Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

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Do they just agree not to take the money, but then there are no real protections for access to the money..ie freezing the account? That seems stupid and reckless in an acrimonious divorce! Again, I find it hard to believe Kate would leave Jon with access to large amounts of money. It seems a bank should be notified and require the ordered permission before withdrawing money.

Jon accused Kate of hiding money from him a while ago, 80,000 I think. Kate had quickly put it in a trust for the kids (lucky them), but if it's not an irrevocable trust, she can use that money for herself but Jon can't touch it.

According to Team Jon, they found $100,000 hidden in the house, and information on a safety deposit box where they believe she stashed even more money. And the trust is apparently revocable, but since everything monetary is under Kate's control, Jon can't touch that. Which is why I'm quite baffled about this missing $200,000. :confused3

I don't know how much money people in the US can withdraw at once, but we'd never be allowed to do that here in Canada -- the bank would have to be notified about a week in advance, and both signatories to an account would have to verify the withdrawal (this is due to tighter banking restrictions that were introduced after 9/11)
 
I don't think it was 4 cars that Jon bought --

According to what I've read, in the least year he's had a Mercedes ML350, a Nissan Nismo 350Z, a BMW M3 and a Porsche SUV.

He sure does spend a lot of time car shopping.
 
Sorry, I wasn't being snarky, but I was just giving my opinion that I don't believe Jon took or stole the money. You asked, well who took it?? I don't think anyone took it, it will all be a misunderstanding!


I hope it turns out to be just that for the kids sake.

So then, (hypothetically) there should be a filing to follow this up? It will be interesting to see if that's the case or if this was just a smoke-filled screen of crap. Wow, didn't I put that eloquently?:laughing:

I thought i was said that her lawyer would be filing in PA on Monday..I guess we'll see.

I saw the interview and someone asked him point blank "when was the last time you slept with Kate"? He answered in August. I think he meant 2008. They also asked him if he had relations with anyone since and he replied "Hailey".


I can't believe they asked that and I can't believe he answered!


It's believable to me. Most people think Kate is the way she is b/c of Jon, but I think Jon is the way he is b/c of Kate (not excusing any of it, btw). He says he went to counseling and has the bill to prove it. Kate refused to go.

And if he was always such a complete jerk and possibly unstable, well, kate married him didn't she? And then carefully chose to have 8 kids with the guy who can't keep a job and lies/cheats/steals (allegedly)?

Let's just blame them both equally. That's about right!

I can blame them both. Yes, she married him but lots of women marry men thinking they can change them. Maybe she thought having kids would make him grow up. Maybe he thought having kids would make him grow up..but as years went by he just started to feel that Kate's having kids forced him to grow up...at this stage only 2 people really know the dynamics of that marriage behind the cameras. He could love those kids to pieces but still be lamenting the loss of his youth that happened when they had all those kids. And then as he refused to change Kate got more controlling and she wasn't as much fun to be around anymore because she was getting mad at him all the time...downward spiral on both ends.

Although I just have to state that I do think Jon is a jerk and hasn't really made some big change.
 
According to Team Jon, they found $100,000 hidden in the house, and information on a safety deposit box where they believe she stashed even more money. And the trust is apparently revocable, but since everything monetary is under Kate's control, Jon can't touch that. Which is why I'm quite baffled about this missing $200,000. :confused3

I don't know how much money people in the US can withdraw at once, but we'd never be allowed to do that here in Canada -- the bank would have to be notified about a week in advance, and both signatories to an account would have to verify the withdrawal (this is due to tighter banking restrictions that were introduced after 9/11)

I worked for a bank for ten years. The only way that I can think Jon was able to pull this off was by writing a check. If he wrote a check to himself and then deposited this check at another bank then the check wouldn't me physically handled by a teller at the bank where the joint account is held. The check would instead be handled at the other bank where they don't know the restrictions of their joint account. Then this bank would submit this check for payment with all the other checks they processed that day. From that point on everything is handled electronically or by machines. So Kate's bank wouldn't be aware of the problem until Kate checked her balance. It really stinks. I hope she can get the money back.
 

According to what I've read, in the least year he's had a Mercedes ML350, a Nissan Nismo 350Z, a BMW M3 and a Porsche SUV.

He sure does spend a lot of time car shopping.

Wow -- you seem to know a lot more about cars than I do (but then again, most people do :lmao:). I do know, however, that the Mercedes SUV is leased, as was (apparently) the last car. And he is renting only 1 parking space in NYC (there was a big story about that)

So, are you saying he still owns all of these cars? Because, IMO, you can only drive one car at a time.

I can blame them both. Yes, she married him but lots of women marry men thinking they can change them. Maybe she thought having kids would make him grow up. Maybe he thought having kids would make him grow up..but as years went by he just started to feel that Kate's having kids forced him to grow up...at this stage only 2 people really know the dynamics of that marriage behind the cameras. He could love those kids to pieces but still be lamenting the loss of his youth that happened when they had all those kids. And then as he refused to change Kate got more controlling and she wasn't as much fun to be around anymore because she was getting mad at him all the time...downward spiral on both ends.

Your scenario would work except that Kate is apparently like that with everybody, not just Jon. If you haven't read it, you should go to the link about the charity fundraiser with the skaters, which was just last weekend and Jon was nowhere near it.

But I do agree with you that Kate probably thought she could change Jon, and she nearly succeeded in turning him into a preppy guy who would never go snowboarding. But IMO, unless somebody really wants to change (for example, they want to be a professional so the wife convinces him to go to college) it never really works out in the end. People aren't happy being somebody they don't want to be. Kate should have married the kind of man she wanted in the first place, because it obviously wasn't Jon.
 
I worked for a bank fir yen years. The only way that I can think Jon was able to pull this off was by writing a check. If he wrote a check to himself and then deposited this check at another bank then the check wouldn't me physically handled by a teller at the bank where the joint account is held. The check would instead be handled at the other nank where they don't know the restrictions of their joint account. Then this bank would submit this check for payment with all the other checks they processed that day. From that point on everything is handled electronically or by machines. So Kate's wouldn't be aware of the problem until Kate checked her balance. It really stinks. I hope she can get the money back.

Yes, but a check for $200,000? Don't you think the bank would be watching an amount like that leaving it's institution? Plus, it's not like they don't know the name Gosselin! :laughing: I'm having a hard time believing that Jon could have cleared out that much $ and the bank not alert Kate since it's a joint account. It's not like it was an ATM withdrawal for $200,000. Something is not adding up here. I've read reports that Kate's lawyer is planning to file papers tomorrow to retrieve the $ so we'll see what else comes of this latest circus escapade. :sad2:

ETA: Do you need to keep a minimum balance in a money market account? If so, then wouldn't they have alerted Kate that it was below before she could have even received overdraft notices?
 
Yes, but a check for $200,000? Don't you think the bank would be watching an amount like that leaving it's institution? Plus, it's not like they don't know the name Gosselin! :laughing: I'm having a hard time believing that Jon could have cleared out that much $ and the bank not alert Kate since it's a joint account. It's not like it was an ATM withdrawal for $200,000. Something is not adding up here. I've read reports that Kate's lawyer is planning to file papers tomorrow to retrieve the $ so we'll see what else comes of this latest circus escapade. :sad2:

Not when the checks are being cleared from the clearing house ( not being touched by human hands). I have seen checks clear people's accounts for a lot more than that. The computer doesn't sit and flag each person's account and other banks are not notified of each person's individual situation at other banks. If he had gone into the bank that the joint account is held and walked up to a teller and tried to withdrawal that sum of money from a joint account that has stipulations on it he would never get the money. But if he took a check from the checkbook and either wrote it to himself or someone else and then had it deposited into another bank account it would be submitted for payment (as long as the other bank didn't think the check was fake).
 
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If the account says Jon OR Kate - either can take out money without the other person's OK - If the account said and - they would both have to sign for it.
 
ETA: Do you need to keep a minimum balance in a money market account? If so, then wouldn't they have alerted Kate that it was below before she could have even received overdraft notices?

Yes, Money market accounts do have a minimum balance but the customer can bring it down to zero during the month if they want to. The minimum balance is usually an AVERAGE DAILY BALANCE. So they allow you to go down to zero during the month then at the end of the month the computer looks to see if you were under the average daily balance limit during the month. If you were then at the end of the month you are charged a fee for not staying within the limit. Also most banks will then not pay you the interest for the month since you didn't keep the minimum balance that was required. Kate would receive overdraft notices if the account went negative. But these notices are mailed and it usually is a couple days after the fact. Banks will not call you if your account goes negative so unless she checked on her account on the day it happened she wouldn't know until she received the notices in the mail.
 
I worked for a bank for ten years. The only way that I can think Jon was able to pull this off was by writing a check. If he wrote a check to himself and then deposited this check at another bank then the check wouldn't me physically handled by a teller at the bank where the joint account is held. The check would instead be handled at the other bank where they don't know the restrictions of their joint account. Then this bank would submit this check for payment with all the other checks they processed that day. From that point on everything is handled electronically or by machines. So Kate's bank wouldn't be aware of the problem until Kate checked her balance. It really stinks. I hope she can get the money back.

You'd never get away with that in Canada -- there would be a hold on the cheque for sure. I once tried to deposit 3 paycheques at the same time and got a hold on my account and a phone call from the bank for "unusual behaviour"

This whole story reminded me of what happened to one of my father's former secretaries. She got married, moved to Paris with the DH and woke up one day to find him gone and the joint bank account drained. She had to borrow money just to get a plane ticket home. :scared1:
 
If the account says Jon OR Kate - either can take out money without the other person's OK - If the account said and - they would both have to sign for it.

That is correct. But if he took a check out of the checkbook and if the check only has one signature line on it then he could sign it and do what he wants. If the checks have two signature lines on it, meaning that everytime one of them were to write a check they would both need to sign the check, then Jon would need two signatures on the check.

From my experience most people will only get one signature required on a check even if the account is AND because it can be such a hassle when they need to write a check somewhere and they are by themselves. The other thing, and I am not saying this is what Jon did, if he wrote a check to another bank anyone could really sign as the other signature and that other bank isn't going to know if the signature is genuine or not. They will only find out it is fake once there is a problem at the bank that the check was written off from. Then the bank will process fraud charges. But again, I'm not saying Jon did this. I have just seen this happen before with some joint accounts.
 
So, are you saying he still owns all of these cars? Because, IMO, you can only drive one car at a time.

I read he was unhappy with his BMW, so maybe he swapped the BMW for the Mercedes?? And the Porsche SUV -- at the time there were a bazillion articles claiming that he had actually purchased the $70,000 Porsche for Hailey. It was all, "Jon Gosselin Buys Hailey $70,000 Porsche!" I took that with a grain of salt. Maybe others know what happened with that. I find it really hard to believe he would have bought her a $70,000 vehicle. I think they just said that because she went shopping with him to pick it out and they had photos.

The hoo-ha over his cars were all about 1) they were very expensive vehicles, (so the headlines were "Jon Gosselin Spends Kids' Money"), 2) they were often flashy sports cars and cars that wouldn't seat 8 kids, so the criticism was that he was not focusing on his family -- they were cars that were more suited for a bachelor. Of course the man needs something smaller to drive in NYC -- he can't exactly drive a 12-passenger van all over Manhattan. :) But you can see how the criticisms went down.
 
You'd never get away with that in Canada -- there would be a hold on the cheque for sure. I once tried to deposit 3 paycheques at the same time and got a hold on my account and a phone call from the bank for "unusual behaviour"

This whole story reminded me of what happened to one of my father's former secretaries. She got married, moved to Paris with the DH and woke up one day to find him gone and the joint bank account drained. She had to borrow money just to get a plane ticket home. :scared1:

Checks go on hold here too but depending on if the bank is local or nonlocal determines the hold. There are also other factors that go into play when determining how long a check will go on hold. For all we know he could have deposited this check a week ago and Kate is just finding out now because things are bouncing. Who knows really. I'm just saying that he had to write a check and deposited it in another account because there would be no other way for him to get this amount of money by actually going to the bank that the joint account is held at and trying to withdraw it. They just don't give out that kind of money. If anything they would give him it in a bank check but if the account has notices on it about both needing to sign in order to withdrawl then the joint bank would never release the funds to him.
 
Yes, my brother's firm would file first and send the letter second -- but they're known to play hardball (we're one of their smallest clients, and we can only afford them because of the family discount :lmao: )

The thing that bothers me most about this is the timing. Jon got a lot of criticism last week for stopping the taping on his property on the same day TLC announced they were cutting back his role on the show, although his lawyer is able to substantiate that Jon's actions predated TLC's.

If money was in fact withdrawn from an account and Kate was getting overdraft notices, this would have been well before last week. So why bring it up now? This, plus the lawyer's letter, makes me think that TLC is actually a little worried about the future of the show (and therefore Kate is) and they have decided to do everything possible to discredit Jon. IMO, all of the skeletons are going to come out of the closet now. :scared1::scared1::scared1:

And I don't know what tactic would be best if I were in Jon's shoes -- should he respond to any allegations (a couple of posters here thought that if Jon was not guilty of taking the money he would have responded by now) or should he just keep quiet now that he has 3 interviews in the can.

Why do you think this was before last week? What did I miss?

I did have a passing thought that this could be made up to get back at Jon this morning.
 
Money Market account is a high yield savings account. I worked in the deposit operations department at a bank and I never set up a money market account where they could have checks access it so I don't know if it considered a money market checking I have never heard of that.


I have money in a Money Market account, I have checks and a Debit card for the account. I wanted something that I had access to the money, but I was getting a better interest rate.

Maybe he went into the bank and took the money out in a form of a cashier check, or bank check. I have taken money out of a bank with an account with DH because we were moving it to another bank, he did know about it. Went to the bank, got a bank check in my name. They never question me, since it was an "or" account.
 
I read he was unhappy with his BMW, so maybe he swapped the BMW for the Mercedes?? And the Porsche SUV -- at the time there were a bazillion articles claiming that he had actually purchased the $70,000 Porsche for Hailey. It was all, "Jon Gosselin Buys Hailey $70,000 Porsche!" I took that with a grain of salt. Maybe others know what happened with that. I find it really hard to believe he would have bought her a $70,000 vehicle. I think they just said that because she went shopping with him to pick it out and they had photos.

The hoo-ha over his cars were all about 1) they were very expensive vehicles, (so the headlines were "Jon Gosselin Spends Kids' Money"), 2) they were often flashy sports cars and cars that wouldn't seat 8 kids, so the criticism was that he was not focusing on his family -- they were cars that were more suited for a bachelor. Of course the man needs something smaller to drive in NYC -- he can't exactly drive a 12-passenger van all over Manhattan. :) But you can see how the criticisms went down.

Oh, that was the Porsche SUV. No, he didn't buy it and IMO if Hailey wanted a car her family could buy it for her (notice how she has her own apartment in NYC and apparently no job? -- that must be a nice trust fund). And I never understood all the criticism Jon got about buying a car -- Kate bought a new car for herself too, and I don't think there were any articles about it. And it can't seat 8 children either.

I know a lot of families where they have one large vehicle for the family outings, and at least one spouse has a small car (and often it's a sports car) for trips without the kids. IMO, Jon gets criticized for everything he does, even if it's a totally rationale or normal thing to do -- buying a car, buying a suit, etc -- the man should just stay out of the media because he will never, ever win.
 
Why do you think this was before last week? What did I miss?

I did have a passing thought that this could be made up to get back at Jon this morning.

Yeah, the timing seems pretty convenient. Too convenient. I kind of hate that I feel like I, as a member of the public, am being played by PR people.

If Kate was getting overdraft notices (which would have been in the mail) then the money would have had to have been withdrawn earlier. Mistydoodles has some great posts on how this works in your country. Many of the tabloid articles make it sound like it was taken out the day of the LKL interview. It's just one of those things that don't seem to add up in the letter that allegedly Kate's lawyer sent to Jon's lawyer in the link below:

Not sure if anyone has posted this or not. TMZ has a copy of the document Kate's lawyer sent to Jon's lawyer in regards to the withdraw of funds. Here is the link.. http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/kate_jon_gosselin_doc.pdf

Just a note, Pages 2 and 3 are in reverse order. You will need to scroll down and then back up so you can read them in order.

Yup it was, but i really needed that link again, so thanks :)
 
If Kate was getting overdraft notices (which would have been in the mail) then the money would have had to have been withdrawn earlier. Many of the tabloid articles make it sound like it was taken out the day of the LKL interview. It's just one of those things that don't seem to add up in the letter that allegedly Kate's lawyer sent to Jon's lawyer in the link below:



Yup it was, but i really needed that link again, so thanks :)

Are we sure she can only get them in the mail? I know my bank will email you overdraft notices.... just saying...

-Becca-
 
Unbelievable!!!!!!

How anyone can still make excuses for Jon is beyond me. He is such a douche bag.
 
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