Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[MAKmom]

Actually, I was talking about having one or more with disabilities. Either way, I think that the point is being lost. If Kate and Jon can't handle having their children in extra activities, how would they have managed taking one or more to the necessary appointments that a disabled child/ren would have required?

I'm not sure why you assume that they would have been housebound? Is it because they say that they need help to care for all of their healthy children as it is? I don't believe that the McCaughey family is housebound but please correct me if I'm wrong.




Is that for the EI program or do all health providers come to the home regardless of whether or not it is covered by insurance? If that's the case, who pays for the services?




Not according to the SEPTA website. I didn't see anything about it being free but there are some discounts for services if you have a Medicare card (the card would be based on income).

http://www.septa.org/fares/disabilities.html
http://www.dpw.state.pa.us/ServicesPrograms/MedicalAssistance/003670296.htm

Septa will pick you up at your house we have neighbors that use it everyday for thier adult disabled child. I guess someone is paying the fee but they said it was free.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Well, it does seem different in different states. I've just done a quick search and the legal language =

It is also not clear to me whether Jon's injunction preventing the children from being filmed is temporary and/or merely for the location (i.e. the house). I'm sure it is challengable by Kate. I think it will be dealt with as part of the custody agreement. I rather pity the Judge in this case.

For what it is worth: California's Coogan Law has been used as a model for other states i.e. New Mexico and NY but is not applicable in all states. The Coogan Law is fairly minimal -- money earned by a child working as an actor belongs to the child, and a giant 15% of the child's gross earnings must be placed in trust. If I am reading correctly it has been modified several times to close loop-holes, most recently in 2004. Child Labor Law in CA takes care of other aspects, like education and hours worked. It covers 100% of minor actors. The Screen Actors Guild web page has a link to the full text.

New York's Coogan Law is very similar, but also includes some language re. education. I think the NM version was filed after the Child Nation controversy, but have not looked for it yet. As I said:

PA has no Coogan Law, but there are good provisions to protect child labor extant regarding hours and educational opportunities. Remember that PA is still investigating whether TLC and the Gosselins have violated Child Labor Law or have merely exploited loopholes. Here is the link, and the relevant section is 7.1 if you scroll down the page --

http://www.dli.state.pa.us/landi/CWP/view.asp?a=185&Q=58124

I think I need a nap after reading all that legalese!

Honestly out of the investigation--all that will come out of it is a modification of law.

I think they may have taken advantage of loopholes however in the strictest interpretation they could simply slap them with a fine and be done with it. 5 seasons, it isnt' like PA wasn't privy to all of this. They are just responding to complaints as they would under ANY cirucmstance in which someone reports a possible violation of labor law.

I was surprised that Coogan's law limited it to 15%....I'm surprised it is not more.

However the money can be used towards the child such as working expenses (buying clothes specific to auditions or interviews or other legitimate work purpose, head shots, portfolios, travel costs, classes towards their "career"--all of which are tax deductible as legitimate work expenses. I know of a mom whose son was cast on some show that was on last year--but I can't recall the name. He was the son of a priest---in any case, she used a portion of his acting income before he "hit it big" so to speak from his modeling gigs and commercials to pay for his private school. Which was a very legitimate thing to do. I do not know if our state has Coogan's law or not. I found it weird, but not entirely inappropriate either.

I think having a relaxed law that states that a minimum of 15% is put in trust allows for the other nuances of a performance career that cost money.

For some reason though, I had expected it to be a higher amount.

Clearly the Olsen twins were banking a *tad* more than 15%. I applaud their parents. Even if the Olsen twins got a little weird as they grew up, their parents really set them up for life.

I mean who thought little Michelle Tanner x 2 would have made such a lucrative investment choice (with help and guidance) and end up so darn weatlhy?

 

[LoraJ]

Was this posted here:
http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews....lin-hailey-glassman-fight-with-kate-gosselin/
Fox411 Exclusive: Jon Gosselin on new offensive in PR fight with Kate
In the past week, Jon Gosselin has returned the thousands of dollars he secretly snuck out of his and wife Kate Gosselin's bank account, and he has reunited with Kate's brother and sister-in-law.

Could Jon be turning over a new leaf and trying to right some past wrongs?

Not so much.

It turns out Jon Gosselin is on a major press offensive that's planned to continue for weeks to come, in which he will try paint soon-to-be-ex Kate as a bad mom, and himself as a hapless victim, Fox411 has learned.

But for all the behind-the-scenes machinations taking place, it turns out the main player is not even the main man behind the PR strategy, says a source inside the Jon and Kate Gosselin drama.

The insider tells Fox 411 that Jon is simply doing whatever his "team" recommends. Jon's backers include girlfriend Hailey Glassman (daughter of Kate's plastic surgeon), his publicist, lawyers and even Lindsay Lohan's dad, Michael Lohan. They have convinced Jon that the best strategy going forward is to continue to make Kate look like the controlling woman he thinks she is by constantly calling the paparazzi and speaking to the cameras, says the source.

"His first [priority] was to get the money back to their marital account so he could prove that he was just protecting the assets of his kids," the insider tells Fox411. "Now that he has forced filming to stop, and TLC is suing him for breach of contract, he's building up witnesses to back him."

"Michael Lohan was key in convincing Jon to shut down the show, and now Jon's money-making potential is limited," the source continues. "The people he should be paying, including lawyers, are pretty sure the likelihood of him being able to pay them is low at this point."

The group even discussed the weekend reconciliation with Jon and Kate's brother and sister-in-law, Kevin and Jodi Kreider. The couple used to be close to the reality parents, but their relationship ended two years ago over a dispute with Kate, says the insider.

"Kevin and Jodi genuinely seem to love the kids, but it was not Jon's idea to bring them to the big house this weekend without Kate there. [It was] the team's," the source explains. "Once he thought about it, he knew the kids would love it and it would irritate Kate. Jon gave them a call and invitation to get them on his side."

Kate's take? Just another family betrayal she has to deal with.

"After her brother and his wife went on air to talk about what a bad mother she was and how hurtful the show was for the children, Kate was upset," the insider says. "She wasn't surprised that Jon would befriend them again, but she was furious when she learned he invited them to the house. She can't stop Jon from doing these things to hurt her [though], so she's learning to let them go."

 

[FergieTCat]

On the old shows, when Kate left the kids with the sitter, there were actually multiple sitters.

Not always, but several times. And then on trips, they'd take even more adults.

I think it depends on the circumstances.

I just don't see an issue with her statement. She didnt' say she required 2 people 24/7.

This might sound moot/lame/etc., but -- in the early days -- why couldn't Jon watch them while Kate ran errands?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

This might sound moot/lame/etc., but -- in the early days -- why couldn't Jon watch them while Kate ran errands?

In the early days, he actually had a job.

Sounds lame, but we often like to have my errands completed during the week so we aren't running around all weekend.

As it stands we "only" have 3 with a 4th all the way and if DH has to stay home with the kids--not exactly what her terms fun sometimes. Sounds bad--but they exhaust him.

It's always comical b/c when HE comes home and the house happens to be in disarray, he always wants to know "what happened"?

But when I come home to the same, if not worse--his response is always " I was watching the kids by myself "



Sounds lame and I do not intend to be sexist, but it is some what the dynamic in our house.

Then if I ask hubby to take all three kids with him somewhere.....

Had to do that a few times in the past 6-8 weeks due to my illness with pregnancy and I kid you not--I get that reaction.

Now I have my opinions of Jon--I do not share the same opinions of my husband--but it is comical and how "inconvenienced" a full-time working dad gets when the SAHM wants him to watch the kids for a little bit while she runs an errand.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

.It turns out Jon Gosselin is on a major press offensive that's planned to continue for weeks to come, in which he will try paint soon-to-be-ex Kate as a bad mom, and himself as a hapless victim, Fox411 has learned.

But for all the behind-the-scenes machinations taking place, it turns out the main player is not even the main man behind the PR strategy, says a source inside the Jon and Kate Gosselin drama.

I have this feeling that while it may woo the public, divorces are not conducted with a Jury and the judge will have no interest in this song and dance.

Unless Jon reports his wife to child protective services, he can bring all the character witnesses he wants and Kate will be able to do the same. He will not be able to rob her of her custody rights just b/c he hates her.

With Kevin and Jodi not having been around for 2 years, the judge will have zero interest in what they did not personally witness.

Yes there is 5 years of footage, and despite all the Kate reals on You-tube that show her as the anithesis to Mother of the Year there is absolutely nothing that would make her lose her children.

And all Kate needs to do is pull the past 6 months of tabloids and she has a good character counter claim.

All this is just silly---and it the court of public opinion is irrelevant to how their marriage gets dissolved. No judge will fall for this garbage--from Jon OR Kate.

 

[FergieTCat]

So, then, my question would be, how can people criticize Kate for having "help" when she couldn't even rely on Jon? I mean, 8 kids is 8 kids. You can't exactly take them all the the supermarket with you.

My friend's husband was like that by the way, and they only have 1 kid.

In the early days, he actually had a job.

Sounds lame, but we often like to have my errands completed during the week so we aren't running around all weekend.

As it stands we "only" have 3 with a 4th all the way and if DH has to stay home with the kids--not exactly what her terms fun sometimes. Sounds bad--but they exhaust him.

It's always comical b/c when HE comes home and the house happens to be in disarray, he always wants to know "what happened"?

But when I come home to the same, if not worse--his response is always " I was watching the kids by myself "



Sounds lame and I do not intend to be sexist, but it is some what the dynamic in our house.

Then if I ask hubby to take all three kids with him somewhere.....

Had to do that a few times in the past 6-8 weeks due to my illness with pregnancy and I kid you not--I get that reaction.

Now I have my opinions of Jon--I do not share the same opinions of my husband--but it is comical and how "inconvenienced" a full-time working dad gets when the SAHM wants him to watch the kids for a little bit while she runs an errand.

 

[daughtersrus]

I'm assuming that TLC has hours and hours of footage that has been edited. Do they save it forever and if so, does anyone think that there may be something in there that either side could use against the other?

 

[mikki'smom]

Was this posted here:
http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews....lin-hailey-glassman-fight-with-kate-gosselin/
Fox411 Exclusive: Jon Gosselin on new offensive in PR fight with Kate
In the past week, Jon Gosselin has returned the thousands of dollars he secretly snuck out of his and wife Kate Gosselin's bank account, and he has reunited with Kate's brother and sister-in-law.

Could Jon be turning over a new leaf and trying to right some past wrongs?

Not so much.

It turns out Jon Gosselin is on a major press offensive that's planned to continue for weeks to come, in which he will try paint soon-to-be-ex Kate as a bad mom, and himself as a hapless victim, Fox411 has learned.

But for all the behind-the-scenes machinations taking place, it turns out the main player is not even the main man behind the PR strategy, says a source inside the Jon and Kate Gosselin drama.

The insider tells Fox 411 that Jon is simply doing whatever his "team" recommends. Jon's backers include girlfriend Hailey Glassman (daughter of Kate's plastic surgeon), his publicist, lawyers and even Lindsay Lohan's dad, Michael Lohan. They have convinced Jon that the best strategy going forward is to continue to make Kate look like the controlling woman he thinks she is by constantly calling the paparazzi and speaking to the cameras, says the source.

"His first [priority] was to get the money back to their marital account so he could prove that he was just protecting the assets of his kids," the insider tells Fox411. "Now that he has forced filming to stop, and TLC is suing him for breach of contract, he's building up witnesses to back him."

"Michael Lohan was key in convincing Jon to shut down the show, and now Jon's money-making potential is limited," the source continues. "The people he should be paying, including lawyers, are pretty sure the likelihood of him being able to pay them is low at this point."

The group even discussed the weekend reconciliation with Jon and Kate's brother and sister-in-law, Kevin and Jodi Kreider. The couple used to be close to the reality parents, but their relationship ended two years ago over a dispute with Kate, says the insider.

"Kevin and Jodi genuinely seem to love the kids, but it was not Jon's idea to bring them to the big house this weekend without Kate there. [It was] the team's," the source explains. "Once he thought about it, he knew the kids would love it and it would irritate Kate. Jon gave them a call and invitation to get them on his side."

Kate's take? Just another family betrayal she has to deal with.

"After her brother and his wife went on air to talk about what a bad mother she was and how hurtful the show was for the children, Kate was upset," the insider says. "She wasn't surprised that Jon would befriend them again, but she was furious when she learned he invited them to the house. She can't stop Jon from doing these things to hurt her [though], so she's learning to let them go."

When I'm right, I'm right....and I'm right about her being a good mother who will still be standing tall when all of this is said and done....way to go, Kate.

 

[daughtersrus]

I mean, 8 kids is 8 kids. You can't exactly take them all the the supermarket with you.

.

Why not?

 

[kidshop]

Exactly!!! Even with laws in place, there wouldn't be much if any changes in the way it is filmed at all. They appear to be in compliance.

Will the laws ensure the kids get paid individually and prevent parents from living off of the kids with no other source of income?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

So, then, my question would be, how can people criticize Kate for having "help" when she couldn't even rely on Jon? I mean, 8 kids is 8 kids. You can't exactly take them all the the supermarket with you.

My friend's husband was like that by the way, and they only have 1 kid.

I was wondering the same thing.

I think it has more to do with Kate being quoted very frequently that she was doing this all alone and commenting on the difficulties of having no help and many felt that she was essentially lying. I cannot speak for others here, but that is how I interpreted postings on some other websites that discuss Jon and Kate.

My personal belief is that there was never any deception, but rather that TLC wanted to tell a particular story and took sound bites and interview clips that fit their storyline.

It happens often in the "reality" genre regardless of the type of show. (Big Brother, Survivor, and Amazing Race included.)

 

[LoraJ]

Will the laws ensure the kids get paid individually and prevent parents from living off of the kids with no other source of income?

If the parents are on the show, they would get paid too wouldn't they? They are also working on the show. The show is just as much about them as the kids. I think they should have a part of the law that does designate that a certain percentage must be put in a trust for the kids.

 

[kidshop]

Was this posted here:
http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews....lin-hailey-glassman-fight-with-kate-gosselin/
Fox411 Exclusive: Jon Gosselin on new offensive in PR fight with Kate
In the past week, Jon Gosselin has returned the thousands of dollars he secretly snuck out of his and wife Kate Gosselin's bank account, and he has reunited with Kate's brother and sister-in-law.

Could Jon be turning over a new leaf and trying to right some past wrongs?

Not so much.

It turns out Jon Gosselin is on a major press offensive that's planned to continue for weeks to come, in which he will try paint soon-to-be-ex Kate as a bad mom, and himself as a hapless victim, Fox411 has learned.

But for all the behind-the-scenes machinations taking place, it turns out the main player is not even the main man behind the PR strategy, says a source inside the Jon and Kate Gosselin drama.

The insider tells Fox 411 that Jon is simply doing whatever his "team" recommends. Jon's backers include girlfriend Hailey Glassman (daughter of Kate's plastic surgeon), his publicist, lawyers and even Lindsay Lohan's dad, Michael Lohan. They have convinced Jon that the best strategy going forward is to continue to make Kate look like the controlling woman he thinks she is by constantly calling the paparazzi and speaking to the cameras, says the source.

"His first [priority] was to get the money back to their marital account so he could prove that he was just protecting the assets of his kids," the insider tells Fox411. "Now that he has forced filming to stop, and TLC is suing him for breach of contract, he's building up witnesses to back him."

"Michael Lohan was key in convincing Jon to shut down the show, and now Jon's money-making potential is limited," the source continues. "The people he should be paying, including lawyers, are pretty sure the likelihood of him being able to pay them is low at this point."

The group even discussed the weekend reconciliation with Jon and Kate's brother and sister-in-law, Kevin and Jodi Kreider. The couple used to be close to the reality parents, but their relationship ended two years ago over a dispute with Kate, says the insider.

"Kevin and Jodi genuinely seem to love the kids, but it was not Jon's idea to bring them to the big house this weekend without Kate there. [It was] the team's," the source explains. "Once he thought about it, he knew the kids would love it and it would irritate Kate. Jon gave them a call and invitation to get them on his side."

Kate's take? Just another family betrayal she has to deal with.

"After her brother and his wife went on air to talk about what a bad mother she was and how hurtful the show was for the children, Kate was upset," the insider says. "She wasn't surprised that Jon would befriend them again, but she was furious when she learned he invited them to the house. She can't stop Jon from doing these things to hurt her [though], so she's learning to let them go."

Does Kate listen to her PR and and handlers provided by TLC? Has she ever said anything disparaging against Jon? I thought we wanted Jon to listen to someone to clean himself up. Let's see, he stopped TLC from filming his kids, he said they controlled too much of their lives, (disagree?) and he reunited them with a beloved aunt and uncle whom they used to be very close to. And he has brought back other family members as well. This week he has been very good!

 

[daughtersrus]

When I'm right, I'm right....and I'm right about her being a good mother who will still be standing tall when all of this is said and done....way to go, Kate.

You lost me. Can you please explain?

 

[luv2nascar]

They both just really really make me sick right now. Its not about our marriage, our love, our feelings, our kids or anything just money money money.

Well we can all see money isn't buying them happiness.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

The insider tells Fox 411 that Jon is simply doing whatever his "team" recommends. Jon's backers include girlfriend Hailey Glassman (daughter of Kate's plastic surgeon), his publicist, lawyers and even Lindsay Lohan's dad, Michael Lohan. They have convinced Jon that the best strategy going forward is to continue to make Kate look like the controlling woman he thinks she is by constantly calling the paparazzi and speaking to the cameras, says the source.

"Once he thought about it, he knew the kids would love it and it would irritate Kate. Jon gave them a call and invitation to get them on his side."

That has been Jon's problem all along, he is letting these people use him. Listening to his 22 yr. old girlfriend? Why, because of all her life experience...yeah that is brilliant . Michael Lohan has own agenda.

IF this is true...Shame on Jon for playing this game, he should be concentrating on being the best father he can be. Not on ways to get back at Kate and make her look bad. This is only going to backfire on him, at least with most people.

I guess he has forgotten that his children will Google him some day. For now I am hoping Jon finds some one with some sense to seek advice from and hope that this isn't the course he ends up taking.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Will the laws ensure the kids get paid individually and prevent parents from living off of the kids with no other source of income?

Sure.

However we have no proof that they have not been doing this anyway.

As stated earlier, their college funding has been set aside and at present cost predicitons for public universities , that amount would be in excess of 15% of the income of the whole family.

So it is POSSIBLE (not proven much as the opposite thesis isn't proven)--that the children are being treated quite well and better than the minimums of even the most restrictive laws.

It is POSSIBLE that the only factors that are absent are a work permit (so that the state is aware of the employment of the minor) and a teacher or other advocate on set (which wouldn't necessarily MANDATE "school" so to speak if the children are already attending school--but could faciliate homework or other downtime for not filming.)

Those two factors we are aware that do not exist.

The other factors may be met already voluntarily. It has NEVER been proven. It would be great if it were guaranteed--but suppose it were...the show could have still existed in its entirety with very few issues.

I don't think anyone is opposed to a law--but if there were a law, it wouldn't nix the show nor would it reduce the hours the parents claim have been utilized for filming. (notice how the sun is usually up--so it is usually daylight which under CA law would be more than covered in the allowable filming day. Even in CA there are exceptions to filming past 10:30 before a school night and midnight for a non-school night.)

I think it is fair to acknowledge that it is possible to film any reality series like J&K plus 8 in a state such as CA and be fully compliant with child entertainment labor law.

 

[LoraJ]

Does Kate listen to her PR and and handlers provided by TLC? Has she ever said anything disparaging against Jon? I thought we wanted Jon to listen to someone to clean himself up. Let's see, he stopped TLC from filming his kids, he said they controlled too much of their lives, (disagree?) and he reunited them with a beloved aunt and uncle whom they used to be very close to. And he has brought back other family members as well. This week he has been very good!

Sure he did those things, but at the same time he was letting the paps photograph and film the kids. And letting Jodi & Kevin in their home, was it really for the kids, or to anger Kate. That's the point of the article, you are seeing it as all "Jon is a good boy" but his motives are being questioned. He had no problems with the kids being on TLC until they gave him the boot. Kind of the same with Kevin & Jodi.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Why not?

Because sanity is important.