Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[missypie]

The lawyer in me just has to have sympathy for Jon's divorce lawyer, whoever he or she may be...his life in the past few months cannot be helping his legal case.

 

[Eeyore'sthebest]

The lawyer in me just has to have sympathy for Jon's divorce lawyer, whoever he or she may be...his life in the past few months cannot be helping his legal case.

I'm not an attorney but I was thinking the same thing.

His legal bills must be astronomical. My DSis had a relatively amicable divorce (her ex was cheating and he was willing to sign anything to get out - oops, he really should have read those docs first ) Anyway, as I was saying DSis had an easy divorce and it still cost her thousands!!! I can only imagine what this is running.

 

[madge]

I have the radio on, listening to a news radio station. They mentioned Jon's interview and played a clip. He was asked about Kate still wearing her wedding ring, and why doesn't he wear his ring. He said Kate took his ring! The interviewer said - huh? and Jon said something like he took his ring off and put it down somewhere, and the next day it was missing.

I really don't think he handles himself well in interviews, comments, etc.

Here's my 2 cents about Jon Gosselin ...

He meets Kate @ age 20, is attracted to her, loves her, and they marry. Jon admits in the interview that he liked that she knew what she wanted in life. So he's hip to the marriage & family thing. The first time. Kate admits on the show, and in speaking engagements that she had to convince him to try again. OK, whatever .. so they try again. And here they are with all these kids. He's lazy enough and she's driven enough to make a dangerous combination ... and the next thing you know, Jon is using work time to his benefit by soliciting donations/freebies for the family. At some point, the idea of shopping the show comes up and Jon & Kate Plus 8 is born. In a very short amount of time, there's money coming in. Knowing what we know now, Kate was tight with the money. Jon probably wanted to spend the money and felt resentment towards Kate that she wasn't letting him spend what he feels he's earned. There's little doubt that both of their personalities have changed by this point (given that Jon said they worked better together before the show) and growing resentment from Jon doesn't help. He wants out, Kate continues to work and is away from home a lot ... it's just a recipe for disaster, IMO. I get the impression that they're BOTH hot heads, which makes a bad situation worse. In the midst of all of this, Jon and Kate are trying to continue the charade of a happy family. Something happened late last year or early this year to make that come to a screeching halt.

With all that said, I think Jon has become impulsive, if he wasn't before all this. I think he's like a caged animal who doesn't know what to do when let out of the cage. He's doing what he wants, saying the first thing that comes to his mind .. obviously not thinking about what he's doing or the consequences of his actions. Whatever therapy he's had doesn't seem to have helped him control his impulses or his anger. This interview is the first time he's really had the chance to sit down with someone who hasn't spoken to Kate first. He's got a lot of ground to cover. He's extremely emotional, I think. I find his emotion compelling. However, I would find him a lot easier to take if he quit whining about the loss of his 20's. I had my first child at 21. I survived.

I'll be watching tonight. I've read there was 3 hours of footage shot. I wonder how much of what was cut will surface at a later time.

 

[madge]

Kate's angry ....

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/exclusive-kate-furious-jon’s-cheating-charge

 

[momrek06]

I think sometimes some men just are not on the same page or wave length as their women....that being said I have a 27yo son. He is a professional, has a bachelors and a masters degree and a very good paying job in San Diego AND there is NO WAY on God's green earth could my 27yo son be the father of 8 kids. Today his life is consumed by surfing after work each week day and partying with all his college alumni on Pacific Beach, San Diego each weekend. Jon, IMHO, was too young for all this. It shows so much with the pierced diamond earrings, the Ed Hardy apparel, the studio in NYC... He is trying hard to be young again ESP with the fact his GF is about 10 years younger than he is....

 

[mrsksomeday]

Here's my 2 cents about Jon Gosselin ...

He meets Kate @ age 20, is attracted to her, loves her, and they marry. Jon admits in the interview that he liked that she knew what she wanted in life. So he's hip to the marriage & family thing. The first time. Kate admits on the show, and in speaking engagements that she had to convince him to try again. OK, whatever .. so they try again. And here they are with all these kids. He's lazy enough and she's driven enough to make a dangerous combination ... and the next thing you know, Jon is using work time to his benefit by soliciting donations/freebies for the family. At some point, the idea of shopping the show comes up and Jon & Kate Plus 8 is born. In a very short amount of time, there's money coming in. Knowing what we know now, Kate was tight with the money. Jon probably wanted to spend the money and felt resentment towards Kate that she wasn't letting him spend what he feels he's earned. There's little doubt that both of their personalities have changed by this point (given that Jon said they worked better together before the show) and growing resentment from Jon doesn't help. He wants out, Kate continues to work and is away from home a lot ... it's just a recipe for disaster, IMO. I get the impression that they're BOTH hot heads, which makes a bad situation worse. In the midst of all of this, Jon and Kate are trying to continue the charade of a happy family. Something happened late last year or early this year to make that come to a screeching halt.

With all that said, I think Jon has become impulsive, if he wasn't before all this. I think he's like a caged animal who doesn't know what to do when let out of the cage. He's doing what he wants, saying the first thing that comes to his mind .. obviously not thinking about what he's doing or the consequences of his actions. Whatever therapy he's had doesn't seem to have helped him control his impulses or his anger. This interview is the first time he's really had the chance to sit down with someone who hasn't spoken to Kate first. He's got a lot of ground to cover. He's extremely emotional, I think. I find his emotion compelling. However, I would find him a lot easier to take if he quit whining about the loss of his 20's. I had my first child at 21. I survived.

I'll be watching tonight. I've read there was 3 hours of footage shot. I wonder how much of what was cut will surface at a later time.

Great post Madge!

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Here's my 2 cents about Jon Gosselin ...

He meets Kate @ age 20, is attracted to her, loves her, and they marry. Jon admits in the interview that he liked that she knew what she wanted in life. So he's hip to the marriage & family thing. The first time. Kate admits on the show, and in speaking engagements that she had to convince him to try again. OK, whatever .. so they try again. And here they are with all these kids. He's lazy enough and she's driven enough to make a dangerous combination ... and the next thing you know, Jon is using work time to his benefit by soliciting donations/freebies for the family. At some point, the idea of shopping the show comes up and Jon & Kate Plus 8 is born. In a very short amount of time, there's money coming in. Knowing what we know now, Kate was tight with the money. Jon probably wanted to spend the money and felt resentment towards Kate that she wasn't letting him spend what he feels he's earned. There's little doubt that both of their personalities have changed by this point (given that Jon said they worked better together before the show) and growing resentment from Jon doesn't help. He wants out, Kate continues to work and is away from home a lot ... it's just a recipe for disaster, IMO. I get the impression that they're BOTH hot heads, which makes a bad situation worse. In the midst of all of this, Jon and Kate are trying to continue the charade of a happy family. Something happened late last year or early this year to make that come to a screeching halt.

With all that said, I think Jon has become impulsive, if he wasn't before all this. I think he's like a caged animal who doesn't know what to do when let out of the cage. He's doing what he wants, saying the first thing that comes to his mind .. obviously not thinking about what he's doing or the consequences of his actions. Whatever therapy he's had doesn't seem to have helped him control his impulses or his anger. This interview is the first time he's really had the chance to sit down with someone who hasn't spoken to Kate first. He's got a lot of ground to cover. He's extremely emotional, I think. I find his emotion compelling. However, I would find him a lot easier to take if he quit whining about the loss of his 20's. I had my first child at 21. I survived.

I'll be watching tonight. I've read there was 3 hours of footage shot. I wonder how much of what was cut will surface at a later time.

I think you are spot on, Madge.

 

[Buckalew11]

Here's my 2 cents about Jon Gosselin ...

He meets Kate @ age 20, is attracted to her, loves her, and they marry. Jon admits in the interview that he liked that she knew what she wanted in life. So he's hip to the marriage & family thing. The first time. Kate admits on the show, and in speaking engagements that she had to convince him to try again. OK, whatever .. so they try again. And here they are with all these kids. He's lazy enough and she's driven enough to make a dangerous combination ... and the next thing you know, Jon is using work time to his benefit by soliciting donations/freebies for the family. At some point, the idea of shopping the show comes up and Jon & Kate Plus 8 is born. In a very short amount of time, there's money coming in. Knowing what we know now, Kate was tight with the money. Jon probably wanted to spend the money and felt resentment towards Kate that she wasn't letting him spend what he feels he's earned. There's little doubt that both of their personalities have changed by this point (given that Jon said they worked better together before the show) and growing resentment from Jon doesn't help. He wants out, Kate continues to work and is away from home a lot ... it's just a recipe for disaster, IMO. I get the impression that they're BOTH hot heads, which makes a bad situation worse. In the midst of all of this, Jon and Kate are trying to continue the charade of a happy family. Something happened late last year or early this year to make that come to a screeching halt.

With all that said, I think Jon has become impulsive, if he wasn't before all this. I think he's like a caged animal who doesn't know what to do when let out of the cage. He's doing what he wants, saying the first thing that comes to his mind .. obviously not thinking about what he's doing or the consequences of his actions. Whatever therapy he's had doesn't seem to have helped him control his impulses or his anger. This interview is the first time he's really had the chance to sit down with someone who hasn't spoken to Kate first. He's got a lot of ground to cover. He's extremely emotional, I think. I find his emotion compelling. However, I would find him a lot easier to take if he quit whining about the loss of his 20's. I had my first child at 21. I survived.

I'll be watching tonight. I've read there was 3 hours of footage shot. I wonder how much of what was cut will surface at a later time.

Excellent post, IMO. I think that sums a lot of it up.

 

[Buckalew11]

I think it sad for Jon to talk about losing his 20s but he's made that claim during this over and over. Didn't we all (who married in our 20s) "lose" our 20s? If you are married you don't act like a single person does. I don't get his arguement at all. If you had kids in your 20s, your life really changes. His is a ridiculous complaint to me.

And so, Kate wouldn't "let" him go out? And he stood up to her by going
out" and doing guy stuff? Is that what he says happened?

 

[mousey]

Here's my 2 cents about Jon Gosselin ...

He meets Kate @ age 20, is attracted to her, loves her, and they marry. Jon admits in the interview that he liked that she knew what she wanted in life. So he's hip to the marriage & family thing. The first time. Kate admits on the show, and in speaking engagements that she had to convince him to try again. OK, whatever .. so they try again. And here they are with all these kids. He's lazy enough and she's driven enough to make a dangerous combination ... and the next thing you know, Jon is using work time to his benefit by soliciting donations/freebies for the family. At some point, the idea of shopping the show comes up and Jon & Kate Plus 8 is born. In a very short amount of time, there's money coming in. Knowing what we know now, Kate was tight with the money. Jon probably wanted to spend the money and felt resentment towards Kate that she wasn't letting him spend what he feels he's earned. There's little doubt that both of their personalities have changed by this point (given that Jon said they worked better together before the show) and growing resentment from Jon doesn't help. He wants out, Kate continues to work and is away from home a lot ... it's just a recipe for disaster, IMO. I get the impression that they're BOTH hot heads, which makes a bad situation worse. In the midst of all of this, Jon and Kate are trying to continue the charade of a happy family. Something happened late last year or early this year to make that come to a screeching halt.

With all that said, I think Jon has become impulsive, if he wasn't before all this. I think he's like a caged animal who doesn't know what to do when let out of the cage. He's doing what he wants, saying the first thing that comes to his mind .. obviously not thinking about what he's doing or the consequences of his actions. Whatever therapy he's had doesn't seem to have helped him control his impulses or his anger. This interview is the first time he's really had the chance to sit down with someone who hasn't spoken to Kate first. He's got a lot of ground to cover. He's extremely emotional, I think. I find his emotion compelling. However, I would find him a lot easier to take if he quit whining about the loss of his 20's. I had my first child at 21. I survived.

I'll be watching tonight. I've read there was 3 hours of footage shot. I wonder how much of what was cut will surface at a later time.

You hit it right on the money!!!!!

 

[redrosesix]

I think it sad for Jon to talk about losing his 20s but he's made that claim during this over and over. Didn't we all (who married in our 20s) "lose" our 20s? If you are married you don't act like a single person does. I don't get his arguement at all. If you had kids in your 20s, your life really changes. His is a ridiculous complaint to me.

And so, Kate wouldn't "let" him go out? And he stood up to her by going
out" and doing guy stuff? Is that what he says happened?

I guess so. I can see it being possible

And I think that when he's talking about Kate not saying the same thing in public as in private, he's talking about her going everywhere stating that he asked for the separation and the divorce -- IMO, his version makes more sense to me, especially since I think he was living over the garage by that time.

BTW, I lost my 20's in university and grad school -- it wasn't that much fun, really. I limited myself to 1 hr of TV per week and 1 movie per term. But it seems like everyone who didn't go to college thinks it's just like Animal House -- it certainly isn't if you plan to get a good job afterwards.

 

[redrosesix]

Just going by what is written here (I didn't watch) I don't think Jon did anything worse than Kate has already done. She trashed him over and over via People mag and TV interviews for weeks now. Yep, she was more quiet about it and more subtle, but is there any doubt she has depised Jon for years based on her behavior toward him on the show that got nastier and nastier? The aliens, the 15 y/o comment, the hope she would one day meet a real man...all equally as bad as Jon saying he couldn't sit next to someone he despised right now.

Jon has up until now not said one thing against Kate. She has been all over talking about Jon, but somehow that has already been forgotten.

I also wanted to add that Jon seemed to have feelings for Kate (jealous of the bodyguard, going to counseling, using a strong word..despise) suggesting to me that he did love her recently. Kate has moved on to indifference if she ever really did love him. It seems easy for her to leave people behind (all those she has apparently cut out of her life), where Jon is MAD. He is completely inappropriate, but I do think he is being honest....way too honest, but it all follows along with what he has said happened. Kate decided they were done. He's headed down the path to destruction all we can do it watch him do it to himself.

I think you're absolutely right, but two wrongs don't make a right. I just really, really, really wanted one of them to take the high road. Jon was doing pretty good at that until lately.

As for Kate being furious about what Jon said in the interview, she's already living in a glass house. Does she forget that we can google all of her interviews?

 

[kidshop]

I think you're absolutely right, but two wrongs don't make a right. I just really, really, really wanted one of them to take the high road. Jon was doing pretty good at that until lately.

As for Kate being furious about what Jon said in the interview, she's already living in a glass house. Does she forget that we can google all of her interviews?

yes, Kate likes to spout about how she's keeping things quiet. But the only thing she is quiet about is herself, she talks about Jon and the kids (the private things) all the time!

From the link Madge posted about kate being angry:

"She believes she hasn’t done anything to poison them against their father but thinks Jon’s comments have crossed the line."

What about all the the horrible things she said to and about him on the show? What about the statement that she had to file for divorce to protect the children?!

she can believe what she wants, but I guessing she has done her share of poisoning and some of that may not even be recorded for the public.

 

[walden]

yes, Kate likes to spout about how she's keeping things quiet. But the only thing she is quiet about is herself, she talks about Jon and the kids (the private things) all the time!

From the link Madge posted about kate being angry:

"She believes she hasn’t done anything to poison them against their father but thinks Jon’s comments have crossed the line."

What about all the the horrible things she said to and about him on the show? What about the statement that she had to file for divorce to protect the children?!

she can believe what she wants, but I guessing she has done her share of poisoning and some of that may not even be recorded for the public.

Yep! She has certainly done her share already. Let's see: Today x 2, Larry King X 2 . . . I'm not commenting on Jon's interview this am, because I didn't see it. I'm trying to stay awake to see Primetime, but it is way past my bedtime.

Somehow I wonder whether any of this could be a surprise to the kids. They must have seen some nasty quarrels, to go along with Mom berating Dad on the show.

Just saying

 

[figment52]

Kate's angry ....

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/exclusive-kate-furious-jon’s-cheating-charge

I can't hold this back any longer - the smile on that picture of Kate drives me crazy. It is so fake looking. Most of her photos have a fake looking smile and it drives me nuts but this one has always bothered me, probably because the photo is used so often.

Jon has many fake looking smiles too but they don't bother me as much as Kate's do.

Not must of a contribution to this thread but thank you for letting me get this out. It has bugged me for months.

I still want to know what the big event was that caused Kate to file to "protect the children".

I am happy to know that Jon's family does still spend time with Jon and the kids.

 

[redrosesix]

Yep! She has certainly done her share already. Let's see: Today x 2, Larry King X 2 . . . I'm not commenting on Jon's interview this am, because I didn't see it. I'm trying to stay awake to see Primetime, but it is way past my bedtime.

Somehow I wonder whether any of this could be a surprise to the kids. They must have seen some nasty quarrels, to go along with Mom berating Dad on the show.

Just saying

Don't forget all of the articles in People.

 

[madge]

from Jon's Twitter:

jongosselin1 Feeling a little relieved to get everything off my chest. Miss the kids though, back to school for them

 

[redrosesix]

from Jon's Twitter:

He wouldn't be saying that if he was reading this thread. It would be more like: "OMG What have I done?"

 

[DreaGirl]

Here's my 2 cents about Jon Gosselin ...

He meets Kate @ age 20, is attracted to her, loves her, and they marry. Jon admits in the interview that he liked that she knew what she wanted in life. So he's hip to the marriage & family thing. The first time. Kate admits on the show, and in speaking engagements that she had to convince him to try again. OK, whatever .. so they try again. And here they are with all these kids. He's lazy enough and she's driven enough to make a dangerous combination ... and the next thing you know, Jon is using work time to his benefit by soliciting donations/freebies for the family. At some point, the idea of shopping the show comes up and Jon & Kate Plus 8 is born. In a very short amount of time, there's money coming in. Knowing what we know now, Kate was tight with the money. Jon probably wanted to spend the money and felt resentment towards Kate that she wasn't letting him spend what he feels he's earned. There's little doubt that both of their personalities have changed by this point (given that Jon said they worked better together before the show) and growing resentment from Jon doesn't help. He wants out, Kate continues to work and is away from home a lot ... it's just a recipe for disaster, IMO. I get the impression that they're BOTH hot heads, which makes a bad situation worse. In the midst of all of this, Jon and Kate are trying to continue the charade of a happy family. Something happened late last year or early this year to make that come to a screeching halt.

With all that said, I think Jon has become impulsive, if he wasn't before all this. I think he's like a caged animal who doesn't know what to do when let out of the cage. He's doing what he wants, saying the first thing that comes to his mind .. obviously not thinking about what he's doing or the consequences of his actions. Whatever therapy he's had doesn't seem to have helped him control his impulses or his anger. This interview is the first time he's really had the chance to sit down with someone who hasn't spoken to Kate first. He's got a lot of ground to cover. He's extremely emotional, I think. I find his emotion compelling. However, I would find him a lot easier to take if he quit whining about the loss of his 20's. I had my first child at 21. I survived.

I'll be watching tonight. I've read there was 3 hours of footage shot. I wonder how much of what was cut will surface at a later time.

Great post Madge. I think you summed up everything very well.

I have it set to record on the DVR.

yes, Kate likes to spout about how she's keeping things quiet. But the only thing she is quiet about is herself, she talks about Jon and the kids (the private things) all the time!

From the link Madge posted about kate being angry:

"She believes she hasn’t done anything to poison them against their father but thinks Jon’s comments have crossed the line."

What about all the the horrible things she said to and about him on the show? What about the statement that she had to file for divorce to protect the children?!

she can believe what she wants, but I guessing she has done her share of poisoning and some of that may not even be recorded for the public.

TOTALLY AGREE!

Don't forget all of the articles in People.

I'm sure there will be a new one next week with "sad" Kate on the cover.

He wouldn't be saying that if he was reading this thread. It would be more like: "OMG What have I done?"

I thought Kate was the only one that read this thread.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I think it sad for Jon to talk about losing his 20s but he's made that claim during this over and over. Didn't we all (who married in our 20s) "lose" our 20s? If you are married you don't act like a single person does. I don't get his arguement at all. If you had kids in your 20s, your life really changes. His is a ridiculous complaint to me.

And so, Kate wouldn't "let" him go out? And he stood up to her by going
out" and doing guy stuff? Is that what he says happened?

No kidding. If you're married in your early 20's you can't be single still. Add kids to the mix and you really need to be responsible. Geez, I don't know why he doesn't get that. Boy, he sure showed Kate...he stood up for himself by going to bars to hang out with college chicks, hit up college parties and hang out with 22 year old Deanna and her skanky brother. Nice.

Yep! She has certainly done her share already. Let's see: Today x 2, Larry King X 2 . . . I'm not commenting on Jon's interview this am, because I didn't see it. I'm trying to stay awake to see Primetime, but it is way past my bedtime.

Somehow I wonder whether any of this could be a surprise to the kids. They must have seen some nasty quarrels, to go along with Mom berating Dad on the show.

Just saying

I agree, I'm sure the kids have witnessed many fights between J&K. That part is very regrettable, I can empathize with the kids in that respect having seen some scary fights between my own parents before they divorced. However, J&K had the choice to keep this whole divorce mess out of the limelight and for selfish reasons, they didn't. That is ridiculous. IMO Kate wanted to keep her image 'clean' for the show and so she's done numerous interviews. Jon on the other hand seems to be speaking out to hurt Kate regardless of his kid's feelings. Both are immature if they can't see that by doing all these interviews and fence meetings it is making more of a circus that the kids will have to plough through at some point.

I'm sure there will be a new one next week with "sad" Kate on the cover.

I thought Kate was the only one that read this thread.

Maybe Jon should start reading it too! And I agree, there will be a new People Mag. cover soon to combat Jon's interview. Why can't they just be quiet and stop trying to prove the other one wrong? How many covers between the 2 of them have their been? At least a dozen I'd guess.