Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

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Okay I just figured out where kate could get a job. And don't flame me, I'm not being mean to the eldery. But Kate could work in a nursing home with alzheimer patients. They won't remember who she is, so hopefully she won't do any damage to them.
 
I'm sure we are going to get a lot of,
"I'm not discussing this, that, etc."
She was reading pages and turning them over.
We are suppose to believe that she is going to comment
without any coaching, "please" .


exactly. the only way this show would be interesting is if it was a live interview.
 
The TLC PR machine is fighting back today ... there have been 2 youtube videos released on Twitter this afternoon. On one of them, this is the caption:



I predict we will see outtakes in next week's show ... showing how much the children LOVE the crew and the filming.



i'm so confused:dance3::dance3: i thought tlc and kate (and previously jon) have been arguing that these kids NEVER perform-that the cameras are just filming their 'real lives'. does this mean tlc is now conceding the kids are 'performers' and as such will pay whatever fines and penalties the state levies on them for child labor law violations?:rolleyes1:rolleyes1
 
i'm so confused:dance3::dance3: i thought tlc and kate (and previously jon) have been arguing that these kids NEVER perform-that the cameras are just filming their 'real lives'. does this mean tlc is now conceding the kids are 'performers' and as such will pay whatever fines and penalties the state levies on them for child labor law violations?:rolleyes1:rolleyes1

TLC didn't mean perform in that way. The video they posted are of Mady and Cara doing "the Mady and Cara show" for the camera. Here's the actual Twitter post with link to video:

New YouTube video: Jon & Kate Plus 8: Dancing Duo - Jon & Kate Plus 8: Dancing Duo Mady and Cara show the audi... http://ow.ly/15W4Ph
about 4 hours ago from HootSuite
 

Lurker, but jumping in to say that I give Jon the benefit of the doubt that he's sincere in asking for help in getting his life straight and doing the best for his kids. I think both Jon and Kate have let things get to their heads, and I have no favoritism one over the other. I'm thinking Jon is really concerned about the way the kids live. At first he thought it was great to be the famous Gosslin family, but now he's seen the light as far as his kids are concerned. Just my opinion.
 
I have a problem with the youtube video of Mady and Cara. It's like their just goofing off like most kids do when you bring out the family camcorder, but I wouldn't want someone besides me to release the video to the public. I think the girls were just goofing off and maybe they didn't want it to be published, even though they knew the cameramen were there.
 
Lurker, but jumping in to say that I give Jon the benefit of the doubt that he's sincere in asking for help in getting his life straight and doing the best for his kids. I think both Jon and Kate have let things get to their heads, and I have no favoritism one over the other. I'm thinking Jon is really concerned about the way the kids live. At first he thought it was great to be the famous Gosslin family, but now he's seen the light as far as his kids are concerned. Just my opinion.

:flower3: Welcome! Warning, this thread is highly addicting though! :laughing:

I go back and forth about Jon's motives. I *hope* it's genuine but who knows for sure. I do agree that J&K have completely let the fame of the show go straight to their heads. It will be interesting to see what comes of the Oct. 26th court date since it's going to be public! :eek:
I'm sure all the reporters will like this...popcorn::
and Kate will be like this...:mad:
and Jon will be like this...:confused:
and the judge will be like this...:sad2:
and all of us at home will be like this...:sick:
 
The TLC PR machine is fighting back today ... there have been 2 youtube videos released on Twitter this afternoon. On one of them, this is the caption:



I predict we will see outtakes in next week's show ... showing how much the children LOVE the crew and the filming.

You're probably right. I've been watching the wall on the TLC facebook page for J & K -- not surprisingly, they started deleting all of the negative posts (there were sooooo many that I wondered why they had opened it up again) The discussion threads are still largely negative, especially since the VF article.

I think the point that Anderson Cooper and other are trying to make (and you would think that as TV commentators they would have a better grasp of the English lanuage to actually MAKE it) is that it is not so much that it is sad these people are looking to TV to make a living, but that they are putting that desire above all else. The Gosselins desire to be in front of the cameras trumped their childrens privacy and all common sense of decent parents. The Heenes, well his desire trumped staying with in the law, common decency, common sense, suppiorting his family in other ways. Neither of jthese families said "well, lets keep our day jobs and do this as an extra while it lasts" THey threw everything (including thier own families) to the wind to make it happen.

Well said.

Lurker, but jumping in to say that I give Jon the benefit of the doubt that he's sincere in asking for help in getting his life straight and doing the best for his kids. I think both Jon and Kate have let things get to their heads, and I have no favoritism one over the other. I'm thinking Jon is really concerned about the way the kids live. At first he thought it was great to be the famous Gosslin family, but now he's seen the light as far as his kids are concerned. Just my opinion.

I really, really, really hope you're right :goodvibes

And :welcome: to the thread -- if you've been lurking, you already know it's addictive -- we can't stop. :lmao:
 
TLC didn't mean perform in that way. The video they posted are of Mady and Cara doing "the Mady and Cara show" for the camera. Here's the actual Twitter post with link to video:

New YouTube video: Jon & Kate Plus 8: Dancing Duo - Jon & Kate Plus 8: Dancing Duo Mady and Cara show the audi... http://ow.ly/15W4Ph
about 4 hours ago from HootSuite

I should have been clearer. You're right .. that is the tweet, but the caption TLC uses describing the video is what I shared upthread.
 
I have a problem with the youtube video of Mady and Cara. It's like their just goofing off like most kids do when you bring out the family camcorder, but I wouldn't want someone besides me to release the video to the public. I think the girls were just goofing off and maybe they didn't want it to be published, even though they knew the cameramen were there.

they (Jon, Kate, the kids) don't have a say... their life is the show for as long as TLC owns them.
 
:flower3: Welcome! Warning, this thread is highly addicting though! :laughing:

I go back and forth about Jon's motives. I *hope* it's genuine but who knows for sure. I do agree that J&K have completely let the fame of the show go straight to their heads. It will be interesting to see what comes of the Oct. 26th court date since it's going to be public! :eek:
I'm sure all the reporters will like this...popcorn::
and Kate will be like this...:mad:
and Jon will be like this...:confused:
and the judge will be like this...:sad2:
and all of us at home will be like this...:sick:

:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2: That's exactly what I'll feel like, I'm sure.

I go back and forth on Jon's motives too. For example, the other day at the synagogue was not the first time he's talked to Rabbi Shmuley -- and until now he's only talked to him privately, so maybe it wasn't all for show. He could do worse for a role model, especially since the guy has 9 kids.

then there is the money -- Kate admitted she emptied the bank account herself, on the advice of her lawyer. And since then I've been reading that a lot of lawyers advise their clients to do that, especially if they are having any trouble getting permission to take any money out, or can't get information about the balance in the account, etc. And Jon did say he only took about $170,000 out of the account -- just didn't take it out all in one week. I don't know, but that is one of the few things that's occurred since the supposed "epiphany" that made me really question his motives.

For now, I'm just content that the kids are being given a chance to live a relatively normal life, and that is far more important to me than why Jon pulled the plug on the show. I still think they all need to get away from the TV cameras for a while to re-sort their priorities.
 
Not gonna lie...that Maddy and Cara video was really cute. They remind me of the 3rd grade girls at my school :goodvibes:lmao::cool1::thumbsup2
 
TLC_PR just released another YouTube on Twitter.

That's 5 since last night.

Something's up. I can't put my finger on it, but something is up.
 
So for Barbara to comment that the Gosselins should find a different way to support their kids-it's a stupid comment to make, since she and the rest of the women on The View are on tv supporting themselves. The only difference is they are not exploiting their kids on tv.

But that "is" the difference.. The women on the show are working to support their children - their "children" are not working to support them.. So - no - it's not a stupid comment..;)

kate whines that if she 'has to' she'll work at macdonalds to support the kids-sorry but if your only source of income has TRULY been cut off, if your ex has robbed the bank account such that you have less than 10% of what you need to pay THIS month's bills (and while you're hoping a judge will order him to put it back you can't be guaranteed he even has anymore or you'll be seeing it anytime soon) you are'nt zipping across the country to whine about it, and you're not putting all your eggs in one basket hoping to get your 'dream job'- you're actualy putting in applications and interviewing at macdonalds or any other place that in this economy is actualy hiring.

Ya think? :lmao:

I'm sure we are going to get a lot of,
"I'm not discussing this, that, etc."
She was reading pages and turning them over.
We are suppose to believe that she is going to comment
without any coaching, "please" .

For sure.. Anything that does not portray her in the most "positive" light will be off limits..

I agree..

TLC_PR just released another YouTube on Twitter.

That's 5 since last night.

Something's up. I can't put my finger on it, but something is up.

Could it be that TLC is getting nervous? Their "Gosselin" ship is sailing away? My guess would be damage control and desparation..;)
 
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Well, there are worse people he could be getting advice from...slimy NY lawyer Mark Heller who is constantly saying "we're in the court of public opinion", deadbeat Dad Michael Lohan or 22 year old I've barely lived my life and have no experience whatsoever Hailey. So, I'm thinking that perhaps these other men might be just a teeny, tiny bit wiser. The advice they gave is actually good, if Jon follows it of course.
 
then there is the money -- Kate admitted she emptied the bank account herself, on the advice of her lawyer. And since then I've been reading that a lot of lawyers advise their clients to do that, especially if they are having any trouble getting permission to take any money out, or can't get information about the balance in the account, etc. And Jon did say he only took about $170,000 out of the account -- just didn't take it out all in one week. I don't know, but that is one of the few things that's occurred since the supposed "epiphany" that made me really question his motives.

Was this advice given before the arbitrator was assigned? Wouldn't Kate's lawyer be in some kind of trouble for counseling her to take $100,000 and hide it yet he slammed Jon's lawyer for supposedly counseling Jon to take out that money? Remember that petition where Kate's lawyer spent a great deal of time defaming Mark Heller? He insinuated that he (Mark Heller) told Jon to withdraw it. Sheesh, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
 
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Well, there are worse people he could be getting advice from...slimy NY lawyer Mark Heller who is constantly saying "we're in the court of public opinion", deadbeat Dad Michael Lohan or 22 year old I've barely lived my life and have no experience whatsoever Hailey. So, I'm thinking that perhaps these other men might be just a teeny, tiny bit wiser. The advice they gave is actually good, if Jon follows it of course.[/QUOTE]

I guess you didn't see the video -- in it, Rabbi Shmuley says he met Jon through the Hellers (apparently he is a good friend of the family)

It kind of made me wonder if I hadn't been drinking the TLC koolaid. We don't actually know very much about Mark Heller as a lawyer, or as a person, except from tabloid articles and Kate's lawyer. Yes, he represented people we wouldn't be sympathetic too (a lot of very good lawyers do) and he was disbarred for 5 years in NY (I'm still having trouble with that one)

Was this advice given before the arbitrator was assigned? Wouldn't Kate's lawyer be in some kind of trouble for counseling her to take $100,000 and hide it yet he slammed Jon's lawyer for supposedly counseling Jon to take out that money? Remember that petition where Kate's lawyer spent a great deal of time defaming Mark Heller? He insinuated that he (Mark Heller) told Jon to withdraw it. Sheesh, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

When I went back and watched the Today Show interview, it's obvious she is talking about making 2 large withdrawals from the bank account. First, she says she took all of the money out of the bank account on the advice of her lawyer (and some article said this was after the arbitrator had been assigned) but the arbitrator told her to put it back so she did (they didn't actually meet with the arbitrator until July 10th so it was put back after that) and then she talks about the $100,000 she withdrew from the bank account but split with Jon (since, she alleged, Jon had made a large withdrawal from the bank account but since this wasn't part of her petition I'm beginning to doubt that)

Not saying it was ok for Jon to take the money out of the account, but I have been thinking about it (sort of as if somebody I knew was in the same situation) ie. what would their lawyer tell them to do under these circumstances: your ex is in absolute control of all but one bank account, refused the arbitrators orders (twice) to provide an accounting of the finances, has twice removed large amounts from the only account you have access to, and that account is the one where all of your pay is deposited. Yes, I think Heller might tell Jon to make sure he took some money out -- maybe not all of it -- even if he couldn't get Kate to return his calls or emails to give him permission to make a withdrawal ie. if these 2 are not communicating about the kids, I find it hard to believe they've been communicating about the joint account. And I think many lawyers would say the same thing or would advise them to file a petition against their ex, even if it would cause them public embarrassment. But Jon didn't file a petition until after Kate did.

ETA: Kate wasn't being represented by Mark Momjian at that time -- she was only being represented by Cheryl Young, who is a PA lawyer
 
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