Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[WaltD4Me]

I just looked back, and Jon said they were doing a fine dining brunch (he didn't mention what for and Kate didn't mention Mother's Day either). On the screen, TLC put up the words Mother's Day. On the way into the restaurant, Kate was carrying a Trader Joe's bag. I wonder if the bibs were in the bag

Unless TLC bought out the restaurant, there is no way that brunch was on Mother's Day. The place was empty, you can't even get in the door anywhere around here that has a brunch on Mother's Day.

Can I just ask about what the big deal is about the bibs? I know they are five, but in good clothes eating kinda messy food (syrup, raspberries, sauces) it that really bad? Not being snarky, just curious why the bibs cause such an uproar.

 

[DMRick]

Can I just ask about what the big deal is about the bibs? I know they are five, but in good clothes eating kinda messy food (syrup, raspberries, sauces) it that really bad? Not being snarky, just curious why the bibs cause such an uproar.

I wish it would become fashionable for adults to wear bibs. I went out for spaghetti tonight, and ended up wearing it

 

[Starbrite]

Unless TLC bought out the restaurant, there is no way that brunch was on Mother's Day. The place was empty, you can't even get in the door anywhere around here that has a brunch on Mother's Day.

They were probably just celebrating Mother's Day on a different day since they were tied up with the tups birthday party.

Everyday is Mother's Day in our house

 

[Buckalew11]

Unless TLC bought out the restaurant, there is no way that brunch was on Mother's Day. The place was empty, you can't even get in the door anywhere around here that has a brunch on Mother's Day.

Can I just ask about what the big deal is about the bibs? I know they are five, but in good clothes eating kinda messy food (syrup, raspberries, sauces) it that really bad? Not being snarky, just curious why the bibs cause such an uproar.

I thought the same thing. That's why I thought they celebrated on a different day.

I'm with you on those bibs. I don't think it makes her evil either.

 

[WaltD4Me]

Hearing Jon speak, he did it all by himself. Right out of his very own mouth.

Absolutely. If I had only seen Jon talking in the interview chair I would feel exactly the same way, editing or not.

Also keep in mind, Kate's behavior drew attention to the show and that could have been editing too...show Kate being a shrew as often as possible to keep the buzz going.

 

[ksjayhawks]

I'm sorry. I know there is all kinds of serious stuff going on. But why in the world do they have bibs on 5 year olds in a restaurant????

Because if they stain their clothes, then Kate doesn't get as much money for them when she sells them.

I feel sorry for them wearing bibs yet at 5! Wait til their classmates see that--the teasing will begin!

 

[smschex]

Unless TLC bought out the restaurant, there is no way that brunch was on Mother's Day. The place was empty, you can't even get in the door anywhere around here that has a brunch on Mother's Day.

Can I just ask about what the big deal is about the bibs? I know they are five, but in good clothes eating kinda messy food (syrup, raspberries, sauces) it that really bad? Not being snarky, just curious why the bibs cause such an uproar.

ITA, with both points.

 

[Family Fun Mom]

Hearing Jon speak, he did it all by himself. Right out of his very own mouth.

I saw a man who finally grew a pair and stopped allowing himself to be bullied.

I do not completely blame Kate. I think Jon did his fair share to destroy that marriage, but Kate is acting like an innocent victim. She is far from that. And, oh my, has she been coached! I lost interest in watching them get freebies and give product placement informercials last season so I hadn't seen an episode in a while but it's like a different person sitting on that interview couch. Her PR people are good, I hope they're paid well. She just needs help sounding less scripted and more natural. It was pretty obvious. But then again, her fans follow her pretty blindly. I'm sure the sheep bought it.

 

[JennaTX]

Just finished watching the show. Even though I expected it, I still thought it was sad for the entire family that it came to divorce.

I just laughed at Jon's earrings....nothing like a divorced man getting his ears pierced. Since he is a SAHD, did he take the kids and go to Claire's to get that done?

If Kate hasn't had anything done to the "girls" I would really like to know which push-up bra she wears!

I'm glad that the kids are staying in the house and they will take turns there, that at least seems to be give them some sort of stability.

I thought Kate seemed beat up, she seemed like a woman who has tried to keep her family together and make it work, but it didn't happen.

Jon being "excited" about this new chapter of his life disguested me. He truly seems to be at "peace" with what is happening, and is getting what he wants.

Hopefully this family will somehow find some happiness now.

 

[dreamin_disney]

I just finished watching the reairing of last nights show, I missed it last night. I was struck with how much regret that kate had in regards to their relationship. I have been there myself in her shoes wishing I wasn't the way I was and hoping to make it through and make things better with someone that really doesn't seem t want to work things out with yuu. She just seemed sad to me about the whole mess and powerless.

Jon seems to have already have checked out of the whole thing. He just struck me as being all done and i was wondering if he was contracted to be on the shw this season and that is the only real reason he was there? He seemed bitter about the whole thing and like he wanted to get the point across that this was between him and kate and that he still intended to be a part of things with the kids no matter what. But he seemed disengaged even with the kids at the party. That could of had to do with being there with Kate which was clear to me je didn't want to be.

My marriage ultimately survived with mistakes made on both of our parts. I am hoping that theits can too.I just hope jon can realize that this might be worth working on not just for the kids but bor him and kate as well. He seems to hold all the cards in the deck right now and Kate just strikes me as efeated and remorseful, very different from what I have seen from the marathon over the weekend. I know she said she was angry but to me it seemed like jon was the angry one.

just my opinion Kate just seems really fake! I've read many negative remarks people make of her especialy how she treats John. To me John seemed distanced probably because Kate told him to stay out of the lime light. I think she loves the camera attention. I havent watched in a while and even told dh how much i thought Kate changed. We both agree it seems to be more about Kate"Look at me"

If they boith cheated i think its wrong. I wish they could work it out but both have changed and it might be best for the kids.

iLike i said just my opinion.

 

[JennaTX]

just my opinion Kate just seems really fake! I've read many negative remarks people make of her especialy how she treats John. To me John seemed distanced probably because Kate told him to stay out of the lime light. I think she loves the camera attention. I havent watched in a while and even told dh how much i thought Kate changed. We both agree it seems to be more about Kate"Look at me"

If they boith cheated i think its wrong. I wish they could work it out but both have changed and it might be best for the kids.

iLike i said just my opinion.

IMO they both are fake to a point...tummy tucks and hair plugs.

Both seem to enjoy the limelight. I don't see Jon staying away from the limelight because Kate told him so, although maybe she should have then he would not have pictures of him out at bars at 2:00 AM.

 

[dicar123]

There are way too may replies to try to copy and paste individually...sorry

Contract: One teary press conference with Jon and Kate standing together saying that TLC won't let them out of their contract, "This is having such an awful effect on the kids. We've offered yearly update shows until the kids are 18 with no pay, blah, blah, blah." Aside from that, no one could force either of them to do a happy, coherent, aren't we having fun show if they didn't want to. The last thing TLC needs right now is a publicity fight over the children and the state of their little psyches.

Divorce: I'm a little bothered by many posters seeming to think there are only two alternatives 1) divorce 2) stay miserable and ruin your children. Whatever happened to acting like adults and finding a way to deal reasonably with each other? With some time and effort, you might find that you can like each other all over again. (insert usual disclaimers: if one spouse really wants out, abuse, addictions, adultery)

Show: I think the show only magnified their problems. Kate probably had a tendency toward control and bossiness, Jon probably had a tendency toward being passive and (I can't think of a better word) somewhat lazy. When the babies were born, things needed to be scheduled and controlled, so Kate stepped up. Then you have resentment of her, loss of respect for him. It didn't have to be the babies, but any large challenge that faced them they probably were primed to react in these ways.

I didn't watch tonight, but my cousin (who had never watched the show before) got sucked in by the commercials, so she cancelled out my virtue.

 

[dicar123]

BTW, I'm off for two weeks with the in-laws (boy do I wish I were going to WDW!). Feel free to argue with me, and you get to win because I won't be able to respond.

 

[Kimberle]

Exactly what is their contract with TLC? How long or how many shows are they obligated to produce?

(Maybe if everybody stops watching, TLC will cancel due to low ratings. The reporters will eventually go away, and the kids/family can have some peace to heal.)

 

[Mermaid02]

I agree! Take the earrings out, grow up & stop whining.

Amen!

Anyone else think its weird that Jon has the phone thing in his ear the entire time? As if he cant be away from the phone for a second....

His girlfriend might call!

Jon and I had a rough day - its almost like a "shell game"

Jon has a lot of anger towards me, and wont talk to me, he wont hold a discussion with me, I want to talk ... I see a window in his world. I dont know if he realizes the repurcussions of his descions down the road...

ok that's sad.

This is very sad- IMO

And of course, Kate doesn't want them where John does... and who wins... Kate! GAG me!

How can you say she doesn't want the kids and he does? She not the one looking for a high rise in NYC....

The flashbacks are sad. It's so clear that he hates the show. And it's been clear for a long time.

Yeah and he is going to get a job
I don't want to be alone......oh
And it sounds like he's going through his mid life crisis at 32.

He might hate "the show" but he sure likes the paycheck! And I agree about the midlife crisis- the earrings said it all!

Jon is a selfish idiot...he said he's excited about this new chapter in his life. Now TLC just flashed the announcement that J&K have filed for dissolution of their marriage...

I couldnt' believe he said he was "excited"

Jon is excited about breaking up his family and breaking his kids hearts forever! That makes me soooooo sick! He should be sad and upset that he and Kate FAILED them!

It's all about him!

Kate seems a lot more contemplative and sad. Jon seems, I don't know...almost apathetic. I never liked Kate, but I think we are seeing the real side of her. I feel badly for all of them.

It's hard to be the only parent to nine children.

Tune in for the show next week! "Kate plus Eight and Jon has a DATE!"

 

[OceanAnnie]

There are way too may replies to try to copy and paste individually...sorry

Contract: One teary press conference with Jon and Kate standing together saying that TLC won't let them out of their contract, "This is having such an awful effect on the kids. We've offered yearly update shows until the kids are 18 with no pay, blah, blah, blah." Aside from that, no one could force either of them to do a happy, coherent, aren't we having fun show if they didn't want to. The last thing TLC needs right now is a publicity fight over the children and the state of their little psyches.

Divorce: I'm a little bothered by many posters seeming to think there are only two alternatives 1) divorce 2) stay miserable and ruin your children. Whatever happened to acting like adults and finding a way to deal reasonably with each other? With some time and effort, you might find that you can like each other all over again. (insert usual disclaimers: if one spouse really wants out, abuse, addictions, adultery)

Show: I think the show only magnified their problems. Kate probably had a tendency toward control and bossiness, Jon probably had a tendency toward being passive and (I can't think of a better word) somewhat lazy. When the babies were born, things needed to be scheduled and controlled, so Kate stepped up. Then you have resentment of her, loss of respect for him. It didn't have to be the babies, but any large challenge that faced them they probably were primed to react in these ways.

I didn't watch tonight, but my cousin (who had never watched the show before) got sucked in by the commercials, so she cancelled out my virtue.

I agree with the bolded.

It sad. I wish they had tried counseling, but then that would've probably been on TLC too.

 

[MoniqueU]

just my opinion Kate just seems really fake! I've read many negative remarks people make of her especialy how she treats John. To me John seemed distanced probably because Kate told him to stay out of the lime light. I think she loves the camera attention. I havent watched in a while and even told dh how much i thought Kate changed. We both agree it seems to be more about Kate"Look at me"

If they boith cheated i think its wrong. I wish they could work it out but both have changed and it might be best for the kids.

iLike i said just my opinion.

I can see where you are coming from ans I think it is some of both. I do think Jon is checked out and has been for awhile. I think alot of that is his choice and also probably some of Kates doing. I think she has been real in the past and it wasnt always pretty. I do think she is genuinly upset by events but even she admits she is going to continue p8tting on a "happy" face for herkids.Iassume that is for the fans as well. I don't have aproblem with her looks as some people do, I think that is the least of the problems they have.

I don't feel bad watching the show. I don'tfollow every twistand turn or every linkonline,pos here all day talking aout it and then declaring how horrible it is. Yes it is horrible but my watching it isn't going to make it any worse then it already is. IMHO these kids lives are already ruined or close to it.

I do agree with some of the people that say jon is havinga midlife crisis. I think Kate already had hers.They both are carving outa life for themselves and their kids that I wouldm't want.

 

[bonybroad]

In the People article it said Kate said something about Jon's actions over the weekend prompted her to file today.

I would guess it is his refusal to speak to her, etc. Say what you will about either of them, but he IS really angry, and that is hard to live with..

 

[Aristomommy]

DH wanted to watch last night, I was going to pass and watch it online instead. We have been married for 13 years and gone through some rough times. While we don't know what happens behind the scenes, we both felt that they just gave up on their marriage. "It has been hard for months..." is a lame excuse to profoundly change your children's live like that. Maybe they couldn't say how long it has been going on because of their vow renewal would have been viewed as fake, but I would have like to hear that they tried counseling individually and together before coming to this conclusion. Jon was excited about his decision, which makes me think he really doesn't understand what this will do to his children. Kate became a victim all of a sudden and did not own up to her part in all of this.

Those children will now have their parents divorce memorialized in a tv show. I also feel that the timing of their divorce is so intentional. The same day as the episode came out? I thought they said they would separate? Why not separate for a while and go to counseling and try to find common ground? What's the hurry?

I would be very surprised to find Jon in future episodes. He has too much partying to do and to find a new girlfriend. TLC should pull the plug on this show right now and allow this family privacy and time to heal.

 

[OceanAnnie]

I cringed when both Kate and Jon talked about the kids. The called them, "my kids". Not "our kids". I know they are divorcing, but the mindset doesn't seem to be cooperation for the kids sake. Maybe it wasn't intended the way it sounds, but when they both said it, it was jarring.