Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[redrosesix]

I understand that. I was commenting that I hope Kate's attorney (and Kate) keep their mouths shut. That they don't counter comment.

Ahhh...but you know they will. The tit-for-tat just never ends

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

So, I just want to go on the record to say that I LIKE KATE...I don't think that she is perfect...but I think she trying to do the best she can FOR HER KIDS and what is left of their family...

Agreed, I like Kate too

I like Jon as well but his actions over the past 8 months have made me like Kate better. I think they both could have conducted themselves differently through this ordeal but I have the advantage of not being involved. So it is easy to say what they should have done. It is never easy when you are the one in it.

I just hope everyone comes out of it for the better. The kids most of all.

 

[madge]

I saw ROL seems to have more pics of the kids playing on the property. I have yet to see them with Aunt Jodi & Uncle Kevin. Perhaps an exclusive for a tabloid so that Jon could get $$$ to pay back the account?

I checked the sosugary pics from the weekend, and the only pictures of the Gosselins are the ones on Radar. If a tabloid has an exclusive, the pics haven't surfaced... and as quickly as things have been put out there in the world of JK8, I'm maybe thinking we've seen all there is to see. I hope so.

PS. I won't be surprised if there's more to come, though.

 

[MAKmom]

PHILADELPHIA - Jon and Kate Gosselin’s money saga continues, as Jon Gosselin shows up in court and pays up, while Kate Gosselin skips a crucial hearing in Montgomery County family court.

Jon Gosselin was at the hearing with Judge Arthur Tilson on Monday and Tilson was satisfied that the reality TV dad put almost $200,000 back into a family bank account.

However, Kate Gosselin skipped the hearing to attend a conference and book signing in Long Beach, Calif.

Jon Gosselin now claims Kate did not account for how she spent $33,000 from the same bank account. Kate’s lawyer said the court didn’t require such an accounting.

The rest of the financial settlement has been put off until a two-day arbitrator session in November.

There were conflicting reports over the weekend if Jon Gosselin had paid back nearly $200,000 to one of two family bank accounts.

The hearing was set to hear complaints over that issue and the couple's joint assets.

However, Kate Gosselin had a previous date to appear at a women's leadership conference run by Maria Shriver in California. Kate Gosselin was also scheduled to do a book signing with Paula Deen and other celebs.

Jon Gosselin is also now allowing Kate Gosselin's estranged brother and sister-in-law visit his children when he has shared custody of their children.

Kevin Kreider and his wife, known to “Jon & Kate Plus 8” fans as Uncle Kevin and Aunt Jodi, were at the Gosselin house in Wernersville, Pa., this weekend.

The web site Radar Online showed images of the Kreiders with Jon Gosselin on Sunday.

The Kreiders publicly criticized Kate Gosselin online and on TV this spring after the couple was cut out of the Gosselins' TV show.

They claimed Kate Gosselin was angered that TLC wanted to compensate the couple for their appearances on TV.

Kate Gosselin said on the “Today Show” in June that the Kreiders lied about the circumstances of their estrangement.

“That’s probably one of the most hurtful things in all of this. When family turns on you and makes up lies and makes allegations and makes tens of thousands of dollars doing it. This is a brother I was very, very close to. And he became jealous and decided that they were going to take their fame and go elsewhere and make money essentially off of my children.”

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/102609_jon_Gosselin_kate_gosselin

Did he put the money back or does he have to the end of the day? Rador on line says it is not back yet. Maybe they are waiting for the check from the Jodi & Kevin show to come in.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

One thing I am confused about. If Jon can say no filming on his property to TLC then why can't Kate say the same to the paps that Jon invites on the property?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

One thing I am confused about. If Jon can say no filming on his property to TLC then why can't Kate say the same to the paps that Jon invites on the property?

Good question!

 

[madge]

Did he put the money back or does he have to the end of the day? Rador on line says it is not back yet.

according to People, Jon has complied.

Attorneys for Jon and Kate Gosselin confirmed Monday morning that Jon has complied with a court order to return money missing from the couple's joint bank account

 

[ksjayhawks]

3. Grab the kids and head for higher ground...what can she do now to put food on the table since Jon decided to kill the goose that laid the golden egg? I'm often puzzled at how everyone puts her down for not going back to nursing. How can she? What would she do with the children? Let them be 8 little latch-key kids. That is no mother's first choice.

Let's see:

**Sell the estate and move to a more reasonably priced/sized house--will drastically reduce mortgage, taxes, insurance, upkeep. OR
**Move back into the house they already own. Many large families live in houses smaller than that one.

**Have a garden.
**Put the kids in public school to cut the costs of private school. Buy a variety of clothes at Target, Walmart, etc and let the kids choose--they don't have to match all the time and they will survive without name brand clothes.
**Look into working for a home health agency which would probably work with the hours that she is available.
**Use some of the interest income to help pay the bills.
**Get rid of the fancy car she bought and buy a more affordable/fuel efficient one.
**Let the nanny go and take care of the kids herself.

 

[VillageMama]

I guarantee you that if you were in her shoes you would be the same way or even worse

NO, I WOULDN'T!

I'm so tired of hearing that every mother of eight would be a spoon-hitting, ball-busting, self-absorbed narcissist.

I have five children, my two best friends each have eight children, another dear friend has seven... and oh, wait... I forgot another friend who has eight and other friends who have six.

None of us are like Kate Gosselin. I'm not saying that being a mom of a big family is easy but it's not as hard as you might think.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

NO, I WOULDN'T!

I'm so tired of hearing that every mother of eight would be a spoon-hitting, ball-busting, self-absorbed narcissist.

I have five children, my two best friends each have eight children, another dear friend has seven... and oh, wait... I forgot another friend who has eight and other friends who have six.

None of us are like Kate Gosselin. I'm not saying that being a mom of a big family is easy but it's not as hard as you might think.

Actually--unless you or your friends have high order mutliples in your large families, that isn't really something you can prove.

Some women have more patience than others, but unless you have sextuplets (or quints or septs)--there just really is no comparison.

The situations just are not the same.

I don't think I'd be like Kate, but I really do not have a family dynamic that comes even remotely close to hers that I could say with conviction that I wouldn't ever do that.

Even the Duggar family is not the same and they have 18 kids. They have the benefit of the kids being spread out over 20 years and the buddy system. I do not fault them for that at all. But the dynamic just isn't the same as dealing with a bunch of humans born all at the same time.

Whether or not Kate is a narcissist is a matter of debate, however it will never be a fair debate b/c you cannot diagnose someone whom you have never met that you have only seen in an edited format of he said/she said.

Gotta say--another of my pet peeves.

Mudslinging psychiatric terms without a degree and without any personal contact with the person whom you are diagnosing.

I mean--I can go get any list for any condition and likely find myself with lots of conditions. But it takes more than just a check list to make a diagnosis.

 

[newtodis]

NO, I WOULDN'T!

I'm so tired of hearing that every mother of eight would be a spoon-hitting, ball-busting, self-absorbed narcissist.

I have five children, my two best friends each have eight children, another dear friend has seven... and oh, wait... I forgot another friend who has eight and other friends who have six.

None of us are like Kate Gosselin. I'm not saying that being a mom of a big family is easy but it's not as hard as you might think.

I think it's hard to compare you (the general you) to Kate....every mom is different! I know I'm a lot like Kate. My DH is a lot like Jon appears (don't know if he's "really" like that or not since I don't know him) - needs lots of direction to get things accomplished and doesn't use coupons. I can imagine that if I had 8 (I only have two), I'd be even more crazy and controlling about things than I am with my two. I don't see myself as any of the words you used to describe Kate -don't hit my kids, don't "ball bust" and don't think I'm "self-absorbed". This is a touchy subject (parenting and being mommies) and we all need to remember we can't pass judgement until we're in her shoes and I don't see any of us having that chance any time soon! Some may have more kids, but until you've lived her life (or Jon's or anyone elses) you don't honestly know what you would do. (again, general you) I'd like to think I would make different choices but I'll never know since I'm pretty sure I won't be having 8 kids and TLC won't be knocking on my door.

 

[VillageMama]

Actually--unless you or your friends have high order mutliples in your large families, that isn't really something you can prove.

I disagree that having eight children in ten years is completely different than having six children at once. Both situations involve having a lot of little children who need care.

But if you prefer those credentials, I worked in day care centers in which I was the sole caregiver for six infants, all of whom were the same age. I cared for those babies for about the same number of waking hours that Kate did... only I had far less help than Kate did and does.

Really... I'm tellin' ya... raising or caring for a large number of little children doesn't have to make one a stressed out joy killer.

You moms of one or two cuties need to give yourselves more credit. I'm right there with you in having felt frustrated and controlling with "only" two children under foot. But you would probably do a fantastic job if six more sweeties were dropped off at your door!

I have seen enough show footage, interview footage and read enough behind the scenes interviews to be very comfortable armchair diagnosing Kate as being a narcissist.

 

[madge]

3. Grab the kids and head for higher ground...what can she do now to put food on the table since Jon decided to kill the goose that laid the golden egg? I'm often puzzled at how everyone puts her down for not going back to nursing. How can she? What would she do with the children? Let them be 8 little latch-key kids. That is no mother's first choice.

Kate's income has not stopped because they are no longer filming the show.

We've been over the many ways that the Gosselin's lifestyle could be scaled back. In less than a year, the children will be in school all day, 5 days a week. That will ease the need for childcare. She can work when Jon has custody ... I believe that they would be ok if Kate (since that's who this post is focusing on) had to get a mainstream job.

I don't think that any of us knows just how hard she really does work...and I think what breaks my heart is all the really self-indulgent, mean things that Jon is doing to get back at her...and I know...she was the one who told him she wanted a divorce...and he says he wanted to go into counseling...but that does not make it right for him to do all the horrible, public things that he is doing to humiliate her...the fact that she can still walk upright is just a testimony to her strength of charachter...

or it means she has the common sense to keep her mouth shut.

 

[talulabelle]

Actually--unless you or your friends have high order mutliples in your large families, that isn't really something you can prove.

Some women have more patience than others, but unless you have sextuplets (or quints or septs)--there just really is no comparison.

The situations just are not the same.

I don't think I'd be like Kate, but I really do not have a family dynamic that comes even remotely close to hers that I could say with conviction that I wouldn't ever do that.

Even the Duggar family is not the same and they have 18 kids. They have the benefit of the kids being spread out over 20 years and the buddy system. I do not fault them for that at all. But the dynamic just isn't the same as dealing with a bunch of humans born all at the same time.

Whether or not Kate is a narcissist is a matter of debate, however it will never be a fair debate b/c you cannot diagnose someone whom you have never met that you have only seen in an edited format of he said/she said.

Gotta say--another of my pet peeves.

Mudslinging psychiatric terms without a degree and without any personal contact with the person whom you are diagnosing.

I mean--I can go get any list for any condition and likely find myself with lots of conditions. But it takes more than just a check list to make a diagnosis.

When multiples are babies, yes it is harder and there is no comparison. But once they are school aged....so much easier than have multiple ages! I have friend awith quints, they all have the same homework every night. They all go to soccer at the same time on the same day. They all play together. One school play. all in one school with the same calendar. One night of teacher conferences rather than 6 different nights for 6 different grades. One Sunday school class (although I doubt these poor kids get to Sunday School.) Much easier. And I've seen both, I can compare.

 

[talulabelle]

I disagree that having eight children in ten years is completely different than having six children at once. Both situations involve having a lot of little children who need care.

But if you prefer those credentials, I worked in day care centers in which I was the sole caregiver for six infants, all of whom were the same age. I cared for those babies for about the same number of waking hours that Kate did... only I had far less help than Kate did and does.

Really... I'm tellin' ya... raising or caring for a large number of little children doesn't have to make one a stressed out joy killer.

You moms of one or two cuties need to give yourselves more credit. I'm right there with you in having felt frustrated and controlling with "only" two children under foot. But you would probably do a fantastic job if six more sweeties were dropped off at your door!

I have seen enough show footage, interview footage and read enough behind the scenes interviews to be very comfortable armchair diagnosing Kate as being a narcissist.

We can't armchair diagnose Kate, but we are allowed to armchair everything else about this family? If it walks, talks, and quacks like a narcisist...I'm pretty comfortable armchair diagnosing it as a narcisist. Even an OCD control freak narcisist.I'll throw in greedy. I'm willing to go as far as to say it's aOCD control freak, greedy, narcisist with a really bad hair do.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

When multiples are babies, yes it is harder and there is no comparison. But once they are school aged....so much easier than have multiple ages! I have friend awith quints, they all have the same homework every night. They all go to soccer at the same time on the same day. They all play together. One school play. all in one school with the same calendar. One night of teacher conferences rather than 6 different nights for 6 different grades. One Sunday school class (although I doubt these poor kids get to Sunday School.) Much easier. And I've seen both, I can compare.

I won't say it isn't easier when they get older.

But we've watched Kate in their formative years. They are still only 5 and just now getting into whatever their K class is called. She'll finally get to "relax" so to speak. But they are still rather young. It'll likely get better when they are older.

I'm not there, I don't know.

I remember watching the Dilley sextuplet interviews and they have had many challenges with raising six at once. It has its benefits, but it certainly has its challenges. She ended up homeschooling but I don't know if they still are.

 

[mhsjax]

Wow, I guess Kate has it harder than anyone. I guess unless you high order multiples then you just don't know. I guess that gives you permission to be a nasty witch that yells at everyone seems ungrateful and you know what I have relatives that have 8 children and they don't seem to think that their kids deserve to have a big house, that is what kills me the most, That her kids deserve it, like there are no others around. She need to get a clue, she is spoiled rotten and so are her kids and Jon is no better, they both win the looser award as far as I am concerned and I just don't understand why everyone thinks so is so wonderful or even ok, no matter what she does, it is because she is Kate and has all those kids. Rant over.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I have seen enough show footage, interview footage and read enough behind the scenes interviews to be very comfortable armchair diagnosing Kate as being a narcissist.

Wow!

Where did you go to school?

 

[newtodis]

There seem to be some new faces again....please remember the warning from Kathy over the weekend. We need to be nice to one another or there will be no more thread.....I love discussing with everyone so please let's not make it personal and remember our manners!

 

[talulabelle]

There seem to be some new faces again....please remember the warning from Kathy over the weekend. We need to be nice to one another or there will be no more thread.....I love discussing with everyone so please let's not make it personal and remember our manners!

The best way to keep the thread open is to not try and combat each post. If someone says something you don't agree with...it is fine to post what you do agree with, but no need to argue with and combat every last detail of posts of people that don't agree with you.Everyone should be allowed to call it the way they see it. There will be no "winner" or prizes awarded at the end of the thread.

ETA : this was a general "you " to everyone on thread, not to you newtodis....