Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[DMRick]

I agree, I don't believe that vow renewal was a total scam, but I do believe that Kate was the one who was trying and wanting things to be okay. I think Jon agreed to go along, but wasn't putting in any effort. I can say plenty of things about Kate, but I just do not believe she would talk to the kids about them being together forever for ratings. If it was a scam, telling the kids those things wouldn't have been neccessary, I really think Kate was hoping that is what would happen.

I agree. It just seems so many people do marriage vows (or have a baby..thank God they didn't go that route!) to save a marriage. Take it however you want, and who knows the truth, but Kate did say Jon wanted the house and she thought it would make him happy..but it didn't. Not those words but similiar.

 

[LoraJ]

Ok -- that's enough for me -- official girlfriend (yes, lots of friends will walk with their arms around each other -- none hold hands)



I would think her dad would be loaded -- probably not the money, really. I think it's the notoriety -- she's really posing for the camera.




I know friends who have gotten new boyfriends after separation or divorce -- the rule of thumb is not to let the kids know it's a thing until it's a big deal. I would say the same about pictures in the press -- so it's a jerk move on his behalf. My DD is 9 and she knows how to google -- and yes, she did google me and found me (she found my thesis)

BTW, I have no problem with the age difference -- I'm 8 years younger than DH and we moved in together when I was 26. I used to like Ed Hardy clothing -- activewear -- but now that I see it on Jon, it's not looking so good to me.

I also think they've been truly separated for a loooonnnngggg time, maybe not since before the vow renewal, but a long time. I still want to know what Jon's "actions" were that caused Kate to file for divorce -- or whether she was just saying that to make herself look good.

But I am sure your Dh did not have 8 kids. I usually don't have a problem with age difference in relationships, however, throw in 8 kids, and how many 23yo's suddenly want to play mommy to that many kids. I just fear he is going to start this new life for himself and his kids will become less and less a part of his life. This girl probably wants nice, shopping and to go out and party. She probably does not want to play house. And if/when they break up, he'll move on to the next 23yo rinse and repeat.

He's such a loser.

 

[amyup]

Ugggg those pics of Jon make my skin crawl. He's beyond disgusting!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Jon and Kate..where do I begin?

As I said on the Raising sextuplets thread--this show has Jumped the shark.

I used to enjoy it--but I no longer do.

I think Jon is scum (my opinion--my mom has been divorced and remarried a couple of times, I can spot selfish.) Kate may not be a nice human being, but only cowards cheat even if there is an "agreement".

I've never thought they were the perfect family and felt their shows were honest from the start.

But at this point, money has taken over common sense.

there is a blog out there currently posting all the alleged "lies" and supposed "truths" but it is evident these people have never read the dictionary defintion of "lie" and "opinion" or "editing for television".

It is said and the link with Jon holding hands with some "chick"---just made me want to gag. If he wants to behave like a prebuscent teenager, he is more than welcome. I won't make fun of him for his clothing choices. But hello-sorry, until the divorce is final..you are still married and are a role model for your children.

No, I do not find Kate abusive. HAving been on the receiving end of abuse (though not partner), there wasn't any point that Jon couldn't have found himself and stood up for himself. Kate isn't the epitome of a doting housewife, but neither am I.

 

[mistydoodles]

New photos of Jon and his girl http://www.radaronline.com/photos/i...ssman-christian-and-ira-audigier-saint-tropez

and some photos of Kate and the kids http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/kate-furious-jon’s-french-trip-girlfriend-says-source

 

[mousey]

I think Jon is finally happy. After years of abuse by Kate he can finally do his own thing and he's in charge. I don't agree about the way he is flaunting it with these girls, but I'm sure living with Kate was no picnic.
Kate on the other hand is playing her game with the paparazzi such as modeling a different swimsuit everyday and playing with her kids in full view of the camera. How would people feel if her and her bodyguard started holding hands. They say that other celebrities that visit Bald Island don't bring bodyguards, but Kate did.
I think they are both screwed up but it amazes me that people defend Kate's actions and make Jon out to be the bad guy. Takes 2 to end a marriage and their certainly doesn't look like any regrets from either side.

 

[DMRick]

I think Jon is finally happy. After years of abuse by Kate he can finally do his own thing and he's in charge. I don't agree about the way he is flaunting it with these girls, but I'm sure living with Kate was no picnic.

Jon gave it back to Kate, he was just a little quieter. He could have done 'his own thing' a long time ago, it was his choice. Kate wasn't his mom, he could have stood up to her. He's not a baby or her child.

Kate on the other hand is playing her game with the paparazzi such as modeling a different swimsuit everyday and playing with her kids in full view of the camera. How would people feel if her and her bodyguard started holding hands. They say that other celebrities that visit Bald Island don't bring bodyguards, but Kate did.

I bring several suits with me when I go on vacation as well..they get wet and it takes a couple of days for them to dry after washing, since I don't put them in the dryer.
Most celebrities haven't been pounded in the rag mags like Kate and Jon, plus Kate has 8 kids with her to be watched over. It's her money, if she wants to bring two body guards, it's her call. We might not even know if other celebs bring bodyguards, since they aren't photographed as much and 'they' might not recognize them. I don't see Kate playing a game with the paparazzi. I see her having fun with her children, and paying no mind to the idiots out there to snap everything she does. I'm sure they take as many photo's as they have to , to make it appear she is looking at them..or they shove themselves in her face, and then when she makes a bad face, because she doesn't want them there, they take a picture of it and make her appear to be crabby. I have no idea how far they are from her when they take the pictures. That said, many people must be interested in these pictures, because the rag mags and online sites certainly must pay pretty good to allow these people out all over to take the pics.

The big difference so far, is we haven't seen Kate holding hands with a 22 year old kid. I do hope when she starts going out again, she finds someone mature and I really hope it isn't her bodyguard, and that he is still as happily married as his wife said.

Takes 2 to end a marriage and their certainly doesn't look like any regrets from either side.

That's where we differ..I think Kate does have regrets, from what she has said. But as Jon keeps being shown with these young gals, I bet that will stop and she can get on with her life as well. I also hope that she learned from how her and Jon were to each other and she doesn't repeat her mistakes.

 

[redrosesix]

I wonder, though .. how marketable is Jon Gosselin, being Jon Gosselin? What does he bring to a company outside of name recognition?

~ He's the dad of a large family... which isn't a bad thing. Just stating a fact.

~ He's a known marital cheater (as opposed, to cheating at Monopoly, or something like that )

~ He's claimed, in the past, to be a devout Christian .. again, not a bad thing, but his recent activities contradict his claims.

~ He doesn't like the media spotlight.

~ And he has a history of not being able to keep a job.

Have to add that he doesn't have the body I've seen wearing Ed Hardy clothes -- have you seen the side-view pictures of him on his ATV -- that ponch just wouldn't do those shirts justice -- you don't want to have bulges in the wrong places.

Sorry, but if you're going to act as a model, you need to look the part.

New photos of Jon and his girl http://www.radaronline.com/photos/i...ssman-christian-and-ira-audigier-saint-tropez

and some photos of Kate and the kids http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/kate-furious-jon’s-french-trip-girlfriend-says-source

On the front lawn...again.

Can someone explain Ed Hardy to me? I mean, I know what it is, but who wears it? Teens? College kids?. I don't see it being worn much, but I have seen the clothes in stores. Where is it popular other than St. Tropez and Reading, Pennsylvania?

Teens and up, but they do have a kids' clothing line. About the same price, or cheaper, than lulu lemon and really the same people might wear them. I think they're more popular among more active people (than Jon, I mean) like skiers, snowboarders and surfers, but they're great when you're tired of wearing plain grey sweats to the gym. Personally, I think too many of their women's clothes have the biker-chick look that most people could never wear, and it's probably a bit much to wear both Ed Hardy jeans and Ed Hardy tops together, but I like a lot of the designs without the skulls. A lot of musicians we know wear them, since they're a pretty comfortable clothing line -- definitely not something you'd wear out to dinner or to the office (unless you work for Apple and think flip flops coordinate with all of your outfits).

Sorry, but there are so many knock-offs of this style around here that I think the style is going to have a limited life-span.

 

[Hollywoodhaha]

Jon and his pink shorts

 

[meloneyb21]

Jon is gross, but maybe we are just now seeing the "real" Jon. Not saying that Kate was right but maybe she was the way she was because of how she knows Jon is. I mean, he is really acting gross and immature now but what if he was always like that and just put on a front for the cameras?

I mean, we saw a lot, but we didn't see everything.

 

[KSchwagg86]

jon gave it back to kate, he was just a little quieter.

amen

 

[MichelleVW]

Ugggg those pics of Jon make my skin crawl. He's beyond disgusting!

I hear ya.....

I haven't been paying much attention to this thread but popped in today and saw those pictures. I'm sure his kids are so happy to see them....what a freaking loser..

 

[Buckalew11]

I love Kate's dress from this morning. That is very pretty. looks great on her. I'm sure we'll continue to see her lose more and more weight through all this.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Jon gave it back to Kate, he was just a little quieter. He could have done 'his own thing' a long time ago, it was his choice. Kate wasn't his mom, he could have stood up to her. He's not a baby or her child.

Most celebrities haven't been pounded in the rag mags like Kate and Jon, plus Kate has 8 kids with her to be watched over. It's her money, if she wants to bring two body guards, it's her call. We might not even know if other celebs bring bodyguards, since they aren't photographed as much and 'they' might not recognize them. I don't see Kate playing a game with the paparazzi. I see her having fun with her children, and paying no mind to the idiots out there to snap everything she does. I'm sure they take as many photo's as they have to , to make it appear she is looking at them..or they shove themselves in her face, and then when she makes a bad face, because she doesn't want them there, they take a picture of it and make her appear to be crabby. I have no idea how far they are from her when they take the pictures. That said, many people must be interested in these pictures, because the rag mags and online sites certainly must pay pretty good to allow these people out all over to take the pics.

The big difference so far, is we haven't seen Kate holding hands with a 22 year old kid. I do hope when she starts going out again, she finds someone mature and I really hope it isn't her bodyguard, and that he is still as happily married as his wife said.

That's where we differ..I think Kate does have regrets, from what she has said. But as Jon keeps being shown with these young gals, I bet that will stop and she can get on with her life as well. I also hope that she learned from how her and Jon were to each other and she doesn't repeat her mistakes.

Doris, I agree with you 100%. Jon is out with a young 22 year old girlfriend vacationing when his divorce isn't even final. He's already been caught partying with college girls and then with Deanna. Definitely a pattern here. I'm still a little shocked that he would so blatantly put aside his children's best interest and traipse around with yet another girlfriend. But it really just shows his true colors IMO.

It's interesting that Kate is getting so much flack in light of what Jon is doing. I don't get that. She didn't drive him to an affair, he's a big boy and made THAT decision for himself. I think the vow renewal was genuine on her part. She looked sincere and I agree with a previous poster that I don't think she'd make that kind of promise to the kids if she didn't mean it. My take on it is that it truly was a last ditch effort for Kate to save the marriage.

I just can't believe that Jon is already moving on from Deanna and is actually taking his new girlfriend on vacation. It's obvious he doesn't give a hoot about Kate and the kids. Pig.

 

[Promomx2]

I'm sorry ya'll, but who?? goes to the grocery store in a nice dress and heels??

 

[madge]

I think Jon is finally happy. After years of abuse by Kate he can finally do his own thing and he's in charge. I don't agree about the way he is flaunting it with these girls, but I'm sure living with Kate was no picnic.

they are both at fault in the breakdown of the relationship. period. I think we can all find reasons to point fingers at Kate AND Jon.

 

[kidshop]

Ok -- that's enough for me -- official girlfriend (yes, lots of friends will walk with their arms around each other -- none hold hands)



I would think her dad would be loaded -- probably not the money, really. I think it's the notoriety -- she's really posing for the camera.




I know friends who have gotten new boyfriends after separation or divorce -- the rule of thumb is not to let the kids know it's a thing until it's a big deal. I would say the same about pictures in the press -- so it's a jerk move on his behalf. My DD is 9 and she knows how to google -- and yes, she did google me and found me (she found my thesis)

BTW, I have no problem with the age difference -- I'm 8 years younger than DH and we moved in together when I was 26. I used to like Ed Hardy clothing -- activewear -- but now that I see it on Jon, it's not looking so good to me.

I also think they've been truly separated for a loooonnnngggg time, maybe not since before the vow renewal, but a long time. I still want to know what Jon's "actions" were that caused Kate to file for divorce -- or whether she was just saying that to make herself look good.

Yeah, and if it was so bad how come she didn't need to 'protect' the kids from him on the 4th of July? I do think it was financial in nature, probably a way to stop him from spending. (maybe that's why he's getting a job now!) I absolutely think they have been apart since the fall at least.

I admit I held out a little hope that Jon was going to be the one to stand up for the kids and be a great dad, but he's not is he? Oh they really need him to be too. Poor kids.

 

[madge]

I admit I held out a little hope that Jon was going to be the one to stand up for the kids and be a great dad, but he's not is he? Oh they really need him to be too. Poor kids.

how do we know he's not being a good dad? jon and kate have an agreement that they're sharing the parenting .. outside of taking a companion with him on his trip, what makes Jon traveling to France (for a job?) different than Kate going to California (for a job?), other than the continent?

 

[Hollywoodhaha]

I'm sorry ya'll, but who?? goes to the grocery store in a nice dress and heels??

Church.

 

[mrsksomeday]

how do we know he's not being a good dad? jon and kate have an agreement that they're sharing the parenting .. outside of taking a companion with him on his trip, what makes Jon traveling to France (for a job?) different than Kate going to California (for a job?), other than the continent?

I agree with you madge, him going off to Europe with another women might be tacky, horrible etc, but the divorce papers are filed, they have an agreement on shared parenting, and we have NO clue as to how long they have really been separated. Seriously is it really any of our business how many women he is messing around with? As long as he is there on the days he is supposed to be there and is taking care of his children he is being there for them.

There is blame on both sides when a marriage breaks up, I would think they have had to have had the break down a long time ago and just held on for financial reasons, but the tabloid crap made it blow up in their faces.