Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[KristiKelly]

I've been away for a week or so and have missed a lot. However, for someone who didn't like the cameras & the "fame" he sure is living high on the hog right now.

He's really looking like an idiot!

 

[DMRick]

I never had a thought that she had to protect the kids from the physical Jon. I assumed he made some stupid action (and that is just an assumption) money wise and Kate thought it could jeopardize the children's money/support, if she didn't file and get the stuff frozen until separated.

I agree that Jon is free to roam now, but Jon did say he was the one tired of the camera's and the paparrazzi, and yet he is also the one that draws the camera's right to him. Yes, he has a right to be out with a 22 year old, but it does look tacky, so close to the official break up of his marriage. I would have thought the same of Kate, had she brought a 22 year old to CA with her.

I have no idea if Jon is going to be a dad that will stand up for the kids...I never thought either of them were bad parents, so hopefully they will share well. As someone else said, at least Cara and Mady will always have a playmate with whoever their dad dates LOL!

Yeah, and if it was so bad how come she didn't need to 'protect' the kids from him on the 4th of July? I do think it was financial in nature, probably a way to stop him from spending. (maybe that's why he's getting a job now!) I absolutely think they have been apart since the fall at least.

I admit I held out a little hope that Jon was going to be the one to stand up for the kids and be a great dad, but he's not is he? Oh they really need him to be too. Poor kids.

 

[GJM]

Originally Posted by Promomx2 View Post
I'm sorry ya'll, but who?? goes to the grocery store in a nice dress and heels??

As other's have said maybe she came from church or she was at some other function and she was dressed from that.

I have gone to the grocery store in heels and a dress, I have been someplace before and stopped to shop.

 

[madge]

I agree that Jon is free to roam now, but Jon did say he was the one tired of the camera's and the paparrazzi, and yet he is also the one that draws the camera's right to him. Yes, he has a right to be out with a 22 year old, but it does look tacky, so close to the official break up of his marriage. I would have thought the same of Kate, had she brought a 22 year old to CA with her.

I absolutely agree .. totally tacky.

I just think that there wasn't anything basically different about Jon's trip to France than Kate's trip to California, assuming that they went on their "off" parenting time.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I gotta say--Jon may enjoy his kids for what time he is with him--but he strikes me as though he will only do bare minimum when it comes to custodial arrangements.

He's flaunting his chick and that is just--wrong!

 

[madge]

I gotta say--Jon may enjoy his kids for what time he is with him--but he strikes me as though he will only do bare minimum when it comes to custodial arrangements.

Jon, who did the diapers and baths when the kids were babies? Jon, who played with the kids outside while Kate sat in the chair and yelled? Jon, who was home while Kate was all over the country on the book tour?

I think it's too soon to tell what kind of parent he will be as a divorced dad.

 

[WaltD4Me]

I'm sorry ya'll, but who?? goes to the grocery store in a nice dress and heels??

I hear you, but it's Sunday, maybe she just went to church? It's not something I'd wear to grocery shop, but I've seen woman shopping in dresses and heels, not just Kate.

 

[talulabelle]

Jon, who did the diapers and baths when the kids were babies? Jon, who played with the kids outside while Kate sat in the chair and yelled? Jon, who was home while Kate was all over the country on the book tour?

I think it's too soon to tell what kind of parent he will be as a divorced dad.

Yes I agree. I also agree with others that say Jon is looking like an idiot right now, flaunting the gf and wearing immature clothing etc. But, I guess I think he is just coming out of a really unhealthy and opressive marriage and is overcompensating right now for being so controlled for so long. I think he will level out soon and hopefully act more mature. Jon did do most of the grunt work of parenting during the marriage. THe things he didn't do were not really done my Kate either but by people taking orders from Kate. Kate just saw Jon as another of her worker bees.

It is easy to say that he was wrong for taking the abuse he did. THat he should have spoken up for himself and been more of a man and not a wimp. But, I have seen other marriages like this, and women like Kate will not be stood up to. Him keeping quiet was realizing that standing up to her would be worse for the kids because of her reaction. THat she wouldn't see it his way and realize she was wrong, but would turn the tables and would see his strength as defiance and abuse. I think he and other men I have seen in this situation are trying to be strong by being quiet and shouldering the abuse and controlling spouse. Obviously, it doesn't do any good, and the pressure builds up until they burst...but I think he was trying to be strong for the kids sake. He was a good dad. Maybe not a very employable dad, maybe an immature dad that couldn't see that televising the children is gross exploitation, but a good one -on -one and one-on-eight dad.

He did most of the work when they were babies which is enough to make any man rebel and try to have a life of their own. Plus he had that sort of pressure times eight with the addition of a nasty, witchy, controlling, mean wife. So, although I think he is looking like an idiot right now....I can forgive the man a bit until he gets used to his new found freedoms.

 

[DMRick]

He did most of the work when they were babies which is enough to make any man rebel and try to have a life of their own. Plus he had that sort of pressure times eight with the addition of a nasty, witchy, controlling, mean wife. So, although I think he is looking like an idiot right now....I can forgive the man a bit until he gets used to his new found freedoms.

Wow, those are strong judgemental words to describe someone that we only saw for a half hour a week on a TV show, that was edited by TLC. What show were you watching that showed him doing most of the work? He did often get the kids up in the morning...uh, they are his kids, and on a couple of the shows, they did say Kate stayed up late getting ready for the next day. He was gone from the house for 9 hours a day. Once he was home, we still saw Kate as an active part of taking care of their children, feeding them, dressing them, taking care of them, watching them outside, doing crafts with them and certainly he may have helped off camera, but she sure worked to pack them up for one of their many trips. They did show him outside sometimes playing with the kids..but it wasn't often..he was working. It was only very recently that he was home (when she traveled for her second book) during the day. He said when he was working, he hated being home during the day with all the work of the kids and was glad to be off at work. We peeked into their house when TLC was there filming. Filming something that they decided what we would see. Who knows what was going on in that house?

Jon was nasty his fair share of the time. He also didn't appear to have a lot of initiative, which I assume may be why we saw Kate telling him what to do. Seldom is a breakdown of a marriage just one person. I'm sure they were both at fault.

 

[JennaTX]

The more that I am seeing of Jon, just makes me sick.

Sure, the papers are filed, he is free to do what he wants.

How is he paying for this trip with his "friend"? From the show that he hates, and that Kate made him do and that he wants no part of? Or maybe from the IT job he was maybe starting a few weeks ago? Or from this new job that he might be starting?


What happened to Jon being worried about his kids "googling" him?

Sure in a normal divorce you can probably get away with what Jon is doing, but he knows that the media is following him, and doesn't seem to care what pictures they are getting of him and his "friends".


And I really don't understand the posts from the last few pages about Kate grocery shopping in a dress. So what? If I "google" my parents and see Dad out hanging around with a woman who is (11-13 years older than the twins?) and Mom shopping in a dress....what the kids are supposed to say wow Mom, you are over dressed??

Also, people keep talking about the book tour that Kate did, I thought that it was only for a few months?

 

[JennaTX]

Yes I agree. I also agree with others that say Jon is looking like an idiot right now, flaunting the gf and wearing immature clothing etc. But, I guess I think he is just coming out of a really unhealthy and opressive marriage and is overcompensating right now for being so controlled for so long. I think he will level out soon and hopefully act more mature. Jon did do most of the grunt work of parenting during the marriage. THe things he didn't do were not really done my Kate either but by people taking orders from Kate. Kate just saw Jon as another of her worker bees.

It is easy to say that he was wrong for taking the abuse he did. THat he should have spoken up for himself and been more of a man and not a wimp. But, I have seen other marriages like this, and women like Kate will not be stood up to. Him keeping quiet was realizing that standing up to her would be worse for the kids because of her reaction. THat she wouldn't see it his way and realize she was wrong, but would turn the tables and would see his strength as defiance and abuse. I think he and other men I have seen in this situation are trying to be strong by being quiet and shouldering the abuse and controlling spouse. Obviously, it doesn't do any good, and the pressure builds up until they burst...but I think he was trying to be strong for the kids sake. He was a good dad. Maybe not a very employable dad, maybe an immature dad that couldn't see that televising the children is gross exploitation, but a good one -on -one and one-on-eight dad.

He did most of the work when they were babies which is enough to make any man rebel and try to have a life of their own. Plus he had that sort of pressure times eight with the addition of a nasty, witchy, controlling, mean wife. So, although I think he is looking like an idiot right now....I can forgive the man a bit until he gets used to his new found freedoms.

You think Jon was "shouldering the abuse"? Well then shouldn't he be in counseling, or is being finally able to do what he wants his treatment?

I did most of the work when my kids were babies....so I guess I can now walk away from my family, have an affair, and find someone to pay for me to go to France?

Guess I need to go tell DH that since he spoke ugly to me a few times in the last 20 years, I have been abused, and whatever I do should be excused ( at least until I get used to my new found freedoms) because he wasn't nice to me 24 hours a day.

 

[mrsksomeday]

Again we have NO idea what is really going on with them, one or both of them might be in some type of counseling we don't know do we? Maybe Jon walking away will help show Kate how inconsiderate and oblivious to others she can be, I hope so.

 

[MichelleVW]

The more that I am seeing of Jon, just makes me sick.



What happened to Jon being worried about his kids "googling" him?

Sure in a normal divorce you can probably get away with what Jon is doing, but he knows that the media is following him, and doesn't seem to care what pictures they are getting of him and his "friends".


And I really don't understand the posts from the last few pages about Kate grocery shopping in a dress. So what? If I "google" my parents and see Dad out hanging around with a woman who is (11-13 years older than the twins?) and Mom shopping in a dress....what the kids are supposed to say wow Mom, you are over dressed??

I guess he just doesn't care what his kids see now....I have no respect for him at all anymore...

 

[Tweevil]

I guess he just doesn't care what his kids see now....I have no respect for him at all anymore...

I totally agree. At first I felt bad for him. Now I think that he is a big baby who feels justified in getting his youth back. He's pitiful the way he is behaving. One thing I have to stay is there are more pics of her with the kids then him that I have seen and those that are without the kids are not tra la la-ing with a potential "friend".

Both of them are wrong but he is really handling it immaturely and acting very selfish.

I feel for the kids who will later view these and form their own opinions....

 

[DreaGirl]

Again we have NO idea what is really going on with them, one or both of them might be in some type of counseling we don't know do we? Maybe Jon walking away will help show Kate how inconsiderate and oblivious to others she can be, I hope so.

In my opinion, I think Kate though that Jon would never leave. That he would just stay, miserable or not, to continue the show. So, she went on with her traveling when he was clearly unhappy.

 

[happygirl]

I'm sorry ya'll, but who?? goes to the grocery store in a nice dress and heels??

I would if I was at church before hand or at a business meeting. That is not a big deal to me.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Yes I agree. I also agree with others that say Jon is looking like an idiot right now, flaunting the gf and wearing immature clothing etc. But, I guess I think he is just coming out of a really unhealthy and opressive marriage and is overcompensating right now for being so controlled for so long. I think he will level out soon and hopefully act more mature. Jon did do most of the grunt work of parenting during the marriage. THe things he didn't do were not really done my Kate either but by people taking orders from Kate. Kate just saw Jon as another of her worker bees.

It is easy to say that he was wrong for taking the abuse he did. THat he should have spoken up for himself and been more of a man and not a wimp. But, I have seen other marriages like this, and women like Kate will not be stood up to. Him keeping quiet was realizing that standing up to her would be worse for the kids because of her reaction. THat she wouldn't see it his way and realize she was wrong, but would turn the tables and would see his strength as defiance and abuse. I think he and other men I have seen in this situation are trying to be strong by being quiet and shouldering the abuse and controlling spouse. Obviously, it doesn't do any good, and the pressure builds up until they burst...but I think he was trying to be strong for the kids sake. He was a good dad. Maybe not a very employable dad, maybe an immature dad that couldn't see that televising the children is gross exploitation, but a good one -on -one and one-on-eight dad.

He did most of the work when they were babies which is enough to make any man rebel and try to have a life of their own. Plus he had that sort of pressure times eight with the addition of a nasty, witchy, controlling, mean wife. So, although I think he is looking like an idiot right now....I can forgive the man a bit until he gets used to his new found freedoms.

Hmmm, I'm a stay at home Mom who has done most of the work with my girls. DH and I have had some not so 'kind' moments with each other. So I guess I now have a free pass to act however I wish because I've been doing the grunt work? That's crazy. So Jon's coming out of an unhealthy relationship and is just 'finding himself'? I don't see it that way at all. He sat there in front of the cameras and told America that he is excited about this new chapter of his life, that's he's only 32 and blah blah blah. Sorry, to me that sounds like a man eager for a second start in life because he feels he deserves it. He's immature and like other posters have said, he certainly gave it back to Kate. There were many times he was nasty and childish toward her but I guess that's ok since he was being oppressed?

He reminds me of those celebrity kids who finally are of legal age and then they act like idiots. Paris Hilton comes to mind....

You think Jon was "shouldering the abuse"? Well then shouldn't he be in counseling, or is being finally able to do what he wants his treatment?

I did most of the work when my kids were babies....so I guess I can now walk away from my family, have an affair, and find someone to pay for me to go to France?

Guess I need to go tell DH that since he spoke ugly to me a few times in the last 20 years, I have been abused, and whatever I do should be excused ( at least until I get used to my new found freedoms) because he wasn't nice to me 24 hours a day.

Yup. Wow, if everyone thought like that, the divorce rate would skyrocket!

In my opinion, I think Kate though that Jon would never leave. That he would just stay, miserable or not, to continue the show. So, she went on with her traveling when he was clearly unhappy.

I agree with the bolded part. I honestly think Kate thought Jon would stay and attempt to work things out. I'm sure it was a shock to her that he was ready to move on. Yes, she wasn't always kind but neither was he. I don't think their marriage has been healthy for awhile now but it's sad they couldn't have tried counseling. The earlier episodes (and home videos) showed J&K very much in love and it's a shame they weren't able to recapture that, you know?

 

[redrosesix]

how do we know he's not being a good dad? jon and kate have an agreement that they're sharing the parenting .. outside of taking a companion with him on his trip, what makes Jon traveling to France (for a job?) different than Kate going to California (for a job?), other than the continent?

We don't really know anything about what he's doing as a dad. Except for the July 4th pictures (when Kate was also there), it doesn't seem like he spends his time with his kids on the front lawn.

Yes I agree. I also agree with others that say Jon is looking like an idiot right now, flaunting the gf and wearing immature clothing etc. But, I guess I think he is just coming out of a really unhealthy and opressive marriage and is overcompensating right now for being so controlled for so long. I think he will level out soon and hopefully act more mature. Jon did do most of the grunt work of parenting during the marriage. THe things he didn't do were not really done my Kate either but by people taking orders from Kate. Kate just saw Jon as another of her worker bees.

It is easy to say that he was wrong for taking the abuse he did. THat he should have spoken up for himself and been more of a man and not a wimp. But, I have seen other marriages like this, and women like Kate will not be stood up to. Him keeping quiet was realizing that standing up to her would be worse for the kids because of her reaction. THat she wouldn't see it his way and realize she was wrong, but would turn the tables and would see his strength as defiance and abuse. I think he and other men I have seen in this situation are trying to be strong by being quiet and shouldering the abuse and controlling spouse. Obviously, it doesn't do any good, and the pressure builds up until they burst...but I think he was trying to be strong for the kids sake. He was a good dad. Maybe not a very employable dad, maybe an immature dad that couldn't see that televising the children is gross exploitation, but a good one -on -one and one-on-eight dad.

He did most of the work when they were babies which is enough to make any man rebel and try to have a life of their own. Plus he had that sort of pressure times eight with the addition of a nasty, witchy, controlling, mean wife. So, although I think he is looking like an idiot right now....I can forgive the man a bit until he gets used to his new found freedoms.

I just have to agree with this. But I keep thinking about when Princess Di and Prince Charles announced their separation/divorce. That was a long time after they had physically separated and had had other relationships (we just didn't know about it then) -- if I were in the public spotlight, I would probably wait until the marriage was over for sure to make any announcement, especially with kids involved.

So, Jon's having a girlfriend might seem sudden to us (I still don't necessarily believe that he was dating Deanna -- everybody including Kate has denied it), but it may not seem sudden at all to Kate.

In my opinion, I think Kate though that Jon would never leave. That he would just stay, miserable or not, to continue the show. So, she went on with her traveling when he was clearly unhappy.

Definitely!

But I think they were probably already separated when she did the book tour -- Kate just assumed that Jon would start to see things her way and they didn't have to make it official.

 

[LoraJ]

We don't really know anything about what he's doing as a dad. Except for the July 4th pictures (when Kate was also there), it doesn't seem like he spends his time with his kids on the front lawn.

When it was his turn with the kids, there were pics of him and the kids playing out on the front lawn area as well. It's not just Kate that does that. Keep in mind that is where the driveway is and where they ride their bikes.

 

[DMRick]

In my opinion, I think Kate though that Jon would never leave. That he would just stay, miserable or not, to continue the show. So, she went on with her traveling when he was clearly unhappy.

When you write a book and it's published, you usually sign a contract saying you will go out and talk, and sign copies etc.
Jon made no secret of the fact that he did not like being a sahd, but he did and does seem to like the money the traveling brought. It wasn't for a lifetime, but a few months. It's not like he was stuck at home (at least not in the evenings) with no help and had it all to do. Like Kate, towards the end, he had help.
The traveling had an end time..he agreed to it, and he should have done what most of husbands would have done. Sucked it up and keep the home fires burning for the short time it was.
We know he was getting out at night!