Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[newtodis]

It says at the bottom of the "article" that the story is a spoof and entirely fictional.

Thanks for pointing that out - I didn't even see it!

 

[disneychrista]

It says at the bottom of the "article" that the story is a spoof and entirely fictional.

Well the websites name is THESPOOF.COM....

 

[Buckalew11]

BTW, every time I post now I realize I'm asking questions and answering them. Just like Kate. Oh no!

I do it too!! Is it getting on my nerves? You bet it is!

That was the plan.

Does anybody know whether they make $75,000 total per episode or $75,000 each (as was stated in a recent article)?

I think you read that article wrong. It stated (I can't remember word for word) her part of the 75,000. Go back and look. I had too.

 

[redrosesix]

I think you read that article wrong. It stated (I can't remember word for word) her part of the 75,000. Go back and look. I had too.

That sure was confusing -- I checked -- it says "the $75,000 they each reportedly get"

But I think they have it wrong -- I've always seen $75,000 per episode, and I thought that was what they got in total.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Has anyone ever fallen so in love with being famous as Jon Gosselin? The Jon & Kate Plus 8 star has now taken to doing daily meet 'n greets with his fans who gather along the fence at his Wernersville, PA home.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/new-photos-jon-gosselin-loves-fame-game

 

[redrosesix]

Has anyone ever fallen so in love with being famous as Jon Gosselin? The Jon & Kate Plus 8 star has now taken to doing daily meet 'n greets with his fans who gather along the fence at his Wernersville, PA home.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/new-photos-jon-gosselin-loves-fame-game

I wonder if this is actually a scheduled event scared1 or they're just making it sound like that, given the amount of times he's been seen at the fence. Or maybe he's not at the fence all of the time -- it seems like these tabloids make 5 or 6 stories out of each one eg. Jon and Kate parenting separately, Kate goes to a dude ranch, Kate takes the boys on a trip, Kate wears a hat, Kate rides a horse alone -- where are the boys, Kate blows her nose while riding a horse (I made that one up )

 

[mousey]

Wonder why TLC isn't letting Jon take the kids on one of the weekly vacation trips. Kate did the warship, dude ranch while Jon played dress up and went to the game room. Maybe this is his punishment for speaking out against Kate and the show. Looks like the new episodes involve splitting up the kids. Maybe they can control Kate more with the 3 boys than with her whole family. You would think Jon would of enjoyed the Dude Ranch??

 

[Buckalew11]

Jon minus Kate equals less money spent on the kids.

Friends of Jon Gosselin claim the reality-show father of eight is acting more like "The Bachelor" - blowing his earnings from "Jon & Kate Plus 8" on his 23-year-old girlfriend Hailey Glassman and a ritzy lifestyle of high-end restaurants, shopping sprees and a fancy Manhattan pad.

Ex-wife-to-be Kate Gosselin, meanwhile, is said to be playing the role of responsible mom, dutifully saving her end of the $75,000 per episode they each reportedly get from the TLC reality show.

"Kate was the accountant in their family," a friend tells Foxnews.com. "She was in charge of the bank accounts and kept Jon on a tight leash and budget. He got a certain amount of money per week and that was it. Now that he's free of all that control, he's like a kid with play money."

Gosselin, who has also been raking in the dough for pubic appearences at events like a Las Vegas party last week, is also accused of using his fame to score freebies for his kids.

"He uses his 'Jon & Kate Plus 8' connections to get free stuff for the children, and then he pays for big ticket items for Hailey," the insider claims.

"While he was in Vegas this weekend flirting with many other women, he bought Hailey expensive jewelry. Then he got tons of free candy for the kids. He needs to cut back on spending because once the show ends, the money will completely dry up."

If the high cost of New York nightlife and a money-pit young mistress doesn't bust his bankroll, Gosselin's other major expense probably will - he reportedly rents a parking space in a Manhattan garage for his car.

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2...e_manhattan_apartment_garage_and_hailey_.html

oh, I was talking about this line. However, the next line says "they each reportedly get". So go figure.

Maybe we'll have to start writing for the reporters. They seems to screw this whole story up often!!

 

[Buckalew11]

Loved the dude ranch episode. I am so like her when it comes to interacting with people like that old ranch man. Now on that hike, I would have need to be piggy backed home! lol But I'd try the horse ride too. She looked like it was a lot of fun. Liked watching them collect eggs--not sure I could relax and LOL about throwing those eggs though. Ick, the mess!

 

[MAKmom]

Wonder why TLC isn't letting Jon take the kids on one of the weekly vacation trips. Kate did the warship, dude ranch while Jon played dress up and went to the game room. Maybe this is his punishment for speaking out against Kate and the show. Looks like the new episodes involve splitting up the kids. Maybe they can control Kate more with the 3 boys than with her whole family. You would think Jon would of enjoyed the Dude Ranch??

It would be too boring for Jon. His style is NYC & Vegas

 

[walden]

I can try.

There was a scene on the drive-way in an episode where Jon calls Kate "the Queen" and tells her off in front of the kids. Did he have a right to tell her off? Most likely, but not in front of them. In another episode, he tells her to take the "stick" out. Disney episode he yells at her in the motel on the way to Disney and tells her she is not capable and treats her like she is stupid. He was mean at the beginning of that episode too when they were talking about the things they had to do. They took the little kids to a little gym type place and he tells her off in that one. I don't remember the wording, only that it was harsh. That is what I can think of off the top of my head.

I can probably think of twice as many times Kate was mean to Jon for no apparent reason. The worst to me was when Jon was giving Collin a time out and Kate told Collin that Daddy was being mean and to just not listen to him.
I was furious with Kate for that one. Talk about disrespectful.

My point was, they both could be mean. It wasn't always or just Kate.

Hope that helps.

Ah. Thank you.

Now another question: Were these fairly early episodes when you say Jon was nasty to Kate? The early specials or seasons 1-3? In a couple of these examples he could be said to be *standing up for himself.* Regrettable, yes, but as bad as Kate on a rampage? No.

Again, I'm not that keen on Jon as a person, or arguing just for the sake of it, but I'm being analytical -- call it professional interest . . ..:flower3.

I think that earlier in their marriage they did have more of a tit-for-tat relationship, but with Kate as the leader and primary decision maker, and Jon as the easy going one. I actually liked Kate a lot in the first few shows. I thought she was funny, quirky and with a dry sense of humor. But, somewhere along the line, Kate did seem to decided that it was her way or the highway. Was it being a Mom to eight? Some women do turn into really unpleasant MommaTiger when it comes to their cubs. ::cough, cough, I guess I've had my moments, but always regretted and apologised for them::

I don't know that she intends ever to sound so abusive -- but she does. And to my mind, she is verbally abusive. I now hate her behaviour. (Please note, her behaviour!)

My DH walked through the room for one of her tirades and said: "If you ever spoke to me in that tone that, or if I said anything even half that bad to you, we would be running, not walking, to marriage counselling!" We have been married 30 years . . .

A sad truth is that abusive behaviour escalates as the abuser feels more powerful. I have a nasty feeling that Kate decided at some point that she could do no wrong, and could get away with it. And I do wonder what effect the TV show had on that.

Anyway, I guess Jon is now saying he was verbally abused. This should be interesting. Will his therapist be a witness in any custody hearings.

And a final thought: I'm not a lawyer, but I would think that using footage from the show could work both ways. And, who knows what is on the cutting room floor!

 

[kidshop]

Ah. Thank you.

Now another question: Were these fairly early episodes when you say Jon was nasty to Kate? The early specials or seasons 1-3? In a couple of these examples he could be said to be *standing up for himself.* Regrettable, yes, but as bad as Kate on a rampage? No.

Again, I'm not that keen on Jon as a person, or arguing just for the sake of it, but I'm being analytical -- call it professional interest . . ..:flower3.

I think that earlier in their marriage they did have more of a tit-for-tat relationship, but with Kate as the leader and primary decision maker, and Jon as the easy going one. I actually liked Kate a lot in the first few shows. I thought she was funny, quirky and with a dry sense of humor. But, somewhere along the line, Kate did seem to decided that it was her way or the highway. Was it being a Mom to eight? Some women do turn into really unpleasant MommaTiger when it comes to their cubs. ::cough, cough, I guess I've had my moments, but always regretted and apologised for them::

I don't know that she intends ever to sound so abusive -- but she does. And to my mind, she is verbally abusive. I now hate her behaviour. (Please note, her behaviour!)

My DH walked through the room for one of her tirades and said: "If you ever spoke to me in that tone that, or if I said anything even half that bad to you, we would be running, not walking, to marriage counselling!" We have been married 30 years . . .

A sad truth is that abusive behaviour escalates as the abuser feels more powerful. I have a nasty feeling that Kate decided at some point that she could do no wrong, and could get away with it. And I do wonder what effect the TV show had on that.

Anyway, I guess Jon is now saying he was verbally abused. This should be interesting. Will his therapist be a witness in any custody hearings.

And a final thought: I'm not a lawyer, but I would think that using footage from the show could work both ways. And, who knows what is on the cutting room floor!

I enjoy your posts! I believe Jon apologized for the 'stick' comment in the Most Embarrassing Moments show.

The bolded part I find really compelling. It does seem to be that way for her so far. Well, the bigger they are the harder they fall! I do think Jon does recognize his own undesirable behavior (even if he doesn't change it), but Kate would never admit she did something wrong or less than perfect...ever. She seems unable to accept any responsibility and doesn't even know 'how she got here'.

 

[redrosesix]

The bolded part I find really compelling. It does seem to be that way for her so far. Well, the bigger they are the harder they fall! I do think Jon does recognize his own undesirable behavior (even if he doesn't change it), but Kate would never admit she did something wrong or less than perfect...ever. She seems unable to accept any responsibility and doesn't even know 'how she got here'.

Just playing devil's advocate here, but if Jon never said anything about how he disliked the way she talked to him when they were more minor comments, I could see it escalating when her comments no longer made him do what she told him to ie. when he ignored what she said because he hated the way she said it. And then, all of a sudden, he says he hates the way she talks to him -- she would be shocked.

The only reason I'm pointing this out is that sometimes when they discussed her behaviour towards him, she acted genuinely surprised when he said that it bothered him -- as if she wondered why it bothered him when it hadn't before.

Seems to me there might have more than one person in this marriage who hoped the other would change.

But I'm also going to point out that the thing that bothered me most about Kate's behaviour was that Jon was supposed to say "how can I help you" when she was having a meltdown. IMO, if she was having a meltdown in front of the kids it was her responsibility as an adult to get herself under control. And so help me, if my DH ever told me that I had to use the exact words that he told me to ie. that I was no longer allowed to think for myself, I'd be considering divorce court.

 

[disneygirl1972]

Hi guys, I'm new to posting in this thread. Does it bother anyone else how both Jon & Kate repeatedly stress the "MY" in statements regarding the children? "I'm taking MY kids here or there." Maybe it's just me, but they sure, especially Jon seem to give impression that the kids are a possession.

 

[walden]

Just playing devil's advocate here, but if Jon never said anything about how he disliked the way she talked to him when they were more minor comments, I could see it escalating when her comments no longer made him do what she told him to ie. when he ignored what she said because he hated the way she said it. And then, all of a sudden, he says he hates the way she talks to him -- she would be shocked.

The only reason I'm pointing this out is that sometimes when they discussed her behaviour towards him, she acted genuinely surprised when he said that it bothered him -- as if she wondered why it bothered him when it hadn't before.

Seems to me there might have more than one person in this marriage who hoped the other would change.

But I'm also going to point out that the thing that bothered me most about Kate's behaviour was that Jon was supposed to say "how can I help you" when she was having a meltdown. IMO, if she was having a meltdown in front of the kids it was her responsibility as an adult to get herself under control. And so help me, if my DH ever told me that I had to use the exact words that he told me to ie. that I was no longer allowed to think for myself, I'd be considering divorce court.

I still haven't figured out how to quote several people at once -- so Kidshop, I'm glad that you appreciate my posts.

redrosesix

Jon did tell Kate that her yelling at Toys R Us upset him. I thought he handled it well. I guess that wasn't always true.

There was another occasion fairly early on -- in the garage? I think it was over the choice of shoes. Kate wants a particular set, Jon was putting the others on. Kate says: "You either stand with me or against me!" She was cold, but not quite cold enought to justify Jon's reaction . . .

Jon stiffened all over. He indicated that he wanted a private conversation and they disappeared behind a closed door out of the garage. (As it was pre-nanny, I guess the camera people and production watched the kids, but I'm not going there!)

I don't know. At that point, a disagreement happened behind a door. Yay! The "stand with me or against me" seemed extreme.

I can't judge from what is on film, because there may be a lot of stuff on the cutting room floor. There may also be a lot of pillow-talk conversations. Who knows?

Jon's family seems involved now. The show used to say that the grandparents were not involved. I do wonder about the absence of Kate's family, other than brother Kevin and Aunt Jodi. But they are now gone, I guess.

Kate may have a very good reason to distance herself from her parents. Many abusive people come from abusive homes, although not all survivors of abuse are abusive. Yet another question, although I do not want to malign the Kreiders.

Any thoughts?

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Ah. Thank you.

Now another question: Were these fairly early episodes when you say Jon was nasty to Kate? The early specials or seasons 1-3? In a couple of these examples he could be said to be *standing up for himself.* Regrettable, yes, but as bad as Kate on a rampage? No.

Again, I'm not that keen on Jon as a person, or arguing just for the sake of it, but I'm being analytical -- call it professional interest . . ..:flower3.

I think that earlier in their marriage they did have more of a tit-for-tat relationship, but with Kate as the leader and primary decision maker, and Jon as the easy going one. I actually liked Kate a lot in the first few shows. I thought she was funny, quirky and with a dry sense of humor. But, somewhere along the line, Kate did seem to decided that it was her way or the highway. Was it being a Mom to eight? Some women do turn into really unpleasant MommaTiger when it comes to their cubs. ::cough, cough, I guess I've had my moments, but always regretted and apologised for them::

I don't know that she intends ever to sound so abusive -- but she does. And to my mind, she is verbally abusive. I now hate her behaviour. (Please note, her behaviour!)

My DH walked through the room for one of her tirades and said: "If you ever spoke to me in that tone that, or if I said anything even half that bad to you, we would be running, not walking, to marriage counselling!" We have been married 30 years . . .

A sad truth is that abusive behaviour escalates as the abuser feels more powerful. I have a nasty feeling that Kate decided at some point that she could do no wrong, and could get away with it. And I do wonder what effect the TV show had on that.

Anyway, I guess Jon is now saying he was verbally abused. This should be interesting. Will his therapist be a witness in any custody hearings.

And a final thought: I'm not a lawyer, but I would think that using footage from the show could work both ways. And, who knows what is on the cutting room floor!

Yes, the episodes I mentioned are seasons 1-3....at least I am fairly certain they all are. Kate definitely went on a "rampage" much more than Jon but his were just as demoralizing as hers, in my opinion. They are both better off without the other it would seem.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I enjoy your posts! I believe Jon apologized for the 'stick' comment in the Most Embarrassing Moments show.

The bolded part I find really compelling. It does seem to be that way for her so far. Well, the bigger they are the harder they fall! I do think Jon does recognize his own undesirable behavior (even if he doesn't change it), but Kate would never admit she did something wrong or less than perfect...ever. She seems unable to accept any responsibility and doesn't even know 'how she got here'.

I have actually heard Kate say many times that she is not perfect. She also stated in the beginning of the seperation that they both had a part in the destruction of the marriage and she showed regret for the way she treated Jon.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Hi guys, I'm new to posting in this thread. Does it bother anyone else how both Jon & Kate repeatedly stress the "MY" in statements regarding the children? "I'm taking MY kids here or there." Maybe it's just me, but they sure, especially Jon seem to give impression that the kids are a possession.

Welcome to the thread!

Kate refers to the kids as "my" just as much as Jon from what I have seen. I don't think either one of them mean anything by it and probably it just a habit.

Sorry guys I don't know how to multi-quote either....I just took the time to figure it out and will do so from now on.

 

[redrosesix]

I still haven't figured out how to quote several people at once -- so Kidshop, I'm glad that you appreciate my posts.

redrosesix

Jon did tell Kate that her yelling at Toys R Us upset him. I thought he handled it well. I guess that wasn't always true.

There was another occasion fairly early on -- in the garage? I think it was over the choice of shoes. Kate wants a particular set, Jon was putting the others on. Kate says: "You either stand with me or against me!" She was cold, but not quite cold enought to justify Jon's reaction . . .

Jon stiffened all over. He indicated that he wanted a private conversation and they disappeared behind a closed door out of the garage. (As it was pre-nanny, I guess the camera people and production watched the kids, but I'm not going there!)

I don't know. At that point, a disagreement happened behind a door. Yay! The "stand with me or against me" seemed extreme.

I can't judge from what is on film, because there may be a lot of stuff on the cutting room floor. There may also be a lot of pillow-talk conversations. Who knows?

Jon's family seems involved now. The show used to say that the grandparents were not involved. I do wonder about the absence of Kate's family, other than brother Kevin and Aunt Jodi. But they are now gone, I guess.

Kate may have a very good reason to distance herself from her parents. Many abusive people come from abusive homes, although not all survivors of abuse are abusive. Yet another question, although I do not want to malign the Kreiders.

Any thoughts?

Yup -- you're right. I remember the shoes. He did stand up for himself way back then, but then he just seemed to shut down, especially on the couch sessions ie. Jon saying "I have nothing to say"

As for her distancing herself from her parents etc., I have to believe that Kate didn't just become verbally aggressive in the last few years. There have been posts about how she was always that way, even when she was nursing. I'd think that at least one of her parents did the same, just as it seems that Maddy is now copying her mother. JMHO, but if that is the type of behaviour you grew up around you're far less likely to see anything wrong with it.

Note: see how I characterized it as "verbally aggressive"? I'm trying to find a terminology we can all agree on. "Abusive" seems to have gotten us hung up several times.

 

[MAKmom]

Hi guys, I'm new to posting in this thread. Does it bother anyone else how both Jon & Kate repeatedly stress the "MY" in statements regarding the children? "I'm taking MY kids here or there." Maybe it's just me, but they sure, especially Jon seem to give impression that the kids are a possession.

I still haven't figured out how to quote several people at once -- so Kidshop, I'm glad that you appreciate my posts.

redrosesix

Jon did tell Kate that her yelling at Toys R Us upset him. I thought he handled it well. I guess that wasn't always true.

There was another occasion fairly early on -- in the garage? I think it was over the choice of shoes. Kate wants a particular set, Jon was putting the others on. Kate says: "You either stand with me or against me!" She was cold, but not quite cold enought to justify Jon's reaction . . .

Jon stiffened all over. He indicated that he wanted a private conversation and they disappeared behind a closed door out of the garage. (As it was pre-nanny, I guess the camera people and production watched the kids, but I'm not going there!)

I don't know. At that point, a disagreement happened behind a door. Yay! The "stand with me or against me" seemed extreme.

I can't judge from what is on film, because there may be a lot of stuff on the cutting room floor. There may also be a lot of pillow-talk conversations. Who knows?

Jon's family seems involved now. The show used to say that the grandparents were not involved. I do wonder about the absence of Kate's family, other than brother Kevin and Aunt Jodi. But they are now gone, I guess.

Kate may have a very good reason to distance herself from her parents. Many abusive people come from abusive homes, although not all survivors of abuse are abusive. Yet another question, although I do not want to malign the Kreiders.

Any thoughts?

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