Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[redrosesix]

I don't understand the above. Didn't the stopping of the filming of the kids come about because Jon said, release me to let me do other things, or I'll not let you film the kids (or somethign like that)? Did the earlier lawyer try to get TLC to stop filming the kids (without Jon wanting something out of it, if he did) or do you mean the earlier lawyer tried to get Jon out of filming? Did Jon want to get out of filming (and out of being paid), or did Jon want to be free to also persue other things, if that was the case?

I think a soap opera is easier to follow, even not having watched one in years LOL!

It had something to do with the letter they had received from TLC stating that if either Jon or Kate felt that filming was detrimental at that time, they could stop it because of the divorce (which I'm guessing is different from any wording in their contract). But I don't know whether he also asked to be let out of his exclusive contract too. Based on what a TLC rep said about a month ago, stopping the filming would have meant a stop in the pay, so I guess that would have been assumed.

I never had any information on when this happened, but there were at least 2 links that discussed it (other than Jon saying so) -- one discussed Charles Meyer representing Jon and I think the other was an interview with Rabbi Shmuley, but it has been no secret since the time he did the LKL interview -- but it had to have been some time before Charles Meyer stopped representing Jon and that was some time in the summer.

what is the (or is there a?) difference between accepting cash/chips in Vegas or cash only for pictures at a speaking engagement like Jon and Kate did in the past? It should all be reported, right?

PS. I'm not trying to cast Kate in a bad light with this question, because it's a good question about what happens after she files -- I am just curious if there's a tax difference. Especially, if there is no difference, then Jon may (for as stupid as this seems/is) not have realized the implications OR he figures he got away with accepting cash for something once, it would be ok to do it again.

Yeah, I'd love to see how the "love offerings" are dealt with on a tax return -- not saying they never claimed them, just wondering what they would be called.

Why? Just because you accept cash doesn't mean that you're not claiming the money as income. Waitresses do it all of the time.

Yes, ITA, we only have Michael Lohan's word for it that Jon ever accepted cash or chips, and as far as I know you guys down there in the US haven't filed your 2009 tax returns yet -- there's no reason to believe IMO that Jon is trying to defraud the government.

It's stuff like this that is making me need to take a break. I'm sure this happens with Kate too although I don't notice it as much (which is why in my mind I've nicknamed her "teflon Kate") but I'm getting really tired of the posters who day in/day out are searching for reasons to declare Jon a terrible human being. Yes, I get that you don't like him, but honestly some of the stuff that is posted here -- new posters and lurkers must come away with the impression that this guy needs to spend the rest of his life in prison. And I just hate to be in the position to have to defend him against things that he actually hasn't done yet (or may never do) -- I don't want to defend him, period. People believe what they want to believe, so I'm just tired of arguing about these kinds of things.

It's been great hanging out with you all -- I'll check in again if something big comes out, or I get over this feeling, or you get to Thread 8 -- whichever happens first.

 

[kidshop]

I don't understand the above. Didn't the stopping of the filming of the kids come about because Jon said, release me to let me do other things, or I'll not let you film the kids (or somethign like that)? Did the earlier lawyer try to get TLC to stop filming the kids (without Jon wanting something out of it, if he did) or do you mean the earlier lawyer tried to get Jon out of filming? Did Jon want to get out of filming (and out of being paid), or did Jon want to be free to also persue other things, if that was the case?

I think a soap opera is easier to follow, even not having watched one in years LOL!

That is what TLC claimed in their filing, that Jon (and Heller) said to release him or he would pull the kids. But I don't necessarily believe that as the 100% truth. Maybe it will be proven, maybe not, but I don't take what TLC claims as face value. Jon said filming was harming the kids and TLC had too much control over all of them. He refused to film before TLC changed the name of the show, and he was NOT fired by TLC as was claimed. It is a soap opera, and everyone has motive to lie! however Jon has not given permission to resume filming and that is good.

 

[kidshop]

Can somebody remind me why Michael Lohan is famous, aside from his daughter?

How does Lohan do deals for anybody with Nutrisystem? I can't believe in a million years nutrisystem would deal with either Lohan or Jon or even talk to them on the phone!

 

[DMRick]

That's funny, because I have often thought of Jon as Teflon Jon, because it doesn't seem to matter what the rag mags show him doing, it bounces off (I swear, I just used that term yesterday LOL) and people still stick up for him. I guess it just depends on who you see as the less/more problem person.

Believe me, both sides feel the same way. I get tired of the posters day in/day out who are searching for reasons to declare Kate a terrible human being. Stuff she may never do, but people assume she has or will. Yes, I get that you (general you) don't like her, but honestly, some of the stuff that is posted here....

New and old posters have left on both sides, because both sides have felt 'picked' on, or feel only their way/thoughts are correct, and if you don't agree, it has often gotten personal. That said, this stuff is really what keeps the thread going As long as Kate and Jon feed the fuel, it will end up posted here and discussed. And it's always good to remember, that no matter what our thoughts are, we don't know J & K, and only know a fraction of what they do and don't do.

I hope you'll be back soon, because I have always liked how you present 'your' side, and you have cleared up stuff I have missed for me.

I'm sure this happens with Kate too although I don't notice it as much (which is why in my mind I've nicknamed her "teflon Kate") but I'm getting really tired of the posters who day in/day out are searching for reasons to declare Jon a terrible human being. Yes, I get that you don't like him, but honestly some of the stuff that is posted here -- new posters and lurkers must come away with the impression that this guy needs to spend the rest of his life in prison. And I just hate to be in the position to have to defend him against things that he actually hasn't done yet (or may never do) -- I don't want to defend him, period. People believe what they want to believe, so I'm just tired of arguing about these kinds of things.

 

[DMRick]

Thanks. I was away when this all happened, so all I had was the filing papers to go by.

I didn't think it had anything to do with the changing of the name, because I thought Jon would still get paid, from what I had read, but that Jon wanted to be able to persue other things (and maybe still get paid) since he wasn't going to be on the show much, but TLC said no. That's when I thought the one hour or the kids get pulled came from.

We'll have to see how it plays out, once it goes to court.

I can't imagine, even if TLC wins that the kids will go back to taping. If it's in their contract that Jon can stop the taping, surely for sure if he loses, he won't let them tape...except there is the money the show brings. Yep, soap opera for sure..unfortunately, this soap has kids involved that are playing their real life.

That is what TLC claimed in their filing, that Jon (and Heller) said to release him or he would pull the kids. But I don't necessarily believe that as the 100% truth. Maybe it will be proven, maybe not, but I don't take what TLC claims as face value. Jon said filming was harming the kids and TLC had too much control over all of them. He refused to film before TLC changed the name of the show, and he was NOT fired by TLC as was claimed. It is a soap opera, and everyone has motive to lie! however Jon has not given permission to resume filming and that is good.

 

[Tikitoi]

Can't believe that Kate would be desperate enough to do a show by herself.

 

[barkley]

Yeah, I'd love to see how the "love offerings" are dealt with on a tax return -- not saying they never claimed them, just wondering what they would be called.

i'm not sure how the 'love offerings' would be claimed either but i know the recipients have to be careful in tracking them for tax purposes. that's why when you see on the news about some tragic situation (illness, injury, death-often with children involved) and there's a solicitation for donations you're directed to send it in care of a specialy set up bank account or trust. that's because those in the know about these kinds of things realize it's a tax advantage to set up the recipient(s) as a charitable entity (vs. an individual person or family)-but you have to meet certain i.r.s. standards to qualify for that.


i can't speak for other churches, but the one we've been affiliated does regular 'offerings' for individuals, families and certain 'pet projects' (non church affiliated). given that they report to the penny the amount collected for each individual offering in the church bulletin on the following week i know this money is counted and recorded before it's handed over to the recipeint (even if they are at the service it's collected for)-then at the end of the year if you look at the church accounting it details out how much was collected for each of these offerings and how much/to whom it was disbursed. based on that i presume that since the physical church is facilitating the collection then they have some accounting requirement for irs purposes-weather they have some kind of requirement to send the recipient some kind of tax form at the end of the year i don't know.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

That's funny, because I have often thought of Jon as Teflon Jon, because it doesn't seem to matter what the rag mags show him doing, it bounces off (I swear, I just used that term yesterday LOL) and people still stick up for him. I guess it just depends on who you see as the less/more problem person.

Believe me, both sides feel the same way. I get tired of the posters day in/day out who are searching for reasons to declare Kate a terrible human being. Stuff she may never do, but people assume she has or will. Yes, I get that you (general you) don't like her, but honestly, some of the stuff that is posted here....

New and old posters have left on both sides, because both sides have felt 'picked' on, or feel only their way/thoughts are correct, and if you don't agree, it has often gotten personal. That said, this stuff is really what keeps the thread going As long as Kate and Jon feed the fuel, it will end up posted here and discussed. And it's always good to remember, that no matter what our thoughts are, we don't know J & K, and only know a fraction of what they do and don't do.

I hope you'll be back soon, because I have always liked how you present 'your' side, and you have cleared up stuff I have missed for me.

I agree, it seems to come down to which side you sympathize with more. I notice it happens much more with Kate, but that is my perspective. It happens with both and some of the things that have been posted about Jon and Kate are just horrible.

Redrose, I will miss reading your thoughts and hope that you can get past this feeling. I understand though as I have felt the same way many times.

 

[MAKmom]

Why? Just because you accept cash doesn't mean that you're not claiming the money as income. Waitresses do it all of the time.

Waitress have to claim tips at the end of the shift. I think 10% of sales is reported not matter what.

Whoever gave Jon the cash/chips has to report it if it is over $600.00 at the end of the year.

 

[MAKmom]

what is the (or is there a?) difference between accepting cash/chips in Vegas or cash only for pictures at a speaking engagement like Jon and Kate did in the past? It should all be reported, right?

PS. I'm not trying to cast Kate in a bad light with this question, because it's a good question about what happens after she files -- I am just curious if there's a tax difference. Especially, if there is no difference, then Jon may (for as stupid as this seems/is) not have realized the implications OR he figures he got away with accepting cash for something once, it would be ok to do it again.

If you make under $600.00 it does not have to be claimed But I'm not sure how it would apply to autographs.

 

[madge]

Yeah, I'd love to see how the "love offerings" are dealt with on a tax return -- not saying they never claimed them, just wondering what they would be called.

I think (and I'm not 100% on this, by any means) that there is a difference between a love offering and paying for pictures or autographs. A love offering is a gift from the person giving it with (usually but not always) nothing tangible in return.

 

[mikki'smom]

Well, if Jon doesn't get his act together (and it may be too late) then the only thing he could do is take up fishing and offer his kids "fish and chips" for dinner... I know that is so lame .....

On a more serious note...what is this boy going to do...if Nutriwhatever won't have you then who will...how is he going to pay the bills... these things distress me terribly as I'm sure they do Kate...I just don't see how there can be any kind of happy ending for this guy

 

[madge]

Well, if Jon doesn't get his act together (and it may be too late) then the only thing he could do is take up fishing and offer his kids "fish and chips" for dinner... I know that is so lame .....

On a more serious note...what is this boy going to do...if Nutriwhatever won't have you then who will...how is he going to pay the bills... these things distress me terribly as I'm sure they do Kate...I just don't see how there can be any kind of happy ending for this guy

last time I checked, he was still listed as the author on Multiple Blessings, as well as being listed on the still showing, although it's on hiatus, Jon & Kate Plus 8.

While he's not in the best of places at the moment, there's no way to know what Jon Gosselin is doing to generate income for the family right now.

 

[C.Ann]

It had something to do with the letter they had received from TLC stating that if either Jon or Kate felt that filming was detrimental at that time, they could stop it because of the divorce (which I'm guessing is different from any wording in their contract). But I don't know whether he also asked to be let out of his exclusive contract too. Based on what a TLC rep said about a month ago, stopping the filming would have meant a stop in the pay, so I guess that would have been assumed.

I never had any information on when this happened, but there were at least 2 links that discussed it (other than Jon saying so) -- one discussed Charles Meyer representing Jon and I think the other was an interview with Rabbi Shmuley, but it has been no secret since the time he did the LKL interview -- but it had to have been some time before Charles Meyer stopped representing Jon and that was some time in the summer.



Yeah, I'd love to see how the "love offerings" are dealt with on a tax return -- not saying they never claimed them, just wondering what they would be called.



Yes, ITA, we only have Michael Lohan's word for it that Jon ever accepted cash or chips, and as far as I know you guys down there in the US haven't filed your 2009 tax returns yet -- there's no reason to believe IMO that Jon is trying to defraud the government.

It's stuff like this that is making me need to take a break. I'm sure this happens with Kate too although I don't notice it as much (which is why in my mind I've nicknamed her "teflon Kate") but I'm getting really tired of the posters who day in/day out are searching for reasons to declare Jon a terrible human being. Yes, I get that you don't like him, but honestly some of the stuff that is posted here -- new posters and lurkers must come away with the impression that this guy needs to spend the rest of his life in prison. And I just hate to be in the position to have to defend him against things that he actually hasn't done yet (or may never do) -- I don't want to defend him, period. People believe what they want to believe, so I'm just tired of arguing about these kinds of things.

It's been great hanging out with you all -- I'll check in again if something big comes out, or I get over this feeling, or you get to Thread 8 -- whichever happens first.

I'm really sorry to see you step away.. You have been the voice of reason on this thread (along with Madge) and have done a wonderful job of balancing out the pros and cons of both Jon and Kate - speaking equally on both sides of the fence..

Guess that leaves you, Madge.. Get those links posted so we can see both sides of the story (okay - zillions of stories - LOL).. If you step away as well, this thread may very well turn into utter chaos! LOL..

 

[daughtersrus]

Waitress have to claim tips at the end of the shift. I think 10% of sales is reported not matter what.

Whoever gave Jon the cash/chips has to report it if it is over $600.00 at the end of the year.

I know many people that get paid cash. There is nothing illegal about that as they pay taxes on the income.

For example, when my kids were little, I paid my daycare provider in cash. At the end of the year, she claimed it all as income and I was still able to take the childcare tax deduction by using her SS#.

I'm not sure why people here are getting so upset about this and acting like there's some illegal activity going on. According to the IRS site he would need to file a 1099-MISC. Until you know that he's not going to report the income, it sure sounds like you're making a big deal about nothing.

 

[DMRick]

That's how ours does it too. We pay by check (deposit the actual love offering). Usually the person who receives it puts it down as misc income. If Kate or Jon files a schdule C as a business she would put it there and pay her own share of social security, income taxes and deduct her expenses on that form.

i can't speak for other churches, but the one we've been affiliated does regular 'offerings' for individuals, families and certain 'pet projects' (non church affiliated). given that they report to the penny the amount collected for each individual offering in the church bulletin on the following week i know this money is counted and recorded before it's handed over to the recipeint (even if they are at the service it's collected for)-then at the end of the year if you look at the church accounting it details out how much was collected for each of these offerings and how much/to whom it was disbursed. based on that i presume that since the physical church is facilitating the collection then they have some accounting requirement for irs purposes-weather they have some kind of requirement to send the recipient some kind of tax form at the end of the year i don't know.

 

[DMRick]

If you make under $600.00 it does not have to be claimed But I'm not sure how it would apply to autographs.

Under the $600 for each person, the place doesn't have to give a 1099, but you have to claim all of your income. You just may not owe taxes on the first $600. But if you have other income, you may owe it on the entire amount.

 

[DMRick]

I think (and I'm not 100% on this, by any means) that there is a difference between a love offering and paying for pictures or autographs. A love offering is a gift from the person giving it with (usually but not always) nothing tangible in return.

The nothing tangible is one rule, but it also can't be going to just one certain person. It would need to go to the church, and then how they disperse it is up to them. For instance, if we have three kids form church going to the mission field, if someone wants to claim it as a donation, they need to give to the church, and they will disperse it. If they want to give to one certain child, we will not put that on their giving form, as it's not tax deductible. So I assume the church takes a love offering and uses it to 'pay' that amount to Kate and Jon.

It's been 3-4 years since I worked as a tax preparer, but I'm still involved with the giving at our church, and that's the way it's done.

If Kate is selling a signature, that is not tax deductible and Kate would need to put that on her schedule C or misc income. Schedule C is better, so she can deduct her expenses (you know..pens LOL).

 

[madge]

Guess that leaves you, Madge.. Get those links posted so we can see both sides of the story (okay - zillions of stories - LOL).. If you step away as well, this thread may very well turn into utter chaos! LOL..

in case you haven't noticed ... I'm not posting quite as often as I have in the past ... and while I don't plan on stepping away (because every time I say I'm going to, I get sucked back in ), the main focus these days is on the trial and that's not something I understand very well. There's just not much for me to say right now.

 

[DMRick]

There's just not much for me to say right now.

That's a good thing Madge..that means the two of them aren't doing a bunch of stupid things to talk about. I do know you are on the kids side..we all are on that side, but I unless things have changed, I know you have gone to a Kate speech, you and I have chatted, and I know she's not your favorite of the two LOL!