Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[madge]

My only issue with this statement is that it can be argued that J&K was also heavily edited to make Kate appear to be more witchy than normal and Jon to be more of a whipping boy than he reallly is.

absolutely -- ALL reality shows are edited. Watch and episode of The Bachelor and then listen to the people who were actually on the show .. they've said things about one event that were used to describe something completely different.

One of the things Jon said in his interview that I believe was actually quite accurate is that TLC has enough footage of Jon & Kate to create new shows with completely different outcomes. It's always been about the editing with them.

I think it woud be extremely difficult in either family's case to accurately portray them in any one manner if they didn't already have the disposition for being that way.

I.e. If Kate wasn't controlling--it would be mind numbing to find enough footage to demonstrate this.

If the Duggar family wasn't so loving and happy--it also would be mind numbing to find enough footage to demonstrate this.

There is just too much footage geared towards their perceived personalities that we cannot say that it is just the editing. There is truth to what we see.

The thing with the Duggar family is how much of their faith-based parenting techniques are left out of their TLC show. There has been a lot on controversy about that, ever since they entered the media scene. I don't deny that they're a loving, happy, family. All I'm saying is that a fragment of their lives isn't shown. They also don't show anything related to the Duggars church live, other than prayers. Personally, I'd find an episode about church fascinating, but I don't know whether or not it would make for good TV. LOL.

 

[talulabelle]

I don't know how you would know that. I suspect that the Duggars were smarter (age will do that for you sometimes) and they have more control over what is shown. I'd be willing to bet if I was a betting person, that their contract reads differently from K & J's and they have more say over what was shown. They certainly don't show their blanket training (if it's true that they do it), and they show a lot more of a snippet form on their show.

I didn't say I know that, I said I "think" that. Like Lisa said, if someone is never controlling, it would be really hard to show them be controling with editing. If the Duggars were rarely loving, it would be almost impossible to show them as loving as they are. Perhaps things are left out, but I don't think that TLC is in the business of trying to make the families appear as they are not. I don't know what would be in it for them.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

PD: What do you mean?
JG: She goes on Regis and The View and has no idea of women's rights. She doesn't even vote, which is disgusting. How could she go on a talk show if she doesn't know what's going on in the world? She's fed lines from TLC. I'm not bashing her -- it's wake up and get on board, take this out of the court and let's settle it

He CANNOT be serious.

First off--there are men who don't vote and they've been able to vote from the beginning.

Second off--has Jon voted and why not state that? Hmmm--throwing Kate under the bus is suddenly cool, eh?

I'm sure Kate is well versed in women's rights--she dominated Jon for years.

I'm sensing an undertone of jealousy here--though I can't put my finger on it. Probably having to do with maybe an unspoken opinion that moms should work or something--I don't know.

To us this has nothng to do with anything--but I think there is some underlying issue here.

 

[redrosesix]

My only issue with this statement is that it can be argued that J&K was also heavily edited to make Kate appear to be more witchy than normal and Jon to be more of a whipping boy than he reallly is.

I think it woud be extremely difficult in either family's case to accurately portray them in any one manner if they didn't already have the disposition for being that way.

I.e. If Kate wasn't controlling--it would be mind numbing to find enough footage to demonstrate this.

If the Duggar family wasn't so loving and happy--it also would be mind numbing to find enough footage to demonstrate this.

There is just too much footage geared towards their perceived personalities that we cannot say that it is just the editing. There is truth to what we see.

ITA with all of this -- Jon also said in an interview the other day that TLC edited the show to make Kate appear more mean, but they wouldn't have had those clips if she never had a meltdown. Sure, TLC could have made her appear nicer, but there aren't many stories of her being a cordial and outgoing person from outside the show.

Perhaps the Duggars' background in real estate helped them to get a better contract with TLC -- they would have known a lot more about contracts and had good lawyers lined up before they signed.

Wow--are you sure you watch the show? It's the one time where money didn't speak and they didn't go get some monstrosity.

I don't recall specifics, but it has sentimental value. Jon built it himself for the kids and was insistent on dismantling it and bringing it to the new house when they moved.


And the children enjoy it.

I agree with this. Seeing the playground still there made me happy.

I think if someone had donated a big honking playground, they would have put it right on the driveway!

ITA with this too.

 

[madge]

Agreed.

Further evidence of his motives.

has it been documented anywhere that Jon invited the paps into the yard to take the pictures? I know it's walking and quacking like a duck right now, and I'm inclined to believe that Jon did have them back there shooting pictures .. but now that the post is gone (the same thing happened to a post on Radar telling about the guest on Paula Deen's talk show pilot) and there's no proof .. I don't know. I just like my facts, is all. LOL.

 

[madge]

Was the original video ever put out anywhere? I would be curious to see that!

I think it was. In fact, I believe it was shown in one of the really early shows .. I'll have to track that down later today. I must work on school auction stuff for a while, LOLOL...

 

[talulabelle]

I thought Jim Bob did not have a job. I thought he had some commercial properties that he rents out.

The Duggar children are slaves IMO. The older ones do not look that happy. The second son looks like he is ready to crawl in a hole on the show.

Jim Bob is weird the girls have long curly hair because that's the way he likes it.

1. Having commercial properties you rent out for income is a job. Honestly, my husband is in real estate, and the property does not rent itself. There is alot of paperwork and and legal stuff and maintenance. It is a job. And he earned all the money to buy and aquire the property. He is a self made man. Maybe he doesn't have to work regular hours and has employees that handle some of the work for him and he oversees from home, but he earned that ability and is still able to support his family without the show. It is still his business and his own income. THat counts as a job.

2. The Duggar children are not slaves. Honestly, why are paretns supposed to be slaves to their children and do all the work. When I I ask my sone to mow the grass, and he says, "are you going to pay me?" I say, "yeah, sure, as soon as I receive your rent check" All family members are expected to pitch in. My 5 year old sets the table and feeds the animals. All children should be taught to work. From the beginning of time that is how families survived, by having large families to work the land. What is this crazy new thought that if a parent expects work from a child that that is somehow abusive? That is what is wrong with the kids in america today. They are so entitled. As long as my kids have a roof over their head and food on the table provided by me, you better bet, they will be doing some of the household work. How on earth could you say those children are slaves?

3. What you find weird about Jim Bob, I find Arkansas. They are country, Arkansas people. THeir style is a little different, and their customs are too. Not the way we look or do, but nothing wrong with it either.

 

[MAKmom]

Wow--are you sure you watch the show? It's the one time where money didn't speak and they didn't go get some monstrosity.

I don't recall specifics, but it has sentimental value. Jon built it himself for the kids and was insistent on dismantling it and bringing it to the new house when they moved.


And the children enjoy it.

I thought it was something that Jon's father bought for the twins before he passed away. And that is why it meant so much to them.

I thought his father was somehow part of the memory, but I don't remember. Maybe he helped put it together?

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner Jon's dad bought it for the twins. Jon & his Dad assembled it at the old house. Jon could not bear to leave it & the kids love it.

 

[Mermaid02]

1. Having commercial properties you rent out for income is a job. Honestly, my husband is in real estate, and the property does not rent itself. There is alot of paperwork and and legal stuff and maintenance. It is a job. And he earned all the money to buy and aquire the property. He is a self made man. Maybe he doesn't have to work regular hours and has employees that handle some of the work for him and he oversees from home, but he earned that ability and is still able to support his family without the show. It is still his business and his own income. THat counts as a job.

2. The Duggar children are not slaves. Honestly, why are paretns supposed to be slaves to their children and do all the work. When I I ask my sone to mow the grass, and he says, "are you going to pay me?" I say, "yeah, sure, as soon as I receive your rent check" All family member are expected to pitch it. My 5 year old sets the table and feeds the animals. All children should be taught to work. From the beginning of time that is how families survived, by having large families to work the land. Whati s this crazy new thought htat if a parent expects work from a child that that is somehow abusive? That is what is wrong with the kids in america today. They are so entitled. As long as my kids have a roof overtheir head and food on the table provided by me, you better bet, they will be doing some of the household work. How on earth could you day those children are slaves?

3. What you find weird about Jim Bob, I find Arkansas. They are country, Arkansas people. THeir style is a little different, and their customs are too. Not the way we look or do, but nothing wrong with it either.

I find the "buddy" system they have to be "slavish" Children should NOT have to raise children. Mowing the lawn, doing the dishes, taking out the trash, vacuuming- those are chores. Being responsible for a young sibling is having a free nanny.

 

[Mermaid02]

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner Jon's dad bought it for the twins. Jon & his Dad assembled it at the old house. Jon could not bear to leave it & the kids love it.

I think that's sweet.

 

[Motherofboys]

1. Having commercial properties you rent out for income is a job. Honestly, my husband is in real estate, and the property does not rent itself. There is alot of paperwork and and legal stuff and maintenance. It is a job. And he earned all the money to buy and aquire the property. He is a self made man. Maybe he doesn't have to work regular hours and has employees that handle some of the work for him and he oversees from home, but he earned that ability and is still able to support his family without the show. It is still his business and his own income. THat counts as a job.

2. The Duggar children are not slaves. Honestly, why are paretns supposed to be slaves to their children and do all the work. When I I ask my sone to mow the grass, and he says, "are you going to pay me?" I say, "yeah, sure, as soon as I receive your rent check" All family members are expected to pitch in. My 5 year old sets the table and feeds the animals. All children should be taught to work. From the beginning of time that is how families survived, by having large families to work the land. What is this crazy new thought that if a parent expects work from a child that that is somehow abusive? That is what is wrong with the kids in america today. They are so entitled. As long as my kids have a roof over their head and food on the table provided by me, you better bet, they will be doing some of the household work. How on earth could you say those children are slaves?

3. What you find weird about Jim Bob, I find Arkansas. They are country, Arkansas people. THeir style is a little different, and their customs are too. Not the way we look or do, but nothing wrong with it either.

ITA! Parents sit and wonder why their kids don't pitch in, why they expect to get paid for doing anything, why kids have no work ethic AT ALL and fail as young adults......hello!! Where do you expect them to learn how to work and be part of a team if they don't learn it at home??

We have entire generations of spoiled, entitled people who think they entire world revolves around them, where do you think it comes from??

Give me the Duggars as neighbors any day, you can keep the Gosselins

And it is hard to get 501(c)(3) status so I really doubt that they are somehow cheating on taxes and have had their home declared a tax-exempt church, especially with their very public profile.

 

[talulabelle]

I find the "buddy" system they have to be "slavish" Children should NOT have to raise children. Mowing the lawn, doing the dishes, taking out the trash, vacuuming- those are chores. Being responsible for a young sibling is having a free nanny.

I think the buddy system is ingenious. I sort of do the same here, but way smaller scale. They just have to organize it and name it and actually assign buddies because there are so many more. I rely on my older two to help with my younger two. They are in no way rasing them. I go to the grocery store, and my oldest is expected to babysit (yes for free *gasp* - again, until he starts paying rent, I don't think he needs to be paid to be a part of the family and help out) While I am giving a bath, my oldest might be putting jammies on another before he gets himself ready for bed. when we are leaving the house, I might be packing what we need for the day while the 2 older are tieing the shoes of the 2 younger. It is what makes them close siblings. They care for each other. It also just makes sense. Why shoudl they sit on their duffs and watch me pack for the trip, then tie two sets of shoes, while we can get it all done by doing it together? Michelle has just had to do this on a grander scale. I think it is so inspiring how organized she is.

I don't understand why "doing for the house" is exceptable chores, but "doing for a sibling" is unexceptable. It is all for the family. It is all chores.

 

[redrosesix]

has it been documented anywhere that Jon invited the paps into the yard to take the pictures? I know it's walking and quacking like a duck right now, and I'm inclined to believe that Jon did have them back there shooting pictures .. but now that the post is gone (the same thing happened to a post on Radar telling about the guest on Paula Deen's talk show pilot) and there's no proof .. I don't know. I just like my facts, is all. LOL.

No it hasn't, and I like to stick to the facts too. Funny thing about those pictures in the back yard -- they were all taken from the same angle. The others were not, and they are part of 190 photos shown on the sosugary site.

BTW, if you're looking at those pics -- who is the big guy on Jon's ATV?

1. Having commercial properties you rent out for income is a job. Honestly, my husband is in real estate, and the property does not rent itself. There is alot of paperwork and and legal stuff and maintenance. It is a job. And he earned all the money to buy and aquire the property. He is a self made man. Maybe he doesn't have to work regular hours and has employees that handle some of the work for him and he oversees from home, but he earned that ability and is still able to support his family without the show. It is still his business and his own income. THat counts as a job.

This is what my parents did for extra income, but it eventually became their primary income. I took over my father's job when he passed away, but the company still supports 3 full-time jobs and all of the legal work is done by one of my brothers. They could definitely support their family on that type of work, especially given that they are definitely more frugal than my brother who works as the property manager (he just got back from a trip to Montreal yesterday -- he stays in only 4-star hotels)

 

[MAKmom]

1. Having commercial properties you rent out for income is a job. Honestly, my husband is in real estate, and the property does not rent itself. There is alot of paperwork and and legal stuff and maintenance. It is a job. And he earned all the money to buy and aquire the property. He is a self made man. Maybe he doesn't have to work regular hours and has employees that handle some of the work for him and he oversees from home, but he earned that ability and is still able to support his family without the show. It is still his business and his own income. THat counts as a job.

2. The Duggar children are not slaves. Honestly, why are paretns supposed to be slaves to their children and do all the work. When I I ask my sone to mow the grass, and he says, "are you going to pay me?" I say, "yeah, sure, as soon as I receive your rent check" All family members are expected to pitch in. My 5 year old sets the table and feeds the animals. All children should be taught to work. From the beginning of time that is how families survived, by having large families to work the land. What is this crazy new thought that if a parent expects work from a child that that is somehow abusive? That is what is wrong with the kids in america today. They are so entitled. As long as my kids have a roof over their head and food on the table provided by me, you better bet, they will be doing some of the household work. How on earth could you say those children are slaves?

3. What you find weird about Jim Bob, I find Arkansas. They are country, Arkansas people. THeir style is a little different, and their customs are too. Not the way we look or do, but nothing wrong with it either.

I didn't think he worked anymore since the show started. I think the show is his job now. Jim Bob parents have the investment properties too that how they got into it. I think Jim Bob has storage units he rents out. He used to have a tow truck bussiness.

My kids chip in too. But the Duggar kids do not get a break. They each have a small child they are responsible for on top of thier jobs in the house. That is so wrong on so many levels. Anyone watching can see they do too much for teenagers. The laundry episode was awful... those two poor girls. It never ends for them.

We should start a Duggar thead.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Yes it is creepy that his floozy is handling his schedule.

One of many decisions Jon has made recently that just boggle the mind. The whole birthday fiasco was disgusting.

I saw that the girls did have a slumber party the next night as part of the birthday celebration so that was good.

has it been documented anywhere that Jon invited the paps into the yard to take the pictures? I know it's walking and quacking like a duck right now, and I'm inclined to believe that Jon did have them back there shooting pictures .. but now that the post is gone (the same thing happened to a post on Radar telling about the guest on Paula Deen's talk show pilot) and there's no proof .. I don't know. I just like my facts, is all. LOL.

Jon's recent actions are all the proof I need. He can't get enough of the paps and constantly gives them mini interviews.


Good morning all!

I had to take a break from this thread over the weekend, I was on major Gosselin overload. This past week with Jon being on a different show every night and the live feed birthday garbage just disgusted me so. Coupled with all the divorce paper work that we should know nothing about... Jon & Kate both need a time out of epic proportions. I hope above all the judge puts forth a gag order.

Welcome back, Doris we missed you!

 

[talulabelle]

ITA! Parents sit and wonder why their kids don't pitch in, why they expect to get paid for doing anything, why kids have no work ethic AT ALL and fail as young adults......hello!! Where do you expect them to learn how to work and be part of a team if they don't learn it at home??

We have entire generations of spoiled, entitled people who think they entire world revolves around them, where do you think it comes from??

Give me the Duggars as neighbors any day, you can keep the Gosselins

And it is hard to get 501(c)(3) status so I really doubt that they are somehow cheating on taxes and have had their home declared a tax-exempt church, especially with their very public profile.

I have never seen it any place official that the Duggars actually have 501 status. I have only seen it rumored here. But, if it is true - again that is something that you need to be from where they are to understand. I know a wealthy family from here that has a summer beach house at the ocean. They are very religious and there is no church in the beach community that is non-deonominational like the one they are active in here. So they made their beach house a church and serve several families in the community while they vacation at the beach for the summer. They open their home on Sundays for a worship service and anyone from their church at home is welcome to worship at their house while at the beach. I have no idea if they receive taxexempt status for it....but I can see where it may be something in that area of Arkansas that it may be a need in some communities...

I don't know, I just don't see the Duggars as types that are out to "work the system" like the Gosselins, but are actually out to "serve the Lord". So if they have 501 status, I would think it is for a reason, that I might not understand as I don't live there or know the community well enough to comment.

 

[MM27]

The Duggars are on The View right now. Barbara Walters just asked Jim Bob how they keep food on the table and he said, I've been in the real estate business for 25 years.

 

[Motherofboys]

I have never seen it any place official that the Duggars actually have 501 status. I have only seen it rumored here. But, if it is true - again that is something that you need to be from where they are to understand. I know a wealthy family from here that has a summer beach house at the ocean. They are very religious and there is no church in the beach community that is non-deonominational like the one they are active in here. So they made their beach house a church and serve several families in the community while they vacation at the beach for the summer. They open their home on Sundays for a worship service and anyone from their church at home is welcome to worship at their house while at the beach. I have no idea if they receive taxexempt status for it....but I can see where it may be something in that area of Arkansas that it may be a need in some communities...

I don't know, I just don't see the Duggars as types that are out to "work the system" like the Gosselins, but are actually out to "serve the Lord". So if they have 501 status, I would think it is for a reason, that I might not understand as I don't live there or know the community well enough to comment.

I have only seen it mentioned here too. I don't feel like the Duggars are the type to work the system either. Anyone that wanted hard facts could check out guidestar.org to see if they have a listing on their as a public charity. It might be hard to find though if you don't know the name of the church.

I just wanted to point out that it takes quite a bit of work and some $$ to file for and get tax-exempt status, and there is a lot of work that goes into maintaining it correctly too.

 

[WaltD4Me]

The Duggars are on The View right now. Barbara Walters just asked Jim Bob how they keep food on the table and he said, I've been in the real estate business for 25 years.

The Duggars are on The View? Really? All of them? I bet Whoopi is getting a kick out of that.

 

[DMRick]

I have never in my life seen so many melt downs and temper tantrums. And the little kids are getting just as bad. They were absolute brats to Kate's BFF son the other night. If I saw my kids acting like that to another kid. I would have a come to Jesus meeting with them. Did any of you catch that look that Hannah gave him. Man if looks could kill that boy would be dead. Satan is that you?

And that is just what TLC wanted you to see. That's how this show is meant to be shown.
As for teh Duggars, I have no idea if, when the camera's are off, there are temper tantrums. I know before they were a series, they supported the 'spare the rod and spoil th echild' theory. They never mention that on the regular shows. I think a smooth loving family is where TLC wants their show to go. And maybe it is..but as I said, I'd be willing to bet, what we see is not what it is all the time.

My mom grew up one of 23..for her and many of her siblings, working so hard was not fun. They each were responsible for other's as well...and much of the cleaning and cooking and working outside. She was one of the youngest and still her memories were not of going out and playing in the yard.