Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[DMRick]

It's real. The writer must have traveled with Kate that day she was in New York for Regis and again recently. We saw all the pictures of the events

How come nothing about Kate is ever considered true but the most bizzare thing about Jon is readily accepted?

I don't think that article is complimentary to either one of them. I don't see anything in the article that would make me think it wasn't true, about both of them either. It's pretty much what we have been reading as it happened...other than them not agreeing on when the marriage was over. But we knew they didn't agree.

Although..was this date correct?

When they renewed their vows, in Hawaii, in the spring of 2008, she says, it was the first time they were “paparazzi’d.”

 

[madge]

Although..was this date correct?

nope. vow renewal was in August. not quite spring. LOL

 

[DMRick]

I'm back to being confused again. I guess I have to trudge back several pages and find the actual paper work on the lawsuit. Are they suing Jon both for breach of contract (for himself, going on other shows, talking about things he shouldn't), and because he is not allowing the kids to film?

Whether or not filming the show was detrimental to the children will be a large part of this lawsuit. I'm sure that TLC anticipated that Jon would use this as his defense and wrote their petition accordingly ie. he tried to hold them to their word that they would stop taping if either parent felt it was detrimental to no avail, so he had no choice but to seek a remedy through public lobbying.

So in the first part of this lawsuit, TLC will essentially be asking the jury to find that continuing the show would be of no harm to the children. Thus Jon's actions are solely a result of greed.

 

[Buckalew11]

Jon looks like he's using the same tanning salon as Kate.

 

[redrosesix]

Wow - there were hardly any posts all day, and then BLAM! It took me forever to get caught up...

OK. Peace. We are, were, talking at cross purposes, and I went back and edited my last post for clarification, probably as you were writing this. Read on, past the quote here for more clarification.



The bolded bit is exactly correct. I don't understand why TLC would file this particular suit at this particular time. They are throwing the book at Jon (and as they are suing Jon and Kate the Company (by my reading) it just seems nutty.

And I stand my my speculation that there is something really wrong with the contract and the filming that violates PA Child Labor Laws and provoked the suit. But contract lawyers will decide that.

And yes, I'm sure you have all discussed this many times, but there is probably going to be a whole lot of info coming out that re-opens the discussions.

IMO, there are 2 reasons TLC may have filed this lawsuit in order to make sure Kate + 8 happens. First, if Jon isn't feeling confident his defense will be successful, they can offer to drop the lawsuit in exchange for his cooperation (probably with reduced filming schedule, guarantee to remove exclusivity clause in year, more pay, etc).

Or this may be an attempt to simply discredit Jon -- they disclosed a lot of information in this lawsuit. In addition to using his compliance with the exclusivity clause against him ie. stating that he didn't complain about the show in public in all those years of doing it (let's face it, we don't know whether Jon OR Kate OR the kids were happy about everything that has happened with the show, filming, etc -- they would be in breach of contract if they said otherwise) they took this opportunity to remind the public of all the bad things we should remember about Jon, some of which are not valid legal claims eg. being seen drinking -- how about Jon's 30th birthday?

I have to say......I believe every word of that article. If any of it was made up TLC would be suing. I am surprised TLC let a reporter get that close, but I don't think any of it is made up.

It may be all true, but unfortunately there may be more that they either didn't know about or couldn't find a corroborating source for.

Vanity Fair is a more reputable magazine IMO. I hardly think that the author of that article, writing for Vanity Fair, would get away with telling flat out lies and fabrications of what Kate said. Just my honest opinion, but this article seems to ring true. And for the record, it's not terribly favorable towards Jon either. His behavior for the last few months certainly isn't going to win him Father of the Year.

This reporter obviously spent time with Kate and Steve. There are direct quotes. That's the part that got me, Kate's words sounding so cold and arrogant. The FAO shopping trip was eye-opening as was her self-inflated comments about co-hosting the view. She said it's so easy for her and laughs at people that say it must be so hard to do tv. I think TLC has done an excellent job of puffing her up so much that I'll be surprised if her head gets through the door. Honestly, what does she have to offer the media? Oh, besides her 8 beautiful children.

The bolded part got to me too -- I didn't think she did that good of a job at all. I was actually really disappointed because I had hoped she could find a career that didn't require her kids to work.

There weren't many other posters who thought she performed well either. And she had 3 chances at it.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

The bolded part got to me too -- I didn't think she did that good of a job at all. I was actually really disappointed because I had hoped she could find a career that didn't require her kids to work.

There weren't many other posters who thought she performed well either. And she had 3 chances at it.

Nope, she was pretty flat on The View. And somehow managed to make things all about her again. I'm sure that she's been so used to doing that on J&K+8 that she assumed it would work on The View. It didn't IMO. And her dream is to have her own talk show.

Is there any reason Kate can't use some of the $ they've made these last 5 seasons to begin her nursing training again? There are other options besides TV and the limelight, right? Sure, she may not be happy about the change but how many moms have had to make sacrifices for their children? I think her kids deserve that, goodness knows they've worked enough already. And Jon needs to man up as well and get a job that will provide for his family. Preferrably not one where there is live-streaming of his kids.

 

[redrosesix]

I'm back to being confused again. I guess I have to trudge back several pages and find the actual paper work on the lawsuit. Are they suing Jon both for breach of contract (for himself, going on other shows, talking about things he shouldn't), and because he is not allowing the kids to film?

They're suing him for breach of contract, specifically breaching the exclusivity clause (going on other shows without prior written permission), failure to show up for filming, and breaching the confidentiality clause (talking about the kids not wanting to do the show, talking about being separated since October, talking about Kate, talking about contract negotiations and pay per show).

In addition to asking for compensation, they are also asking the courts to direct Jon not to talk about the show, including his own family members, for the remainder of the term of the contract ie. he can't actually go on TV and say that filming at this time is detrimental to his children. He can ask them to stop, but he can't talk about it.

But Jon's defense will be that he didn't have a choice because TLC did not heed his demands to stop filming, on top of his challenges to the validity of the contract. And by invoking the constitutional arguments, he'll be trying to say he has a right to speak out against TLC, regardless of what the contract says, in order to protect his children. He's going to first have to prove that TLC refused to acknowledge his demands, and second, that his concerns were well-founded ie. he wasn't just yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theatre -- the whistle blowers defense that Walden alluded to.

 

[WaltD4Me]

Was Mady MIA in this episode again? I don't remember seeing her.

I noticed that too. No Mady only Cara outside playing with the rocket.

I have to say I enjoyed watching the little girls with the butterflies, birds and BUGS, they were brave holding all those creepy crawlies. I don't think I would have been as bad as Kate, but I wouldn't have held any of those things.

 

[DMRick]

Thank you. Now this, I understood

They're suing him for breach of contract, specifically breaching the exclusivity clause (going on other shows without prior written permission), failure to show up for filming, and breaching the confidentiality clause (talking about the kids not wanting to do the show, talking about being separated since October, talking about Kate, talking about contract negotiations and pay per show).

In addition to asking for compensation, they are also asking the courts to direct Jon not to talk about the show, including his own family members, for the remainder of the term of the contract ie. he can't actually go on TV and say that filming at this time is detrimental to his children. He can ask them to stop, but he can't talk about it.

But Jon's defense will be that he didn't have a choice because TLC did not heed his demands to stop filming, on top of his challenges to the validity of the contract. And by invoking the constitutional arguments, he'll be trying to say he has a right to speak out against TLC, regardless of what the contract says, in order to protect his children. He's going to first have to prove that TLC refused to acknowledge his demands, and second, that his concerns were well-founded ie. he wasn't just yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theatre -- the whistle blowers defense that Walden alluded to.

 

[barkley]

i thought the whole thing about kate wanting to go to nobu for sushi was interesting-a couple of weeks ago on joy behr's new show they were discussing weather kate wanted to continue to do the show in order to support the kids or if something else was driving it. sandra bernhardt made a comment about how it could be beneficial for supporting the kids but then she added a short snarky comment about how kate might also be concerned about losing her 'nobu'. joy asked what she was talking about and sandra said something about kate demanding and getting nobu from shows/interviewers. joy asked if she knew this as a fact to which sandra replied that she had it from several very reliable sources that one of kate's standard demands was being provided nobu.


this weekend i caught a re-run of joy's show (i think it might have been from last friday) and again they talked about the j&k, only this time it was more about jon refusing to let the kids be filmed. joy asked the panel about weather they thought it was out of vindictiveness towards kate/tlc or genuine concern, and what did they think about tlc saying the show was now on hiatus. danny bonaducci scared1: i know but he's done a reality show so it was interesting to hear his comments) said he totaly thought it was out of vindictiveness AND THEN ADDED that when he was doing 'breaking bonaducci', and was royal p.o.'d at his wife he did the same thing (and apparantly used something to limit/exclude his being filmed at the same time as his wife). he said that the production company for that show started putting stuff out about how they were tweeking the final episodes 'out of courtesy' for the family and what they were going through-and talked to him/his now ex about doing a hiatus to give them time to work through their issues and try to repair the marriage but it did'nt happen because as he put it "i will have been dead 5 years before anyone will get me on camera with that woman again".

so it seems like there might be some kind of standard language written into these contracts about one parent being able to pull the plug on the kids and potentialy limiting their own exposure. i'm guessing if there is, then the production company that did 'breaking bonaducci' knew they had a guy who was not stupid about his contractual rights so they did'nt push the issue knowing they could continue to market their product absent the kids, whereas tlc seems to be well aware that any kind of kate project absent the kids is'nt going to generate the kind of money they've previously made and have tried to use public embarrassment and strong arm tactics with jon (because let's be real folks-if there was any way in hell jon did'nt have legal standing to keep those kids from being filmed tlc would just continue on it's merry way and let jon force them to stop).

 

[redrosesix]

and Jon? Shut up.

http://www.theinsider.com/news/2954478_Jon_Gosselin_on_the_Balloon_Boy

Oh, yes, shut up Jon. The more he tries to look smart, the stupider he looks.

Note to Jon -- stop at "I don't know all the facts about it"

I don't think that article is complimentary to either one of them. I don't see anything in the article that would make me think it wasn't true, about both of them either. It's pretty much what we have been reading as it happened...other than them not agreeing on when the marriage was over. But we knew they didn't agree.

Although..was this date correct?

Crazy that they would get that wrong -- not just the reporter's fault, but all of the editors and copy-writers too.

Not complimentary at all to either Kate or TLC. And I caught myself wondering what Kate and TLC thought would be the result of this, knowing when they made the commitment to do this and have it published at this time. By Sept. I think they knew they were going with the Kate + 8 show, but unfortunately the reporting stops right when it was getting interesting ie. Jon's cease and desist order, his interview on LKL.

And I wonder how Jon feels about the article, since he was the only one who wasn't directly involved with it.

Thank you. Now this, I understood

Ok, then. Now to make it just a bit more confusing. According to TLC's petition, they have the right to petition for a restraining order to keep Jon from talking ie. they could have done that immediately after the LKL interview -- but they didn't. It makes me think they don't have as strong a case as it sounds eg. I don't think most courts are going to stop you from talking about your children no matter what a contract says. And then there's the big issue of them allowing Kate to talk about Jon -- the courts would wonder why they aren't treating both parties to the contract equally.

 

[redrosesix]

i thought the whole thing about kate wanting to go to nobu for sushi was interesting-a couple of weeks ago on joy behr's new show they were discussing weather kate wanted to continue to do the show in order to support the kids or if something else was driving it. sandra bernhardt made a comment about how it could be beneficial for supporting the kids but then she added a short snarky comment about how kate might also be concerned about losing her 'nobu'. joy asked what she was talking about and sandra said something about kate demanding and getting nobu from shows/interviewers. joy asked if she knew this as a fact to which sandra replied that she had it from several very reliable sources that one of kate's standard demands was being provided nobu.


this weekend i caught a re-run of joy's show (i think it might have been from last friday) and again they talked about the j&k, only this time it was more about jon refusing to let the kids be filmed. joy asked the panel about weather they thought it was out of vindictiveness towards kate/tlc or genuine concern, and what did they think about tlc saying the show was now on hiatus. danny bonaducci scared1: i know but he's done a reality show so it was interesting to hear his comments) said he totaly thought it was out of vindictiveness AND THEN ADDED that when he was doing 'breaking bonaducci', and was royal p.o.'d at his wife he did the same thing (and apparantly used something to limit/exclude his being filmed at the same time as his wife). he said that the production company for that show started putting stuff out about how they were tweeking the final episodes 'out of courtesy' for the family and what they were going through-and talked to him/his now ex about doing a hiatus to give them time to work through their issues and try to repair the marriage but it did'nt happen because as he put it "i will have been dead 5 years before anyone will get me on camera with that woman again".

so it seems like there might be some kind of standard language written into these contracts about one parent being able to pull the plug on the kids and potentialy limiting their own exposure. i'm guessing if there is, then the production company that did 'breaking bonaducci' knew they had a guy who was not stupid about his contractual rights so they did'nt push the issue knowing they could continue to market their product absent the kids, whereas tlc seems to be well aware that any kind of kate project absent the kids is'nt going to generate the kind of money they've previously made and have tried to use public embarrassment and strong arm tactics with jon (because let's be real folks-if there was any way in hell jon did'nt have legal standing to keep those kids from being filmed tlc would just continue on it's merry way and let jon force them to stop).

I was actually wondering what he would say about this whole thing -- since he was also working full time when he was a kid. Why did he say it was out of vindictiveness?

 

[barkley]

I was actually wondering what he would say about this whole thing -- since he was also working full time when he was a kid. Why did he say it was out of vindictiveness?

he did'nt go into allot of detail but he did say that when people are going through very nasty separations/divorces they can lash out and do what they know will most hurt the other spouse. he said that was exactly why he did the same thing on his previous show (cut off filming of the kids/restricted his scences with his wife)-said the production company gave him the same song and dance about being concerned about the family, segueing into a hiatus if he worked with them (backed off the filming restrictions) but he knew it was'nt concern on their part it was their way of continuing the show. he said he was mad at his wife, knew he could hurt her by doing it and did it (i watched the show, and despite him being a train wreck all on his own-they definatly glossed over her shortcomings and seemed to be making her evolve into more a celeb so i tend to think maybe as the marriage was disintegrating danny was saavy enough about the buisness to realize that she might be buying into the ego pumping on the part of the production company and saw this are her entry into bigger and better things-so he may have figured that taking away the means for the show to continue or for her to do any kind of sequal which would likely have been ala kate-single mom with kids-he'd sabatoge it).

danny also said he did'nt think this was leading to the end of the gosselin's show/celebrity-he thought it was already over before this all came down. he talked about how their ratings until all this crap came out were falling and would'nt have been surpised to have seen the show cancelled following the current season. says now the only interest is because of the scandle/divorce and that tlc calling it a "hiatus" is just their way of doing what was probably already in the works (cancellation wise).

someone else echo'd the same thing (don't remember if it was joy's show or another) and they added that they thought it sad and disgusting the way tlc was behaving-because looking at the small amount they are trying to collect from jon, and how they are taking sides with kate in such a public manner it's obviously just a ploy to further escalate jon and kate's fighting (they compared jon to a dog being poked with a stick-going to attack back, and with kate her seeing tlc not as a company but her bff, who knows she's been wronged, allways been the good/right one, and now 'evil jon' is not only attacking her but her bff too, so unless he "makes up" with both of them she won't be nice either) to garner more attention for the re-runs of "the happier times" with the gosselins that are sure to start running over and over the minute the last new episode ends.

 

[madge]

this week's Z on TV:
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2009/10/jon_kate_gosselin_tlc_kate_ans.html#more

 

[newtodis]

OT
I did BUT my DVR kicked out before the show ended. So did the dad kill the mom....? They were just going to trial but I was not totally convinced it was the dad and then boom the show is over...........

I don't know that it was your dvr. The way I saw the end is kind of like a "to be continued". IIRC, they said something about going back to court and the screen went black for a second then the "ad" for the next show came on. It seemed like he'd killed the mom since she didn't want to be on tv and he did but the ending was weird.

I want to read it further, but at first read .. I think it's very good!

Yeah it's something you need to read a couple of times I think.

the best part of the article was the quotes...someone with a timeline wouldn't have that.

Agreed! I think the quotes said a lot about Kate and TLC personally.

it's Vanity Fair. I would think that is as close to credible as it comes for an entertainment magazine. I just figured the reporter traveled with her those days and got the quotes that way. It seemed like a first hand account.

There was a picture of Kate in FAO with her personal shopper, Steve and the reporter so there's proof (or a REALLY weird coinsidence) that they were all together for at least a little while.

It's real. The writer must have traveled with Kate that day she was in New York for Regis and again recently. We saw all the pictures of the events

How come nothing about Kate is ever considered true but the most bizzare thing about Jon is readily accepted?

I knew it!

Yes I recall seeing the pictures from FAO awhile back.

I think that's a pretty broad statement - I think there are some who are "for" Jon, some who are "for" Kate and some who are middle of the road. We're all for Team Kids for sure though!

Knew what??

The only thing that I believe 100% is what I hear when their lips are moving..

Heck you can't always believe that either! Many "statements" have been changed, retracted or just "forgotten" and replaced with a new "statement"...

I have to say......I believe every word of that article. If any of it was made up TLC would be suing. I am surprised TLC let a reporter get that close, but I don't think any of it is made up.

My understanding is there were two different TLC people there (maybe one each day??) so they had to know what Kate was saying and "approve" of it...

I think we knew most of it, in that we are smart enough to put all the pieces together. I don't think some of those things had been confirmed.

I agree! There are still a lot of "unknowns" but I have a strange feeling that we're going to know all too much by Christmas time - if we have to wait that long.

Sorry, Madge - but you have been pretty much "right on" - so don't try to weasel your way out of it now...

No pressure....

Totally agree!

Wow - there were hardly any posts all day, and then BLAM! It took me forever to get caught up...

No kidding! You guys were busy last night!

 

[madge]

i thought the whole thing about kate wanting to go to nobu for sushi was interesting-a couple of weeks ago on joy behr's new show they were discussing weather kate wanted to continue to do the show in order to support the kids or if something else was driving it. sandra bernhardt made a comment about how it could be beneficial for supporting the kids but then she added a short snarky comment about how kate might also be concerned about losing her 'nobu'. joy asked what she was talking about and sandra said something about kate demanding and getting nobu from shows/interviewers. joy asked if she knew this as a fact to which sandra replied that she had it from several very reliable sources that one of kate's standard demands was being provided nobu.

Are you saying Kate has a contract rider? That makes me laugh, for some reason. I shouldn't be surprised ... when she was here, she requested room temperature Fiji water. No nobu in these parts, though.

 

[OhMari]

it was filmed months ago, around the time that Kate took the boys to the dude ranch. can't remember if it was before or after that, though.

Wasn't Jon spotted in Florida in April? I have a funny feeling Kate and the girls taped this episode in April. If this was August, they would of melted in the hot Florida sun. You can barely go outside and do any kind of activity during the day in August. I think TLC and Kate lied again, but I guess whatever.

Are you saying Kate has a contract rider? That makes me laugh, for some reason. I shouldn't be surprised ... when she was here, she requested room temperature Fiji water. No nobu in these parts, though.

No idea what nobu is.

 

[madge]

Wasn't Jon spotted in Florida in April? I have a funny feeling Kate and the girls taped this episode in April. If this was August, they would of melted in the hot Florida sun. You can barely go outside and do any kind of activity during the day in August. I think TLC and Kate lied again, but I guess whatever.

he was there in March -- a DISer saw him at a local bakery with a crew. He presented an award at a dinner or something like that?

this was in August:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/exclusive-kate-gosselin-snubs-fans

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/entertainment/television/087509_kate_Gosselin_snaps

She was in Florida with only the little girls.

No idea what nobu is.

it's a Japanese restaurant (I had to Google, LOLOL)
http://www.noburestaurants.com/newyork/index.html#44

 

[redrosesix]

this week's Z on TV:
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2009/10/jon_kate_gosselin_tlc_kate_ans.html#more

Interesting how all of the blogs are becoming more insightful as time wears on -- Z, included, they're not just getting caught up in the he said/she said battle between J & K. I love how he gave some kudos to his commenters -- it really reads more like a conversation directly with them. But then again, he's one of those bloggers who replies to the comments.

And we already knew that Kate's lawyer had contacted him in the past week ie. the update on last week's blog, but interesting to know that TLC has also contacted him -- I wonder what they talked about...I hope somebody asks him...

 

[barkley]

i need to ask those that still watch the show-and esp. last nites. was there some kind of 'special look' or sneak peak at the new season of table for 12 during last nites episode?

reason i ask is i dvr'd little people big world, and during both episodes there was a voice over a couple of times that said something like 'stay tuned for a special look at table for 12". it definatly gave the impression it would be during a commercial break or right at the end of lpbw. but it was'nt.

now tlc STILL has'nt started airing table for 12's new season (it was supposed in september), and has'nt named a debut date. i'm wondering-since most of even the anti reality shows with kids sites seem to see this family as much more favorable and 'real', and many of those who in the past watched both shows conceded that there did'nt seem to be the disfunction/totaly for production value set up outings going on with this family-do you think tlc might hold off on releasing the new season and just use it as kind of a 'filler' to drag fans into watching or at LEAST dvr'ing the re-runs of j&k (cuz it still feeds into ratings which feeds into sponsor dollars)?