Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[redrosesix]

When was he at the fence again? I missed it.

The Fence, The Insider, no difference. Saw a promo he is going to be on
The Insider again Monday night.

Again?

I wonder if their legal department is going to help him out -- they should, they probably got a lot of extra viewers (ok, maybe just me ) from doing those shows with him.

 

[DMRick]

So true, so true. It holds very true a lot of the time. Been there myself and see it everyday. Money equals power so often and power makes one tend to think they are god-like. Since Adam and Eve, it's been an issue. Some things will never change...

I have a lot to say about this, but can't on risk of the thread being closed. What I think I can say is..it's all about individuals. There are many very well off people who still live for the Lord, and many poor who could care less. It's not about the money, but the person. There is no amount of money that could make me and mine stop living for God. I loved Him when I had nothing and loved Him when we were much plusher.


I agree that Jon didn't want to be controlled by TLC (or Kate). I find it hard to believe he stopped the filming for the good of his children. I believe he loves them, but dislikes TLC and Kate more than he loves the kids.

Edited to say..oh, that sounds awful. I don't really mean he dislikes them more than he loves the kids. I really meant (which prob also sounds bad) that I don't think he would have stopped the kids from filming, just because he loves them. Or something like that LOL!

 

[doyouthink]

You know, why can't one of them be an adult and say they will take the girls for a few hours and then the other can have them for a few hours? If it's Jon's custody day, then he should decide the times and if it's Kate's custody day she should decide the times. They annoy me so much!

Maybe I misunderstood but I thought he said they share all Special days like BD's. I think both are there for those days.

 

[doyouthink]

First of all, the "acting" was terrible. Besides that, why is she there shooting a skit when her kids are at home. She said that everything that she does is for her kids, how in the world is being on Leno for them?

Jon said when asked about the skit it was filmed weeks back.

 

[MAKmom]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-stephanie-santoro-says-jon-gosselin-told-her


I always thought there was something fishy about Hailey & Jon.

Why isn't Jon Suing Stephanie if everything she says is a lie about him?

 

[newtodis]

When was he at the fence again? I missed it.

The Fence, The Insider, no difference. Saw a promo he is going to be on
The Insider again Monday night.

When

Again?

I wonder if their legal department is going to help him out -- they should, they probably got a lot of extra viewers (ok, maybe just me ) from doing those shows with him.

A couple of pages back someone posted that Kate had come over on Jon's "day" and Jon was at the fence telling people she was there to "work out" and he was "taking the high road". It must have been at some point over the weekend - I don't recall the date off the top of my head.

 

[newtodis]

In an exclusive interview Nadya Suleman told RadarOnline.com that she thinks Jon Gosselin is quite the catch! “I kind of have a crush on Jon Gosselin,” Octo-Mom exclusively told RadarOnline.com. Going one step further, Nadya even said: “I think he’s hot!”

As for dating, Nadya doesn’t recommend it to Kate. “I don’t think any single mother of any amount of kids should start dating,” Nayda said. Maybe realizing that she didn’t want to be alone forever, she will relent on the no-dating rule “when the kids are older.”

Nadya hasn’t shied away from the public eye, but she did have words of support for Kate in her very messy and public divorce: “I feel for her. I wish everyone would leave her alone. I’m sure she trusts herself and trusts that she’s strong enough to handle it.”

As RadarOnline.com exclusively reported, Jon & Kate Plus 8 will end in November and Nadya, despite rumors of her own reality show, said she thinks that’s the best situation for the Gosselin brood. “I think it’s exploitative,” she opined. “I don’t care what the dollar amount would be, it’s not worth it, it’s not healthy for the kids, it’s not beneficial for them.”

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...o-mom’s-secret-crush-i-think-jon-gosselin-hot

 

[madge]

Why isn't Jon Suing Stephanie if everything she says is a lie about him?

Maybe he's planning on it? Nothing would surprise me, anymore.

Even Octomom has resurfaced to speak about JK8.

 

[redrosesix]

A couple of pages back someone posted that Kate had come over on Jon's "day" and Jon was at the fence telling people she was there to "work out" and he was "taking the high road". It must have been at some point over the weekend - I don't recall the date off the top of my head.

It was Thursday -- it was on ET (and posted by WaltD4Me in post #1530)

In an exclusive interview Nadya Suleman told RadarOnline.com that she thinks Jon Gosselin is quite the catch! “I kind of have a crush on Jon Gosselin,” Octo-Mom exclusively told RadarOnline.com. Going one step further, Nadya even said: “I think he’s hot!”

As for dating, Nadya doesn’t recommend it to Kate. “I don’t think any single mother of any amount of kids should start dating,” Nayda said. Maybe realizing that she didn’t want to be alone forever, she will relent on the no-dating rule “when the kids are older.”

Nadya hasn’t shied away from the public eye, but she did have words of support for Kate in her very messy and public divorce: “I feel for her. I wish everyone would leave her alone. I’m sure she trusts herself and trusts that she’s strong enough to handle it.”

As RadarOnline.com exclusively reported, Jon & Kate Plus 8 will end in November and Nadya, despite rumors of her own reality show, said she thinks that’s the best situation for the Gosselin brood. “I think it’s exploitative,” she opined. “I don’t care what the dollar amount would be, it’s not worth it, it’s not healthy for the kids, it’s not beneficial for them.”

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...o-mom’s-secret-crush-i-think-jon-gosselin-hot

Wow, now I know this situation is upside down when I find myself agreeing with her.

 

[madge]

A couple of pages back someone posted that Kate had come over on Jon's "day" and Jon was at the fence telling people she was there to "work out" and he was "taking the high road". It must have been at some point over the weekend - I don't recall the date off the top of my head.

She was there for a while, too. I thought that whole thing was strange. Why can't she work out at a gym or hotel when it isn't her day? Would Kate allow Jon the same courtesy?

 

[kidshop]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-stephanie-santoro-says-jon-gosselin-told-her


I always thought there was something fishy about Hailey & Jon.

Why isn't Jon Suing Stephanie if everything she says is a lie about him?

So Stephanie is the person you choose to believe, the one who is selling her story to rags? Ok.

What I want to know is who released her from her non-disclosure agreement with TLC?

 

[newtodis]

What I want to know is who released her from her non-disclosure agreement with TLC?

I agree - all these "sources" - especially now that they are coming forward themselves - could face legal action from TLC correct? I would assume they would all have signed a confidentiality agreement if they worked for the family. I could see Hailey not signing one since she's just dating Jon but Stephanie should have right?

 

[redrosesix]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-stephanie-santoro-says-jon-gosselin-told-her


I always thought there was something fishy about Hailey & Jon.

Why isn't Jon Suing Stephanie if everything she says is a lie about him?

The more she talks, the more she says things that just don't make sense. Could be they're giving her some more rope to hang herself with. Until recently, most of the allegations she has been making would be difficult to either prove or disprove in a court of law. And the costs of going after somebody like Stephanie Santoro would far outweigh the amount they could get from her. And if he did that, some people would say he was wasting his kids' money on lawyers fees.

But because of her interviews, we now know that she met Jon and Kate before this summer, and we also know that she contacted Kate while she was working for Jon.

And I agree with Kidshop -- I'd like to know who let her out of her (standard) confidentiality agreement which all of the babysitters must sign? We know she was there on at least one filming day, so she obviously signed it with TLC.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-stephanie-santoro-says-jon-gosselin-told-her


I always thought there was something fishy about Hailey & Jon.

Why isn't Jon Suing Stephanie if everything she says is a lie about him?

I think there may be some truth to what Stephanie says. As far as a lawsuit, it would really be pointless for Jon because it is more "she said, he said".

A couple of pages back someone posted that Kate had come over on Jon's "day" and Jon was at the fence telling people she was there to "work out" and he was "taking the high road". It must have been at some point over the weekend - I don't recall the date off the top of my head.

Taking the high road involves no comment.

So Stephanie is the person you choose to believe, the one who is selling her story to rags? Ok.

What I want to know is who released her from her non-disclosure agreement with TLC?

If Stephanie has never been filmed by TLC would she still need to sign a non-disclosure agreement? They didn't hire her to be a nanny, Jon did and I don't think she has been filmed...or has she?

 

[redrosesix]

If Stephanie has never been filmed by TLC would she still need to sign a non-disclosure agreement? They didn't hire her to be a nanny, Jon did and I don't think she has been filmed...or has she?

Yes, apparently everybody who is there on filming days has to. But likely everybody who is involved with the children also has to, since they can't control what the kids might say about the show.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Yes, apparently everybody who is there on filming days has to. But likely everybody who is involved with the children also has to, since they can't control what the kids might say about the show.

Okay, interesting. Has she disclosed anything about TLC and filming J & K or only details about her time with Jon?

 

[mikki'smom]

To support this statement I offer this piece of evidence....

WE ARE NOW TAKING PARENTING ADVICE FROM OCTOMOM

Goodness...who in their right mind would look to her words for any kind of solace or direction....Let's see...Radaronline who is owned by National Enquirer has reported that Octomom has an opinion about Jon and Kate who are owned by TLC...oh, people, we've got to pull back from all this and try to reacquaint ourselves with better things...

I wonder what I'd find if I Googled .......

 

[redrosesix]

Okay, interesting. Has she disclosed anything about TLC and filming J & K or only details about her time with Jon?

Nope! good point -- makes this even more interesting

 

[walden]

I took the weekend off and had to read 8 pages to catch up! You all have been busy.

I'm skipping the Stephanie Whatsit discussion because I don't find her credible, and the rights and wrongs of Jon versus Kate -- because they both annoy me -- but you all enjoy that debate.

What I am really interested in is the legal aspects. The timing of TLC's breach of contract suit against the Gosselin company (if I am reading correctly), and in Jon's defence (or is it a countersuit?), and in the content. It seems a PR disaster in the making to go after the father of the Gosselin children, and they are going after Kate's assets too in filing against the Gosselin company. They are going after money that could be used to support the Gosselin children.

I think that they stopped filming because in the contract fine print it said that either parent had the right to stop the filming of the kids on demand. When Jon called a halt (regardless of his motives) TLC had to honor that, even though Kate wants to go ahead.

Filing suit now to continue filming the children, after Jon has said he has reservations seems bad judgement. Also interest in the show is waning, why not just go ahead with Kate's project? And why with all this other stuff thrown in? TLC could probably have got Jon on the morals clause way back in Feb/March, and he has been chattering to the media for a while, with or without pay and with or without permission. He is also talking specifically about compensation and hours.

My guess is that it is a preemptive strike and cold-blooded attempt by TLC to threaten and gag Jon, pure and simple, because they knew his attorney has figured out the possible breach of PA Child Labor Law by TLC and the Gosselin parents -- and is going to use it. TLC is running scared and probably for good reason.

Kate consistently, and Jon until recently when TLC lost control of him, have been very careful to say that the kids are not working "just playing". They have also been very vague about the amount of time the children are filmed. Moreover, they have been implying that because the children are not being paid they are not working. Hmmm. There is a word for being forced to work without pay.

Sorry, but I completely disagree with those who think that what TLC is doing is in and respect the same as home videos. Those children are filmed by professionals, given lines "Coming up on Jon and Kate", interviewed by the camera crew, made to sit still for shots . . .

If TLC did not pull special work permits for J and K & 8 I think they are on very thin ice. I also wonder if those permits would have been approved by the Department of Labor given the hours involved.

I also wonder about the extent and length of the Good Housekeeping photo shoot (presumably authorized and approved by TLC). Sounds like work to me from the article above. Did Good Housekeeping have a permit too?

Jon breaking the confidentiality agreement could get TLC into a whole lot of retroactive trouble. In his lawyer's statement it is clear that he is going for the "whistleblower" and "I'm just a naive idiot" protection for Jon. I'm not sure that will be enough.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

FYI: The PA Child Labor Laws. http://www.dli.state.pa.us/landi/CWP/view.asp?a=185&Q=58124

The relevant section pertaining to entertainment.

"Section 7.1. (a) The Department of Labor and Industry is hereby authorized to issue special permits for the employment of minors seven and under eighteen years of age in theatrical productions, musical recitals or concerts, entertainment acts, modeling, radio, television, motion picture making, or in other similar forms or media of entertainment in Pennsylvania where the performance of such minor is not hazardous to his safety or well-being, except as follows:

(1) No such minor shall be permitted to perform after the hour of eleven-thirty in the evening.
(2) No such minor shall be permitted to perform in any place or establishment where alcoholic beverages are sold or dispensed.

(3) No such minor shall be permitted to perform in a boxing, sparring or wrestling match or exhibition or in an acrobatic or other act, performance or exhibition hazardous to his safety or well-being.

(4) No such minor shall appear in more than two performances in any one day nor in more than eight performances in any one week.

(a.1) In addition to any permit authorized by subsection (a), the department shall be authorized to issue special permits for the temporary employment of minors as part of the performing cast in the production of a motion picture, if the department determines that adequate provision has been made for the educational instruction, supervision, health and welfare of the minor. Unless the department determines that more restrictive conditions are necessary, special permits authorized by this subsection shall authorize minors to work as part of the performing cast for forty-four hours in any one week and eight hours in any one day. Time spent on the set or on location while on call shall be excluded from any calculation of the maximum number of hours authorized by this subsection if the department determines that adequate provision has been made for the child's education, supervision and welfare during such intervals. The department may restrict the number of hours which may be spent on call by the minor. The department may waive, in whole or in part, restrictions contained in this act and in any other act, on the time of day or night allowed for engaging in the employment authorized by this subsection, if the department determines that such waiver is necessary to preserve the artistic integrity of the motion picture and further determines that such waiver will not impair the educational instruction, supervision, health and welfare of the minor. Special permits authorized by this subsection shall be valid for a period of time not to exceed six months. An issued permit shall state that no minor, allowed under the permit to be temporarily employed, may be allowed on a set during, or may otherwise watch, the filming or rehearsal for filming of any sexual act. Nothing in this section shall be construed to supersede or repeal in part 18 Pa.C.S. §5903 (relating to obscene and other sexual materials) or 6312 (relating to sexual abuse of children).

((a.1) amended Dec. 21, 1998, P.L. 1908, No. 192)

(a.2) A special permit shall not be required under this section for a minor who participates in a nonprofit, educational, theatrical production if there is informed, written consent of a parent or guardian; if the participation is for a period of no more than fourteen consecutive days; if the participation is not during school hours; and if the minor receives no direct or indirect remuneration. All other existing limitations of this section shall remain applicable.

 

[newtodis]

I've been thinking (a little bit during this busy Monday!) about the balloon boy (I kind of missed all that drama and have only gotten bits and pieces of it) and J&K. Ironically (if I understand the situation), the kid who was supposed to be in the balloon is the one who "spilled the beans" and gave away that it was a hoax on LKL right?? I wonder what the Gosselin kids have spilled that's laying on TLC's cutting room floor....I mean, my kids say some of the darnest things. That would be a cute show if TLC was looking for a "special" to do and get more episodes for the rest of this season.

Alright...time to get back to work!