Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[MusiqChic99]

Did Jon ever really say for sure that he didn't want to do the show???

I remember him saying his life and the show/job are the same thing and it's hard for him to swallow. I dont know if that means he doesn't want to do the show. It could just mean it's hard to deal with.

I dont know...someone enlighten me on this.

 

[Epcot luvr]

yes. she has at least one sister, she's mentioned in her speech.

Thanks Marge oh Madge, lol.
Well I hope her and her sister are close. I am not sure though, I know if I had that sweet vaca. house for 11 days like Kate did when she was in NC. I surely could not have kept my sister away.

 

[bebelle]

perhaps she should get her priorites in line with what her christianity teaches. God first, then family. In fact, i was always taught it was god, spouse, then children. That when you put god first, and then your spouse, everything falls perfectly for the children. Had her priorities been 1. God, 2. Jon, 3.children i think she would have much happier children right now. Not as much "stuff" and materieal things, not as much fame, but a happier family.

amen!

 

[Buckeye Gal]

...Does anyone really believe that neither of them (particularly Kate) will keep their mouths shut and completely cut off the tabloids? I'm thinking, if they do, the only reason is because TLC has them under some type of contract that strictly forbids it....

I also would not count on it. I agree that TLC wants some control to minimize damage so they don't loose advertisers, however, it's my belief that the statement originated from divorce attorneys. There's no doubt in my mind that they have strongly advised the couple to keep it "zip zip" until the divorce is final.

...I just thought of something does kate have a sister? ....

Kate's number 4 of five kids, and Kevin is the only male of the siblings.

 

[Epcot luvr]

I also would not count on it. I agree that TLC wants some control to minimize damage so they don't loose advertisers, however, it's my belief that the statement originated from divorce attorneys. There's no doubt in my mind that they have strongly advised the couple to keep it "zip zip" until the divorce is final.



Kate's number 4 of five kids, and Kevin is the only male of the siblings.

Thanks Buckeye Gal,
Wow, she has 3 sisters, that just blows me away. I can't believe I did not know that or did not think to ask before. Being that I have 3 myself and 2 brothers, I can understand not everybody getting along like The Brady Bunch, we all have different personalities. But, there is just something about sisters, mine at least. I am honestly stunned I have never seen one or one never was on the show. I guess they could be close, but it just seems odd to me.

 

[DMRick]

amen!

I can't judge where she is with God, or if He is or isn't #1 in her life. I also can't post so many Bible verses that I want to post right now, 'cause we aren't allowed to talk about religion. I do my best to keep God #1, but I sure hope no one is watching my every move, or even taping me and putting out there just what they think people should see. Of course it's possble she has fallen away, as well as Jon, so I guess prayer from those who believe would be in order.

 

[Buckalew11]

from the outside looking in, it does make you wonder about the priorities and God issue.

Personally I think they could have had the type of marriage that God shows clearly in the Bible to be the ideal and if they'd have gone by that plan, they could have had a wonderful marriage, happy family life and money too. Keeping God first is very clear. It is hard to do in life which is probably why men think some of the last words written were about staying clear of idols. It says the love of money is the root of all evil. Money being an idol. Above God, that just doesn't work. I'd love to see both of the gosselins get some good christian counseling from someone who truly cares about that family.

 

[Anjelica]

Yes, it does, I think Jon enjoyed the "stuff" and the fame also. I do think he wanted out though when he realized it was destroying them. I also think he put Kate first up until recently. He tried to make her happy and it wasn't being recipricated.

Respectfully, I disagree. I don't think the show played a huge part in their marriage falling apart. While both sides could have been better throughout the relationship I think he's going through a mid-life crisis. I genuinely believe they were both happy at one point and even up till a year or so ago - look at the body language, the smiles in the earlier footage - were love.

If he really wanted to fix their issues he would have pushed for counseling, etc. - I'm not saying he didn't but there is nothing to indicate he did. He basically, from all accounts, stopped talking to her, partied late at night with women and got his ears pierced. Those are pretty drastic measures to take and don't sound much like "trying to work it out". He's been checked out of this marriage for awhile now and was just going threw the motions. I don't think Kate really had a clue that things were going south until it was to late and Jon already had his mind made up.

 

[DMRick]

I can't respond to any of the points, without taking a chance this thread will be closed because we can't 'discuss' religion.
That said, none of us know what they had..it may never have been a good 'Christian' marriage, or it may still be saved down the road. I have no idea if they are putting money above God.

from the outside looking in, it does make you wonder about the priorities and God issue.

Personally I think they could have had the type of marriage that God shows clearly in the Bible to be the ideal and if they'd have gone by that plan, they could have had a wonderful marriage, happy family life and money too. Keeping God first is very clear. It is hard to do in life which is probably why men think some of the last words written were about staying clear of idols. It says the love of money is the root of all evil. Money being an idol. Above God, that just doesn't work. I'd love to see both of the gosselins get some good christian counseling from someone who truly cares about that family.

 

[kidshop]

Respectfully, I disagree. I don't think the show played a huge part in their marriage falling apart. While both sides could have been better throughout the relationship I think he's going through a mid-life crisis. I genuinely believe they were both happy at one point and even up till a year or so ago - look at the body language, the smiles in the earlier footage - were love.

If he really wanted to fix their issues he would have pushed for counseling, etc. - I'm not saying he didn't but there is nothing to indicate he did. He basically, from all accounts, stopped talking to her, partied late at night with women and got his ears pierced. Those are pretty drastic measures to take and don't sound much like "trying to work it out". He's been checked out of this marriage for awhile now and was just going threw the motions. I don't think Kate really had a clue that things were going south until it was to late and Jon already had his mind made up.

Jon could have had his ears pierced long ago as a teen and Kate didn't like his earrings and that's why he didn't wear them. He has said he as always smoked (not around the kids) and TLC just didn't show it. Have you seen Kate 'try' with Jon...speak nicely to him, treat him with respect? I mean even at first? What did Kate do to try to work it out? She said she did try, but her behavior got worse with time as well.

What made him snap and refuse to talk to Kate? It could be many things but he himself said that he let Kate boss him around all this time and he was standing up for himself now. (paraphrasing) Kate is no innocent in this, but TLC has switched gears and re-packaged her with that spin, so that the show may go on.

They are both to blame.

 

[kidshop]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/06/jon-kate-plus-8-ratings-take-dive

Ratings down last night.

 

[redrosesix]

Did Jon ever really say for sure that he didn't want to do the show???

I remember him saying his life and the show/job are the same thing and it's hard for him to swallow. I dont know if that means he doesn't want to do the show. It could just mean it's hard to deal with.

I dont know...someone enlighten me on this.

Yup -- lots of times -- there was a big kerfuffle when it was time to renew the contract and he didn't want to.

That being said, I don't know about US or Pennsylvania law, but here in NS, there would be nothing to keep a mother from signing a contract on behalf of her child without the authorization of the father if they're married ie. Kate could sign herself and her kids up for the show without Jon approving. What's the law there? Do both parents have to sign to register kids for school? to join a ball team?

Could be Kate went ahead against his wishes, and he just decided to hop back on the gravy train -- he might as well if the rest are already on it.

Jon could have had his ears pierced long ago as a teen and Kate didn't like his earrings and that's why he didn't wear them. He has said he as always smoked (not around the kids) and TLC just didn't show it. Have you seen Kate 'try' with Jon...speak nicely to him, treat him with respect? I mean even at first? What did Kate do to try to work it out? She said she did try, but her behavior got worse with time as well.

What made him snap and refuse to talk to Kate? It could be many things but he himself said that he let Kate boss him around all this time and he was standing up for himself now. (paraphrasing) Kate is no innocent in this, but TLC has switched gears and re-packaged her with that spin, so that the show may go on.

They are both to blame.

I agree -- could be that Kate made the fatal error of deciding she would "change" him. Seems like men go along for a while, but eventually they have to be themselves.

Maybe he always wanted to be the person he is now -- he was pretty young when they got married. He does really seem like the pierced ears, tree-hugging, snowboarding type of dude -- I know, I'm married to one, and my brother (the lawyer) is one (but he also plays ultimate frisbee and has a tattoo).

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Respectfully, I disagree. I don't think the show played a huge part in their marriage falling apart. While both sides could have been better throughout the relationship I think he's going through a mid-life crisis. I genuinely believe they were both happy at one point and even up till a year or so ago - look at the body language, the smiles in the earlier footage - were love.

If he really wanted to fix their issues he would have pushed for counseling, etc. - I'm not saying he didn't but there is nothing to indicate he did. He basically, from all accounts, stopped talking to her, partied late at night with women and got his ears pierced. Those are pretty drastic measures to take and don't sound much like "trying to work it out". He's been checked out of this marriage for awhile now and was just going threw the motions. I don't think Kate really had a clue that things were going south until it was to late and Jon already had his mind made up.

I agree. From what I've seen on the show and the pictures of Jon out partying with young girls, it appears he was ready to move on. If it's true that wouldn't even discuss his issues with Kate then he was not invested to make the marriage work. Just another demonstration of his immature ways IMO.

Do I think Kate treated him badly at times? Yup. Do I think Jon treated Kate badly at times? Yup. I re-watched the Disney episode recently and he was yelling at her when she was trying to help and he said she was totally incapable. I think they BOTH got their digs in and TLC chose to televise Kate more since her meltdowns were more emotional. That's my opinion anyway. I don't think their marriage has been healthy for a little while now. I will say though that I saw the genuine love and affection they had for each other in the beginning seasons. It's just such a shame that it's going to be 'dissolved' now.

Jon could have had his ears pierced long ago as a teen and Kate didn't like his earrings and that's why he didn't wear them. He has said he as always smoked (not around the kids) and TLC just didn't show it. Have you seen Kate 'try' with Jon...speak nicely to him, treat him with respect? I mean even at first? What did Kate do to try to work it out? She said she did try, but her behavior got worse with time as well.

What made him snap and refuse to talk to Kate? It could be many things but he himself said that he let Kate boss him around all this time and he was standing up for himself now. (paraphrasing) Kate is no innocent in this, but TLC has switched gears and re-packaged her with that spin, so that the show may go on.

They are both to blame.

I'm sure it was just a combination of him being unhappy he was home with the kids and feeling like he couldn't go out to party with college chicks without people knowing. The whole season 4 finale was SO much drama. He was angling for this pity party because he couldn't be 'just Jon'. Yet, he's been enjoying the Utah condo with girlfriend and all the other stuff the show brings. IMO he looked irritated because he got caught and didn't like the limelight because then he couldn't party it up with girls much younger than himself. Poor guy, he justs wants to hit the bars and stay out all night with his girlfriends. Can't people just let him be 'Jon'?

Wow, he's standing up for himself by cheating on his wife (allegedly) and demanding a divorce. He doesn't want to work yet wants the $ the show brings. That would really irritate me. Kate even said it's so complicated...Jon didn't want do the speaking engagements with her (as originally planned) so they decided he'd stay home with the kids. Then he's home with them but is ticked at Kate because she's gone. Yet when she's home, he's not happy with her either. I just think it was an enormous mess and that if Jon had been willing, counseling could have been such a wonderful thing for BOTH of them. Yes Kate's behavior got worse towards the end of season 4 but wasn't that the same time Jon was getting caught and heading out to the bars? We don't know how much had already happened to cause that kind of behavior on Kate's part.

I just look at those beautiful kids and wish J&K could've made it work. It's obvious they both love them all very much and it just makes me sad.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

As for the Christianity part..I can't make any comments on how they'll be treated at the purly gates, because God has made it clear that He alone does the judging on if they get in. If I make the judging on if they are Christian, I might have trouble fitting in the gate myself, and I've got plans for passing through that gate .

Very well said.

 

[redrosesix]

Wow, he's standing up for himself by cheating on his wife (allegedly) and demanding a divorce. He doesn't want to work yet wants the $ the show brings. That would really irritate me. Kate even said it's so complicated...Jon didn't want do the speaking engagements with her (as originally planned) so they decided he'd stay home with the kids. Then he's home with them but is ticked at Kate because she's gone. Yet when she's home, he's not happy with her either. I just think it was an enormous mess and that if Jon had been willing, counseling could have been such a wonderful thing for BOTH of them.

Well...we only have her word for it that he asked for the divorce (in the same People article where she says she wouldn't marry him again) yet she is the one who filed. And it was Kate that presented Jon with a separation agreement some time ago. He agreed to quit his job to help her with the kids while she is away, but wants to get another -- I don't see him not wanting to work. And we don't know that he never wanted to do counselling she is the only one who has said that. Heck! they could have already gone to counselling and we wouldn't know about it. I think that we shouldn't assume that just because Jon didn't go to the media to get his side of the story out, that everything Kate said was gospel.

Long story short, I just can't believe much of what is in the People article. It comes across as being very bitter (not that I blame her) and is very one-sided. Divorce is rarely ever the result of just one person's actions.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

And it was Kate that presented Jon with a separation agreement some time ago. He agreed to quit his job to help her with the kids while she is away, but wants to get another -- I don't see him not wanting to work.

Kate presented Jon with a separation agreement some time ago?

Jon quit his job a long long time before Kate started traveling for the book tours.

 

[redrosesix]

Kate presented Jon with a separation agreement some time ago?

Here is one of several items about this -- this is the version where Jon could date other people as long as he agreed to continue being on the show. There are many others.

http://showhype.com/story/jon_kate_gosselin_secret_marriage_contract/

Jon quit his job a long long time before Kate started traveling for the book tours.

It was my understanding that he was supposed to be there with the kids whenever she was away, not just on the book tours. No employer was going to ok that.

 

[Disneylover79]

Can I just jump in this thread... I have not been following but I want to say some things and be open for feed back from those of you that have been following closer than I have....

1. Did they even try counseling?
2. Kate states that she does not want to be alone but it is like she is just letting it go, I mean if you still love your husband then you should at least put up a fihgt.
3. If Jon does not want to do the show then maybe Kate should say... what do I want more? My husband and family, or all the money I am getting from continuing the show.
4. How is the show going to go on if there is no more Jon and Kate.
5. Will Jon continue to do interviews?

That is all I have for now... can someone please fill me in

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

It was my understanding that he was supposed to be there with the kids whenever she was away, not just on the book tours. No employer was going to ok that.

Thanks for the reply

So that was based on what Jodi and Kevin have to say? We can't take everything they have to say as gospel either.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

1. Did they even try counseling?
2. Kate states that she does not want to be alone but it is like she is just letting it go, I mean if you still love your husband then you should at least put up a fihgt.
3. If Jon does not want to do the show then maybe Kate should say... what do I want more? My husband and family, or all the money I am getting from continuing the show.
4. How is the show going to go on if there is no more Jon and Kate.
5. Will Jon continue to do interviews?

That is all I have for now... can someone please fill me in

1. They didn't mention counseling, so who knows for sure.
2. Not much you can do if your spouse is done or not willing to continue. We really don't know how much either of them tried to keep this together.
3. Jon hasn't stopped doing the show either.
4. They are going to film the kids with her and the kids with him.
5. Jon stated that he will still be a part of the show and do his own interviews

Show starts up again at beginning of August, I guess we will see how or if the new format works.