Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[DMRick]

I quoted her, because as she said, she's said it in the past. It was personal then, it was personal now.

Actually, the clothes were just a small part of what I was saying but seemed to be what was picked out of the paragraph. Wht I said was,

I think Jon's publicist (not unlike Kate's), is finally jumping aboard the bandwagon. If he was sincere, he would drop the kid he's dating, drop the cigarette's (I seldom see a picture of him without one), change his clothes, for God's sake, and start doing more mature things.

And I see no reason to say that Kate or TLC must be here, or have a plant. People often make remarks like that, thinking it would make someone stop posting what they think. You know, make them feel little, and they'll not post it. I happen to stand by what I said. Just like I think for the kids they both love, Kate should make changes in her life, I think Jon also should. The above would be a begining.

In Tallulabelle's defense, she wasn't the first one to post that. But ITA, this doesn't have to be personal.

Having said that, just because Jon hasn't done anything completely stupid in a few days, we don't have to start picking on his clothes. We wouldn't do that about other people in the media, so I'm not sure why we're doing it here. And as I posted before, some of us don't see anything wrong with the style of clothes he wears -- some of us don't really care what he wears. And no, I don't pick on Kate for her clothing and accessories either.

Going back to ignoring the comments about Jon's clothing...Aiyaiyaiy

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I think Jon's publicist (not unlike Kate's), is finally jumping aboard the bandwagon. If he was sincere, he would drop the kid he's dating, drop the cigarette's (I seldom see a picture of him without one), change his clothes, for God's sake, and start doing more mature things.

I think Jon would seem sincere if he hadn't negotiated with ET to have live streaming video going of Mady & Cara's birthday. Or if he hadn't let the pap stick his video camera in Mady's face after she got into Jon's car. Or if his "epiphany" had come at a less convenient time.

I'd love to know what you would all say about Kate if she ever dared to date someone in their twenty's with the same past. You would prob all shout to have her children taken away from her. But with Jon, hey, it's OK for some of you.

I said a few pages back that if Kate had engaged in some of the things Jon has in the last 8 months....oh boy The lynching party wouldn't be able to string her up fast enough.

Definitely double standards. A poster called another poster "Jon" a few weeks backs while you were on vacation...3-4 people immediately jumped on that poster for personal attacks.


Here is one for all of you that hate seeing the kids without helmets on bikes:

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/25983/2009/10/jon-gosslin-hangs-his-kids#image-load


Jon thinks he is worth $10-$12,000 per hour:

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/21/jon-gosselin-radio-show-appearance-fee/

I don't blame Jon one bit for trying to get the most money he can right now, might as well strike while the iron is hot.

 

[redrosesix]

I quoted her, because as she said, she's said it in the past. It was personal then, it was personal now.

Actually, the clothes were just a small part of what I was saying but seemed to be what was picked out of the paragraph. Wht I said was,

And I see no reason to say that Kate or TLC must be here, or have a plant. People often make remarks like that, thinking it would make someone stop posting what they think. You know, make them feel little, and they'll not post it. I happen to stand by what I said. Just like I think for the kids they both love, Kate should make changes in her life, I think Jon also should. The above would be a begining.

Although I'm quite certain that TLC must be reading here, ITA with you about how such a statement might be made to keep somebody from posting (althouth in this instance I think MAKmom and Tallulabelle were both making a joke)

And I did respond to your earlier post, which I find quite contradictory ie. saying Jon is finally listening to his publicist because he was seen asking a question of Rabbi Shmuley so he must not be sincere (and as I posted, Jon has apparently spoken to the Rabbi on several occasions, but only the Rabbi has made that public) and in the same sentence talking about Jon portraying a poor public image (so he's obviously NOT listening to his publicist).

And I also fail to see how any of us could know the motives behind anything that either Jon or Kate does. We don't actually know these people.

I'll use a completely separate example. If i posted the youtube video of Kate hitting one of the tups in the face (which I'm sure everybody has seen a gazillion times already), some posters would say "See, that shows that she abuses the kids" and others would say "But she didn't mean to hurt him". How could you possibly know, even though the video is right there for everybody to see?

Things like this are completely different from something like Kate's PR person ending the interview when Kate was talking about how her children are struggling with the divorce -- obviously the PR person doesn't want those things talked about, and it is pretty clear why.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I'll use a completely separate example. If i posted the youtube video of Kate hitting one of the tups in the face (which I'm sure everybody has seen a gazillion times already), some posters would say "See, that shows that she abuses the kids" and others would say "But she didn't mean to hurt him". How could you possibly know, even though the video is right there for everybody to see?

I haven't seen it....or heard about it?

Redrose, are you speaking of the time this summer when she was photographed spanking Leah or is this something else?

You say hitting the face so you must be speaking of something different.

 

[kidshop]

Again, Jon can do no wrong. Excuses for everything he does. Do you think Jon does not have a PR person? You see nothing different in Jon's behavior and Kate's? But you admit he's wearing teeny bopper clothes and it's alright, as long as it gets him a trip to France. Having young girls stoking his ego is OK, as long as he treats his fans good, unlike Kate, who brushes them off (of course even when articles mention she stopped with fans, took pictures, etc that is always glossed over, so all of her bad points can be mentioned here..or if it was mentioned, somehow that would be a bad thing LOL).Wow, talk about a double standard LOL! I'd love to know what you would all say about Kate if she ever dared to date someone in their twenty's with the same past. You would prob all shout to have her children taken away from her. But with Jon, hey, it's OK for some of you.
Sorry, it doesn't change my mind. I think we are hearing what he is saying to the rabbi because it makes good press. I would (and have) think the same about Kate.

Same for Kate.

Jon stopped the filming of the kids! It's all that matters. I for one, have never commented on either of their hair, clothes, cosmetic procedures, condition of their body, choice of friends, smoking etc. Not important, don't care. Neither of them dress their age, they are both stupid and fame hungry and are both hurting the kids in different ways.

But Jon stopped filming, and I have no doubt TLC was in control of all 10 of their lives until now.

 

[DMRick]

Same for Kate..

I agree that there are excuses for what Kate does. However, like I said, I'd like to see what this crowd would say if Kate did the types of things Jon does.Jon already does the type of things Kate does (talks for the camera, lies, etc), but I haven't seen Kate out with a teeny bopper (and many others), having her conversations posted when talking to her spiritual leader, etc. If she did, she would be hung here.

I have no doubt that Jon has a PR person. But to me, it seems he just can't control Jon, as well as Kate's control's her's. While some may think Kate dresses too young, she is neat, and grown up looking IMO. If she is dating someone, she's not flaunting it for the kids to see on mag covers.

I agree Jon did a good thing stopping the filming. But a part of me still says..let's see what happens when his money dries up, and if he strikes a deal with TLC about the filming.

 

[redrosesix]

I haven't seen it....or heard about it?

Redrose, are you speaking of the time this summer when she was photographed spanking Leah or is this something else?

You say hitting the face so you must be speaking of something different.

Yes, it's a different video -- looked like it was taken from the show but they missed that little bit in editing.

I don't bookmark things like that, but I'll find it. Then I'll regret posting it, I'm sure.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Yes, it's a different video -- looked like it was taken from the show but they missed that little bit in editing.

I don't bookmark things like that, but I'll find it. Then I'll regret posting it, I'm sure.

I understand, Thank you.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Same for Kate.

Jon stopped the filming of the kids! It's all that matters. I for one, have never commented on either of their hair, clothes, cosmetic procedures, condition of their body, choice of friends, smoking etc. Not important, don't care. Neither of them dress their age, they are both stupid and fame hungry and are both hurting the kids in different ways.

But Jon stopped filming, and I have no doubt TLC was in control of all 10 of their lives until now.

Yes, Jon did stop the filming. I think we can pretty much guarantee that Kate wouldn't have pulled the plug for the kids for a looooong time. She has said repeatedly that she loves what their doing, even when her husband is sitting next to her saying he's unhappy. Kate is Kate. She is driven, selfish and addicted to the limelight. Women like her won't let anything stand in the way of what they want. I know women like that and they're pretty ruthless. Vanity Fair has shown her as she truly is, those quotes are her words and they illustrate how fame hungry, selfish and egotistical she truly is. It's like she's in her own world (she has said this herself too) and people around her don't get her notice. Sheesh, she stepped on a little boy's foot and acted rude. How about her attitude towards the personal shopper? Rude and flippant. These actions corroborate with many other things said by people who've either hosted an event for her, seen her live or come in contact with her. Is everyone wrong? Is it such a stretch to believe she's like this when we see how treats others on the show? Look how she treated that solar panel guy, or the professional organizer. Heck, look how she treated her own husband.

I agree that there are excuses for what Kate does. However, like I said, I'd like to see what this crowd would say if Kate did the types of things Jon does.Jon already does the type of things Kate does (talks for the camera, lies, etc), but I haven't seen Kate out with a teeny bopper (and many others), having her conversations posted when talking to her spiritual leader, etc. If she did, she would be hung here.

I have no doubt that Jon has a PR person. But to me, it seems he just can't control Jon, as well as Kate's control's her's. While some may think Kate dresses too young, she is neat, and grown up looking IMO. If she is dating someone, she's not flaunting it for the kids to see on mag covers.

I agree Jon did a good thing stopping the filming. But a part of me still says..let's see what happens when his money dries up, and if he strikes a deal with TLC about the filming.

I think the problem with Kate is that she doesn't see where she's gone wrong. Her attitude is simply that she's right, doing it all correct and there's nothing to be apologize for. I'll bet $ that she thinks Jon is to blame for everything. Look how she talked about him in the People Mag. article "We Might Split Up". From reading that, it seems that Kate is perfect and Jon has caused all this trouble. What was convienently left out of course, is that she told Jon their marriage was over last Oct. I believe that. Kate is all about Kate, being in the spotlight, maintaining her celebrity status and using her kids to do it. As harsh as that sounds, that is what I think about her. What caring mother would subject her children to reality TV, especially when going through a very public divorce? She could've pulled the plug and given her children time and space to adjust and heal. Nope, the show must go on and I'll bet she is fuming mad at Jon for stopping her gravy train.

Disclaimer: I am NOT saying Jon is without fault either. I think he's immature, lacks discretion and is very easily led. However, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt about the kids since he stopped TLC from filming them. Regardless of what people say, he has stopped the gravy train for himself as well by doing so. Angering the people who write your paycheck is a bad idea unless you have principles that go against continuing there.

 

[madge]

I don't understand what you mean
These aren't things most here think? Do you think only Kate thinks these things? Am I the only one who thinks his PR guy is trying to clean up his act?

nope! you're not the only one! that's exactly what his PR guy should be (and is) doing!

 

[madge]

I have asked that at least twice myself! I keep picturing Kate or a TLC PR person assigned to infiltrate the message boards and blogs.

I suspect TLC has people monitoring the blogs ... and commenting when necessary. I don't think Kate herself does it, though. That was always Jon's department.

 

[madge]

But Jon stopped filming, and I have no doubt TLC was in control of all 10 of their lives until now.

now they're only in control of 9 lives.

 

[talulabelle]

Again, why make it personal?

It doesn't make me "Kate" just because I happen to think Jon looks like a slob. It makes me a person with eyes. Are you saying that you think he looks neat & grown up when he dresses? Do I say..are you Jon, when you make all the nasty remarks you do about Kate (and of course her clothing)? Of course not. I keep forgetting that Jon can do no wrong. That some here see nothing wrong with his behavior. That having a 22 year old girlfriend with a sketchy past is real mature and good for the kids. Well, if my opinion about Jon, that I stated above, makes me Kate (and that's the best you have, for name calling )..then so be it.

Really not being personal. More making fun of Kate and the things she would likely say than of you. It is completely your right and perogative to feel the way you do and also your right to post about it all day long if you want to. I do have to admit that I do picture a PR person feverishly pounding at the computer when I read many of your posts. Not being personal, just, that it is my right to think that too. The reason I do is because you (and maybe 1 other) have been unfailingly fiercley defensive of Kate though the whole thing.Not seeing any flaws or how she might be totally expoiting her kids constantly. Where most of us used to have a side, but now think they are both idiots and just feel sorry for the kids. Again, that is your right. Our differences are what make discussing this stuff fun. We don't have to agree.

If you read back in the thread, you will see where I think Jon can do PLENTY wrong. I am definately not a fan. It just seems that you pick up on my posts that bash Kate - but don't notice my ones against Jon. I am an equal opportunity J&K basher. They are both egocentric greedy selfish expoitive trash. In fact, it is a real shame that they broke up because they truly deserve each other. I may come down on Kate more, but that is because Jon has been such an idiot in the press, that I really don't think there is anything to be said to shed any light on him or his behavior. He is too stupid to hide anything or pretend to be more than he is. He is just Jon. Like he wants to be. He is just being himself like he always wanted to, but Kate wouldn't let him. (He is an idiot, but at least he is not hiding the fact he is an idiot.) Kate on the other hand is much more deceptive, much more of an actress and has an army of people helping her to appear to be more than she is. That is why I enjoy a good article like the VF one that sort of strips all that facade away. I enjoy when duplicitious people are exposed. So, yes, I probably have more to say about Kate, because there is SO much she is hiding. That's all.

 

[talulabelle]

I suspect TLC has people monitoring the blogs ... and commenting when necessary. I don't think Kate herself does it, though. That was always Jon's department.

That's true...she probably isn't pumping her own gas yet either (esp. if she needs a driver for 4 NY city blocks)and we know she doesn't fold her own laundry.

But, if she WAS going to monitor a blog, I would think this one would be one she would know about since she is such a big Disney fan. (Not a fan of ice cream in Disney, but a fan of Disney ) For goodness sake, she has Pooh Bear TATOOED on her ankle. So classy with her heels.

Speaking of the heels, what mother of eight young kids goes anywhere and only packs heels? Why does she think she is impressing us with that little Diva fact?

 

[madge]

And I see no reason to say that Kate or TLC must be here, or have a plant. People often make remarks like that, thinking it would make someone stop posting what they think. You know, make them feel little, and they'll not post it. I happen to stand by what I said. Just like I think for the kids they both love, Kate should make changes in her life, I think Jon also should. The above would be a begining.

in the situation you're describing, to suggest that someone is posting for Kate, Jon, or TLC, in the hopes that it might stop a person from posting their opinion ... I can see that, and agree that it's not really necessary.

with that said, I do think (as I posted earlier) that TLC reads here. And not just here -- I'm sure they read at Musings, GWoP, the Imperfect Parent, and every other major Gosselin outlet. I've been saying that for over a year. TLC probably has people monitoring Facebook & Twitter, too. It's a very common practice these days.

 

[walden]

That is why I enjoy a good article like the VF one that sort of strips all that facade away. I enjoy when duplicitious people are exposed. So, yes, I probably have more to say about Kate, because there is SO much she is hiding. That's all.

ITA. I also liked the Vanity Fair article. I thought it was fairly balanced on exposing both Kate and Jon behaviours for what they are. I did get the impression that the author didn't much enjoy her exposure to Kate in person, but she has not been the only person to say that.

And count me in with the people who are not interested in picking on personal appearance -- for either Jon or Kate. I think that the only time I have mentioned personal appearance was when I said that I quite liked Kate's hairdo!

FWIW, I just gave myself a timeout from this thread because I found myself getting irritated with another poster. I am back in a much better mood after enjoying a beautiful fall day yesterday, stocking up the freezer with a batch of yummy soup and sorting out fall/winter clothing. I highly recommend stepping away for a bit if you (general you) begin to get annoyed.

 

[talulabelle]

ITA. I also liked the Vanity Fair article. I thought it was fairly balanced on exposing both Kate and Jon behaviours for what they are. I did get the impression that the author didn't much enjoy her exposure to Kate in person, but she has not been the only person to say that.

And count me in with the people who are not interested in picking on personal appearance -- for either Jon or Kate. I think that the only time I have mentioned personal appearance was when I said that I quite liked Kate's hairdo!

FWIW, I just gave myself a timeout from this thread because I found myself getting irritated with another poster. I am back in a much better mood after enjoying a beautiful fall day yesterday, stocking up the freezer with a batch of yummy soup and sorting out fall/winter clothing. I highly recommend stepping away for a bit if you (general you) begin to get annoyed.

good advice. I stepped away for weeks, only to come back and immediately be told by someone that they didn't miss my comments when I was gone. But I guess that wasn't personal

 

[madge]

Ratings dropped back under 2 million viewers for last night's episode -- 1.98 million, which is approximately .5 million less than last week.

 

[walden]

I agree Jon did a good thing stopping the filming. But a part of me still says..let's see what happens when his money dries up, and if he strikes a deal with TLC about the filming.

I agree. I do not hold out much hope for Jon holding out on stopping the filming in the face of TLC's lawsuit. He may well sell out the kids.

I'm interested in the results of the PA Labor Dept's investigation findings. For the record, I used to work for State Government (a different state and in Human Services) and I'm not at all surprised that the investigation is still in process. The wheels of government grind exceedingly slowly, but given the lawsuit and Jon's defence I would bet that those state employees have been scrambling this week to get the report out.

Yes, it's a different video -- looked like it was taken from the show but they missed that little bit in editing.

I don't bookmark things like that, but I'll find it. Then I'll regret posting it, I'm sure.

Oh dear. Another slap? On the face?

with that said, I do think (as I posted earlier) that TLC reads here. And not just here -- I'm sure they read at Musings, GWoP, the Imperfect Parent, and every other major Gosselin outlet. I've been saying that for over a year. TLC probably has people monitoring Facebook & Twitter, too. It's a very common practice these days.

Yes. My nephew interned with a major network last year and part of his job was to monitor websites discussing the programming. He was assigned to TWoP, among others.

Ratings dropped back under 2 million viewers for last night's episode -- 1.98 million, which is approximately .5 million less than last week.

I was one of the .5 million this week. I just couldn't stomach it.

 

[madge]

Yes. My nephew interned with a major network last year and part of his job was to monitor websites discussing the programming. He was assigned to TWoP, among others.

I'd love that job!