Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Why not?

While now is different, an you explain how you would grocery shop with "6" 2-year olds?


I'm not being snarky--but let's really think about what you are asking.

I shop with three and it goes okay, my kids are reasonably well behaved, but with the growing size of my family, it is lovely to go alone.

But with "6" 1 or 2-year olds? Where do you put them to keep them safe and grouped while you go through the store trying to load up with groceries?

Even now--is it really efficient for 1 adult and 8 children ages 8 and under to go grocery shopping?

I don't even know families with that size of a family with a wider age range who shop with everyone!

Even the Duggars only shopped together on one episode just b/c it was the grocery shopping episode, but all the other times--only a few people go at a time.

 

[C.Ann]

Does Kate listen to her PR and and handlers provided by TLC? Has she ever said anything disparaging against Jon? I thought we wanted Jon to listen to someone to clean himself up. Let's see, he stopped TLC from filming his kids, he said they controlled too much of their lives, (disagree?) and he reunited them with a beloved aunt and uncle whom they used to be very close to. And he has brought back other family members as well. This week he has been very good!

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They both have PR people - and whatever those PR people tell them to do is exactly what they're going to do..

Whatever Jon's motives, it's nice to see the kids benefit from all of these recent actions..

I'm wondering when the next court dates are: the divorce; the custody; support; division of assets; and the TLC breach of contract suit..

I know someone who was divorced in NY recently and the divorce was granted in one court (on a specific date) - while the custody, support, and division of assets was decided in another court (on a different date)..

For the kids sake, I hope it doesn't drag on too awfully long..

 

[daughtersrus]

Was this posted here:
http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews....lin-hailey-glassman-fight-with-kate-gosselin/
Fox411 Exclusive: Jon Gosselin on new offensive in PR fight with Kate
In the past week, Jon Gosselin has returned the thousands of dollars he secretly snuck out of his and wife Kate Gosselin's bank account, and he has reunited with Kate's brother and sister-in-law.

Could Jon be turning over a new leaf and trying to right some past wrongs?

Not so much.

It turns out Jon Gosselin is on a major press offensive that's planned to continue for weeks to come, in which he will try paint soon-to-be-ex Kate as a bad mom, and himself as a hapless victim, Fox411 has learned.

But for all the behind-the-scenes machinations taking place, it turns out the main player is not even the main man behind the PR strategy, says a source inside the Jon and Kate Gosselin drama.

The insider tells Fox 411 that Jon is simply doing whatever his "team" recommends. Jon's backers include girlfriend Hailey Glassman (daughter of Kate's plastic surgeon), his publicist, lawyers and even Lindsay Lohan's dad, Michael Lohan. They have convinced Jon that the best strategy going forward is to continue to make Kate look like the controlling woman he thinks she is by constantly calling the paparazzi and speaking to the cameras, says the source.

"His first [priority] was to get the money back to their marital account so he could prove that he was just protecting the assets of his kids," the insider tells Fox411. "Now that he has forced filming to stop, and TLC is suing him for breach of contract, he's building up witnesses to back him."

"Michael Lohan was key in convincing Jon to shut down the show, and now Jon's money-making potential is limited," the source continues. "The people he should be paying, including lawyers, are pretty sure the likelihood of him being able to pay them is low at this point."

The group even discussed the weekend reconciliation with Jon and Kate's brother and sister-in-law, Kevin and Jodi Kreider. The couple used to be close to the reality parents, but their relationship ended two years ago over a dispute with Kate, says the insider.

"Kevin and Jodi genuinely seem to love the kids, but it was not Jon's idea to bring them to the big house this weekend without Kate there. [It was] the team's," the source explains. "Once he thought about it, he knew the kids would love it and it would irritate Kate. Jon gave them a call and invitation to get them on his side."

Kate's take? Just another family betrayal she has to deal with.

"After her brother and his wife went on air to talk about what a bad mother she was and how hurtful the show was for the children, Kate was upset," the insider says. "She wasn't surprised that Jon would befriend them again, but she was furious when she learned he invited them to the house. She can't stop Jon from doing these things to hurt her [though], so she's learning to let them go."

I'm not putting too much into a report that claims the information is from unnamed sources.

But, for the sake of argument, let's assume that it's accurate.

So many people have said that they wished that Jon would listen to others before he speaks. If this article is true, now that he's doing that why are people upset by it?

People wanted Jon to put back the money that he took and now that he's done that, they're criticizing him for doing it.

Jon allowed his children to see relatives that they were very close to and love very much but now Kate is saying that it's a betrayal?

For once, Jon appears to be doing what people have said that he should be doing and they're still trying to make him out as a monster.

 

[LoraJ]

I hope the divorce does not drag on long either. Once the mess is over, hopefully the tabloids will go away and stay away. Especially from the house and bus stop.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

If the parents are on the show, they would get paid too wouldn't they? They are also working on the show. The show is just as much about them as the kids. I think they should have a part of the law that does designate that a certain percentage must be put in a trust for the kids.

I think that is very much forgotten.

They would likely actually get paid more as there is a bit more that they do on the show.

Even in film and tv, the kids do not necessarily get paid as much as other leads, unless perhaps they are dakota fanning and are the lead.

At $25K per epidsode, I could see the kids getting "only" $1000-$2000 per kid while Kate and Jon split the balance of $9000-$$17,000.

 

[kidshop]

Sure.

However we have no proof that they have not been doing this anyway.

As stated earlier, their college funding has been set aside and at present cost predicitons for public universities , that amount would be in excess of 15% of the income of the whole family.

So it is POSSIBLE (not proven much as the opposite thesis isn't proven)--that the children are being treated quite well and better than the minimums of even the most restrictive laws.



I think it is fair to acknowledge that it is possible to film any reality series like J&K plus 8 in a state such as CA and be fully compliant with child entertainment labor law.

We do know the children were not paid and J&K shared a 22,500 payment per episode as of last year (likely more this year). I assume that is why there had to be an unprecedented amount of episodes! Aren't real actors paid a set wage? It seems like TLC took advantage of all of them.

I'm not sure how you know what has been set aside for college? Based on what Kate said? Ok, but she claimed to only have $1000 to live on two weeks ago, so I don't put much stock in what she says.

 

[LoraJ]

I'm not putting too much into a report that claims the information is from unnamed sources.

But, for the sake of argument, let's assume that it's accurate.

So many people have said that they wished that Jon would listen to others before he speaks. If this article is true, now that he's doing that why are people upset by it?

People wanted Jon to put back the money that he took and now that he's done that, they're criticizing him for doing it.

Jon allowed his children to see relatives that they were very close to and love very much but now Kate is saying that it's a betrayal?

For once, Jon appears to be doing what people have said that he should be doing and they're still trying to make him out as a monster.

Which is great if Jon is sincere in all of his intentions, but based on his recent behavior, I don't buy it.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Does Kate listen to her PR and and handlers provided by TLC? Has she ever said anything disparaging against Jon? I thought we wanted Jon to listen to someone to clean himself up. Let's see, he stopped TLC from filming his kids, he said they controlled too much of their lives, (disagree?) and he reunited them with a beloved aunt and uncle whom they used to be very close to. And he has brought back other family members as well. This week he has been very good!

Kate has a time or two said not nice things about Jon, but more often than not she "takes the high road".

I think that is her PR kindly directing her as well as Kate's personality.


I don't buy anything that Jon does as being anything other than a stunt, much like some of Kate's moves have been a stunt.

They are wooing the public which won't help them one bit in divorce court.

 

[madge]

Was this posted here:
http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews....lin-hailey-glassman-fight-with-kate-gosselin/

I saw that earlier. Gotta love "the source" There may be some truth to the article, but I want to know where the inside source's information is coming from. LOL

 

[DMRick]

Why not?

It might be easier now that they are bigger, but I just want to get in and get out. 8X Mommy can I have this, Mommy I have to go to the bathroom, I'm thirsty, Susie hit me, now I have to go to the bathroom. It would drive me out of my mind LOL.

 

[madge]

This might sound moot/lame/etc., but -- in the early days -- why couldn't Jon watch them while Kate ran errands?

Jon had a job outside of the home ... for a while, he also had an hour commute each way, IIRC. If Kate had helpers in the house during the day, why wouldn't she take advantage of that?

but to answer your question, he could have watched them in the evenings or on Saturdays when he wasn't at work. I can't see any reason why he couldn't.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

We do know the children were not paid and J&K shared a 22,500 payment per episode as of last year (likely more this year). I assume that is why there had to be an unprecedented amount of episodes! Aren't real actors paid a set wage? It seems like TLC took advantage of all of them.

I'm not sure how you know what has been set aside for college? Based on what Kate said? Ok, but she claimed to only have $1000 to live on two weeks ago, so I don't put much stock in what she says.

We know that they do not draw a paycheck in their name, we do NOT know how much of that money has been deliberately set aside for them.

It becomes a matter of semantics.

A law would GUARANTEE separate wages (the $22,500 split, but not necessarily in 10 equal ways as it would not be on ANY show of ANY kind).

We do not know what the parents have done VOLUNTARILY and to imply that there is proof they have done nothng is laughable.

Kate said last night that the children's college educations have now been taken care of (I believe the question was have they set aside money for the kids).

I was simply hypthesizing based on the going rate of college tuition at the time they would go.

We just don't know--but noone wants to admit that. It is much more scintillating to cast them to the wolves as leaving their children destitute.

Re: $1000 to live on.

The $1000, was from LIQUID assets. It wasn't her last $1000 in the world.

We only have a set amount of money to live on in any given paycheck--but we do have 2 of our 3 children fully set up with their college accounts. They are not liquid. But if I needed to liquidate I could. But it's not like I can go and take out a bit of money to pay groceries or pay a doctor's co-pay or something. We also have a 401K and my husbands SEP. Again--nice healthy amount of money there, but not liquid and not touchable without a HUGE penalty. In a true emergency, we could liquidate the asset if we needed to.

But paying groceries wouldn't qualify.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Which is great if Jon is sincere in all of his intentions, but based on his recent behavior, I don't buy it.

Exactly.

Motives matter whether were talking about Jon or Kate. Why someone does something gives you an indication of what kind of person they are. If Jon had stopped filming back in July, I would have totally applauded his efforts. If he had said: we are going through this divorce privately as a family, there will be no filming until further notice if ever. I would have respected his decision and seen it as a genuine act of concern for his children.

Based on his actions....Jon was and is doing what is best for Jon.

 

[kidshop]

Sure he did those things, but at the same time he was letting the paps photograph and film the kids. And letting Jodi & Kevin in their home, was it really for the kids, or to anger Kate. That's the point of the article, you are seeing it as all "Jon is a good boy" but his motives are being questioned. He had no problems with the kids being on TLC until they gave him the boot. Kind of the same with Kevin & Jodi.

This isn't true! He refused to film about a week before TLC 'reduced his role' on the show. It's in the court documents. TLC said they didn't fire him, and they would still pay him but he had to stay exclusive with them. TLC found out he was going on LKL to announce he was stopping the filming and then decided to 'fire' him and sue for breach.

He was never fired in the sense that they were still going to pay him.

 

[madge]

I hope the divorce does not drag on long either. Once the mess is over, hopefully the tabloids will go away and stay away. Especially from the house and bus stop.

that will depend on how much Jon and Kate miss the spotlight, I'm afraid.

I hope you're right, though. I really do.

 

[daughtersrus]

It might be easier now that they are bigger, but I just want to get in and get out. 8X Mommy can I have this, Mommy I have to go to the bathroom, I'm thirsty, Susie hit me, now I have to go to the bathroom. It would drive me out of my mind LOL.

I guess it comes down to the personality of the adult. I know several people that take many children very close in age all over the place by themselves.

 

[madge]

It might be easier now that they are bigger, but I just want to get in and get out. 8X Mommy can I have this, Mommy I have to go to the bathroom, I'm thirsty, Susie hit me, now I have to go to the bathroom. It would drive me out of my mind LOL.

she could go to the store while they're at school.

 

[daughtersrus]

but to answer your question, he could have watched them in the evenings or on Saturdays when he wasn't at work. I can't see any reason why he couldn't.

Do we know if he did and TLC just chose not to show it?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

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They both have PR people - and whatever those PR people tell them to do is exactly what they're going to do..

Whatever Jon's motives, it's nice to see the kids benefit from all of these recent actions..

I'm wondering when the next court dates are: the divorce; the custody; support; division of assets; and the TLC breach of contract suit..

I know someone who was divorced in NY recently and the divorce was granted in one court (on a specific date) - while the custody, support, and division of assets was decided in another court (on a different date)..

For the kids sake, I hope it doesn't drag on too awfully long..

I know folks who have gotten divorced in Florida and usually custody was done during the whole divorce deal as well as support and all the rest of that stuff. Like it's all one big package.

Not sure on PA law...

Other than I thought that it had to be a 2 year deal. So they start the clock ticking from when they filed (or whenever they began living separately). Since they have a fully documented vow renewal last year (Can't remember when that was!), there is no way that the clock could not be clicking before that moment.

Then Jon wanted to slow the process down (some 90 day thing a few weeks ago?)

I'm so confused.

Anyway--I think we are no less than 1 year if not more from this being concluded.

And that is just with the PA clock ticking--before anything J&K will do to slow it down.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

she could go to the store while they're at school.

Now she can!

When she's not too busy throwing Cara and Mady's stuff down the stairs on the three days that the sextuplets are in school for 3 hours that is.