Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[MAKmom]

he's a she.

It's no biggie, really. I do think some fear the thread could shut down, but everyone is usually respectful in their cyber-stalking. I enjoy reading everyone's opinion and arguing mine.

Sorry... I fixed that. You did not make a big deal out of it.
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[redrosesix]

Sorry -- a tangent.

In the promo for the ET interview, Jon is adamant that the twins' 9th birthday party (which I guess is soon) will not be filmed. Any thoughts on this?

I'm wondering how he can guarantee this even if it falls on one of his custody days, knowing that Kate could easily take them off property on another day to have a birthday party. I'm also wondering whether the twins may have asked for a "normal" birthday party (given that the taping of the tups' last birthday party reportedly took all day, what with the retakes, camera changes, etc)

 

[PixieDust32]

Jon demands to be off tv and all he does is going from tv show to tv show. he is a joke, all he wants is $$$

 

[mrsksomeday]

Sorry -- a tangent.

In the promo for the ET interview, Jon is adamant that the twins' 9th birthday party (which I guess is soon) will not be filmed. Any thoughts on this?

I'm wondering how he can guarantee this even if it falls on one of his custody days, knowing that Kate could easily take them off property on another day to have a birthday party. I'm also wondering whether the twins may have asked for a "normal" birthday party (given that the taping of the tups' last birthday party reportedly took all day, what with the retakes, camera changes, etc)

I hope they don't tape the twins birthday party, can you imagine how many parents that wouldn't let their kids go because of the cameras? I wouldn't.

 

[LoraJ]

Jon demands to be off tv and all he does is going from tv show to tv show. he is a joke, all he wants is $$$

Yup!!!

 

[redrosesix]

I hope they don't tape the twins birthday party, can you imagine how many parents that wouldn't let their kids go because of the cameras? I wouldn't.

Good point -- neither would I. And if I were the Gosselins, I'd have to wonder about the motives of the parents who would let their children be there (but maybe they don't/didn't get that)

Which makes me think, regardless of what Jon's motives are, 10 years from now when his kids find all of these interviews on the internet, it might make them happy to see him saying repeatedly how much he loves them, that he wants them to have a chance to have a normal childhood, that he wants to err on the side of caution, etc. Whether he is saying these things because it's good PR, or because he truly means them may not be important. The only people he really needs to impress are his kids, and maybe if he says he loves his kids on camera enough that might make up for the "bye bye 20's" comment. Just saying.

But that is only assuming he remains consistent and doesn't change tactics once this chapter has finished. I'm going to take a wait and see attitude and hope for the best.

 

[mhsjax]

Then why would he need to say that to you all the time? It sounded like a threat.

Not that I owe you any explanation of my conversations with my hubby, but here goes. He doesn't say it "all the time' that was a figure of speech. He says it when he hears me watching Jon and Kate, and I ususally open up the conversation by saying she is such a witch, I can't believe she talks to him like that. We have our share of heated arguments and I do say things to him that are not nice at all. In fact he is much nicer than I am. But we both agree that in public we would never do that, WE say that of people we see fighting in public. She is just way to bossy for our taste and it is rude. And that is all I am going to say about that.

 

[luv2mickey]

If Jon was serious about protecting his kids before he took their lively hood away wouldn't he have a job in place so he could feed his family? This is about getting more money out of TLC so he can maintain a lifestyle.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

ITA, and that is the real issue here. All week we've been blasted by PR people and tabloid press writers trying to discredit Jon, but does that make taking the kids off the show any less important or reasonable? IMO, whether people like Jon or not, he is their father and they love him. I'm sure he loves those kids too. So I'm tending not to judge his motives (since I don't know what they are) and trying to celebrate this small victory for the kids.

In the promo for the ET interview, Jon says the kids have talked to him about going to summer camp, having normal friends, having sleepovers, being able to walk to the school bus without reporters following them. This is probably true, since the twins are old enough to know that their lives are very different from other children, and who wouldn't want to do what their friends do? So, with the taping stopped, maybe they will get to do some of these things, and maybe even Kate will see that that is good for her kids. Like Jon said on LKL, he doesn't know what their lives would be like without the show.

If this is true, then Kate is just unbelievable. I'm sure if the kids are telling Jon this, then they're telling Kate the same. How sad. Those kids shouldn't have to choose between these 2 lives...one where they have to perform on tv and one where they can be regular kids. Why can't Kate see that?

Sorry -- a tangent.

In the promo for the ET interview, Jon is adamant that the twins' 9th birthday party (which I guess is soon) will not be filmed. Any thoughts on this?

I'm wondering how he can guarantee this even if it falls on one of his custody days, knowing that Kate could easily take them off property on another day to have a birthday party. I'm also wondering whether the twins may have asked for a "normal" birthday party (given that the taping of the tups' last birthday party reportedly took all day, what with the retakes, camera changes, etc)

I'm wondering if Kate's idea of asking the kids if they want to continue the show and Jon's way of asking them are 2 totally different things.

Jon demands to be off tv and all he does is going from tv show to tv show. he is a joke, all he wants is $$$

Right, and Kate going on tv all over the place isn't about $. I'm sure People Magazine, the Today Show, LKL, and The View has nothing to do with Kate promoting the show in order to make more $. I'm also sure that all of Kate's appearances at events/home shows/conventions has nothing to do with $ either.

 

[Luvmy4boys]

Kate will be interviewed by Meredith Viera Monday on the Today show.

(Sorry if this was already posted)

 

[kidshop]

If Jon was serious about protecting his kids before he took their lively hood away wouldn't he have a job in place so he could feed his family? This is about getting more money out of TLC so he can maintain a lifestyle.

Jon wants to do other things but TLC won't let him do other networks, they have him on 'exclusive contract'. I think he may be getting sued for breach of contract for going on LKL, that part was kind of fuzzy. There is no going back to TLC at this point, IMO, that bridge is gone for Jon. And if he does, then we know for sure the motive and Jon would be the sorriest excuse for a father ever.

 

[redrosesix]

Not that I owe you any explanation of my conversations with my hubby, but here goes. He doesn't say it "all the time' that was a figure of speech. He says it when he hears me watching Jon and Kate, and I ususally open up the conversation by saying she is such a witch, I can't believe she talks to him like that. We have our share of heated arguments and I do say things to him that are not nice at all. In fact he is much nicer than I am. But we both agree that in public we would never do that, WE say that of people we see fighting in public. She is just way to bossy for our taste and it is rude. And that is all I am going to say about that.

Well, I know what you meant. My DH has said the same thing about the way Kate talked to Jon, and I would have left DH a long time ago if he had talked to me like that especially in front of my DD or in public.

For me, it became even more important for us to treat each other respectfully in front of my DD -- like most things (including eating vegetables) what parents do in front of their kids gives them permission to act the same way. I don't know what schools in the US are like, but if Mady or Cara acted the way I've seen them act on the show at school, they'd have been to the principal's office by now. There is zero tolerance for speaking to the teacher like that, hitting other kids, etc. Maybe that's why they're in private school? And any kid who talks like that to their classmates would find themselves without friends pretty quickly.

 

[redrosesix]

Jon wants to do other things but TLC won't let him do other networks, they have him on 'exclusive contract'. I think he may be getting sued for breach of contract for going on LKL, that part was kind of fuzzy. There is no going back to TLC at this point, IMO, that bridge is gone for Jon. And if he does, then we know for sure the motive and Jon would be the sorriest excuse for a father ever.

Yes, he is. TLC's letter to him (sent Sept. 25th, 4 days before they announced the changes in the show) clearly stated that Jon should not do LKL or he would be in breach of contract. They reiterated this on Oct. 2nd, the day of the show, after they demanded (and got) equal time on LKL for Kate's rep.

But I think Jon's lawyer is going to try to bury them in paperwork, file a counter claim and hope that TLC walks away from the breach of contract suit (which is a lesser issue). I actually talked with my brother about this (apparently a lot of the lawyers at his office were following this last week -- weird what lawyers will do for fun). He said that if TLC really thought they had a case, they'd have asked for an injunction against Jon and any networks planning to televise an interview with him (as they may have done with one of Jon's previous interviews -- was that on E!?). He and his co-workers think that TLC probably realize they've missed something or they'd be doing a lot more than simply trying to discredit Jon. But we don't live in PA, not even in the US, so I realize the courts might act differently there. But his firm is fairly large, does a lot of entertainment and business law, as well as international work, so I'm tending to believe this.

The other issue is how the contract for the show is worded -- if Jon was only paid as part of the Gosselin family (as he stated on LKL) then TLC may not be able to sue him as an individual ie. they would also be suing Kate for Jon's breach of contract, and it's not likely that TLC would want to do that.

 

[kidshop]

Yes, he is. TLC's letter to him (sent Sept. 25th, 4 days before they announced the changes in the show) clearly stated that Jon should not do LKL or he would be in breach of contract. They reiterated this on Oct. 2nd, the day of the show, after they demanded (and got) equal time on LKL for Kate's rep.

But I think Jon's lawyer is going to try to bury them in paperwork, file a counter claim and hope that TLC walks away from the breach of contract suit (which is a lesser issue). I actually talked with my brother about this (apparently a lot of the lawyers at his office were following this last week -- weird what lawyers will do for fun). He said that if TLC really thought they had a case, they'd have asked for an injunction against Jon and any networks planning to televise an interview with him (as they may have done with one of Jon's previous interviews -- was that on E!?). He and his co-workers think that TLC probably realize they've missed something or they'd be doing a lot more than simply trying to discredit Jon. But we don't live in PA, not even in the US, so I realize the courts might act differently there. But his firm is fairly large, does a lot of entertainment and business law, as well as international work, so I'm tending to believe this.

The other issue is how the contract for the show is worded -- if Jon was only paid as part of the Gosselin family (as he stated on LKL) then TLC may not be able to sue him as an individual ie. they would also be suing Kate for Jon's breach of contract, and it's not likely that TLC would want to do that.

That's really interesting! I agree that Jon and his lawyer have something or they would have just shut him down and continued on. I wonder if what is the missing is the Labor Dept, investigation. On LKL, the one guy from E! said they were told it was ongoing and hadn't been decided yet.

 

[Nancy]

I hope they don't tape the twins birthday party, can you imagine how many parents that wouldn't let their kids go because of the cameras? I wouldn't.

More the opposite...how many would send their kids because it was being taped...plus they have had taped parties before for the 6 kids and there managed to be kids there. Kate and Jon both said that if the twins did not want to be part of taping on any given day they didn't have to...I'm thinking the same would be for their birthday too.

Well, I know what you meant. My DH has said the same thing about the way Kate talked to Jon, and I would have left DH a long time ago if he had talked to me like that especially in front of my DD or in public.

For me, it became even more important for us to treat each other respectfully in front of my DD -- like most things (including eating vegetables) what parents do in front of their kids gives them permission to act the same way. I don't know what schools in the US are like, but if Mady or Cara acted the way I've seen them act on the show at school, they'd have been to the principal's office by now. There is zero tolerance for speaking to the teacher like that, hitting other kids, etc. Maybe that's why they're in private school? And any kid who talks like that to their classmates would find themselves without friends pretty quickly.

I just remember that we only saw bits and pieces of edited portions of their life. If someone go to pick and choose what portions of my life people saw they would probably saying the same things about how my husband and I are. Most would probably say the same "I would divorce him/her in a minute" too. BUT we are hitting 25 years, I think our life is fine and my kids although they fought, hit and screamed when they were younger all managed to behave in school and in public and get along now that they are older.

 

[Nancy]

Yes, he is. TLC's letter to him (sent Sept. 25th, 4 days before they announced the changes in the show) clearly stated that Jon should not do LKL or he would be in breach of contract. They reiterated this on Oct. 2nd, the day of the show, after they demanded (and got) equal time on LKL for Kate's rep.

But I think Jon's lawyer is going to try to bury them in paperwork, file a counter claim and hope that TLC walks away from the breach of contract suit (which is a lesser issue). I actually talked with my brother about this (apparently a lot of the lawyers at his office were following this last week -- weird what lawyers will do for fun). He said that if TLC really thought they had a case, they'd have asked for an injunction against Jon and any networks planning to televise an interview with him (as they may have done with one of Jon's previous interviews -- was that on E!?). He and his co-workers think that TLC probably realize they've missed something or they'd be doing a lot more than simply trying to discredit Jon. But we don't live in PA, not even in the US, so I realize the courts might act differently there. But his firm is fairly large, does a lot of entertainment and business law, as well as international work, so I'm tending to believe this.

The other issue is how the contract for the show is worded -- if Jon was only paid as part of the Gosselin family (as he stated on LKL) then TLC may not be able to sue him as an individual ie. they would also be suing Kate for Jon's breach of contract, and it's not likely that TLC would want to do that.

That's interesting. The TLC lawyers are probably going over their contracts with a fine tooth comb. Makes me wonder how they were written up...if it is "family" can they really boot him off the show?

 

[mousey]

I don't blame Jon for going on these different shows giving interviews. It was alright when Kate did it and took the "high road"!
If anyone believes that Kate gives those kids a choice as to whether or not they want to tape, I will sell you some ocean front property in Kansas! Seriously, Kate is telling those kids if we don't do this we will be stuck in this house 24/7 with no vacations or no fun! One thing TLC forgot is that the show has been getting more boring as each week goes by. Every show with Kate was "staged". At least Jon's seemed like they were doing real things with their father! So as a last ditch effort, they boot Jon and change the name of the show??

I wonder if TLC is paying Kate's lawyer fees since they seem to be courting her! If there not, K & J will end up in bankruptcy because all the money will go to the lawyers!

 

[mrsksomeday]

More the opposite...how many would send their kids because it was being taped...plus they have had taped parties before for the 6 kids and there managed to be kids there. Kate and Jon both said that if the twins did not want to be part of taping on any given day they didn't have to...I'm thinking the same would be for their birthday too.

The madness is on a whole other level now between Jon and Kate with girlfriends, allegations of affairs, TLC threatening to sue him, dueling tv interviews, etc.

Remember when Jon and Kate said they would be together for holidays? I wonder if that means another completely awkward birthday party like the 6 little ones had earlier this year. I wouldn't want my kids anywhere near that trainwreck .

 

[barkley]

i suspect that if tlc had a real argument all they would have had to do was point that out to lkl and it would have blocked the interview.

depending on how the contract was written up (and it sounds from jon's lawyer that it was a group type of contract not individual ones for j/k/the kids) then jon would have the argument that tlc's 'past practices' have not prohibited he or kate from engaging in interviews or participation on other shows-and that their current practices are to continue to allow kate to do these appearances. he can show how tlc has apparantly facilitated (via filming schedualing) kate's appearances on lkl, the view, dr. phil and all the other shows she's been on recently. also-what does it say about an exclusivity clause in a contract if kate's been allowed to film a trial or pilot episode of a new show with paula dean? that show has'nt been indicated to have a tie-in with tlc.

many of the larry king type shows don't pay for interviews so it could also be that he's not truly in violation unless he's being paid for participation on a particular FILMED show. the appearances at clubs and such where he would be compensated could be entirely allowed within their contract (and i suspect they are because j&k both did their very lucrative paid appearances at churches, tradeshows and other events which tlc apparantly had no problem with during the duration of the series).

 

[Nancy]

The madness is on a whole other level now between Jon and Kate with girlfriends, allegations of affairs, TLC threatening to sue him, dueling tv interviews, etc.

Remember when Jon and Kate said they would be together for holidays? I wonder if that means another completely awkward birthday party like the 6 little ones had earlier this year. I wouldn't want my kids anywhere near that trainwreck .

true, I hadn't thought of it that way.