Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[dicar123]

You misunderstood me. I think that Jon is having an affair. I was just saying that they may not want to actually "say" it on tv or print because like Jon said my kids will someday google me.

Sorry, I mixed a poster specific comment with a more general one.

My take on what Kate has said as a whole is that she is totally throwing him under the bus, but in a way that allows her to look somewhat weak and victimized (the opposite of how she is usually seen). She is not defending him, which could make her look like a fool (depending upon how much is out there). She isn't saying nothing. And she isn't stating it straight out, which could look either witchy and disloyal or portray her as strong and straightforward, which might gain her some admiration but would take away the victim role.

She's taking a middle route. I'm so hurt that I can't just say nothing at all, I don't know what happened, I don't know what to believe, but Jon screwed up and made poor decisions. I think she's deliberately trying to not play into the general image people have of her.

People might tune in to watch her berate Jon every two minutes because it's a bit of a train wreck. Watching her behave that way with the only people left, the kids, I think is a much different story. I think the show feels ok to people because Jon has been there to balance the snarky, obsessive Kate. He plays, he's more laid back. Mom is uptight, but that's ok because dad balances her out. Without dad, it becomes kids in a nasty situation. I don't think that will be ok with people.

If she's determined to go forward with the show and without Jon, she's going to have to be softer and more sympathetic. Already people are commenting that she seemed a bit more laid back at the party. My husband is sure that the kids ate more candy that day than he has ever seen them eat.

Maybe this isn't as calculated as I think. But it sure would have seemed totally in Kate's character to kick Jon's butt to the curb and tell the whole world, "I can handle this on my own!"

 

[Tinker74]

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I responded to a post similar to yours on the other thread.. The short version is, we don't all agree on this matter.. I have shared what I'm willing to share and that's where it ends.. I have quoted things that were said by Jon or Kate and commented on them.. I have commented on various things that have been shown on the series recently - as well as in the past.. That is a general discussion - those are my "thoughts" on those particular matters - and that's all anyone is going to get from me.. When - and "if" - I feel the need to share anything else, I will.. I don't know how to make it any simpler than that..

C.Ann...Are you a poster on GWOP?...Because a lot of what you say sounds very familiar to that site. The going after sponsers and "extreme" approach...The anger? This is a genuine question.

 

[disneymarie]

No one could write this in for a soap opera and have it believable.
The ratings are sky high but it reminds me of when Canada gov took the Dionne quints into custody and put them on display.

If They want the Jon and Kate show all rules are off, but it is no longer cute or about the kids. THis is stuff like the Anna Nicole trial, the OJ trial, the sensationalism you could never write it has to be real.

I love the thread, I love staying up on the the gossip, sad to say. I am also into seeing if Drew Petterson gets caught for wife three murder/disappearance; Casey is found guilty of first or third degree.....etc.

I am sad about the kids.....TLC really needs to rethink this. The ratings would be greater if they put Jon and Kate in the ring like when Tayna Harding was boxing.
But, the kids, it just is not about them right now and the Birthday party was ruined by this.

Something was masterminded. THis had some brewing last year. I think the renewal of vows was a last attempt and nothing changed, Jon was being teased about how Kate treated him on the show, he was not working and she was a shrew....

They need a hiatus and refocus. Kate could downsize and salvage some of the book, speaking and income established. Jon needs a job, not another woman. Pay backs may have been his game but, it was manipulated to show his "poor choices". Kate may regret things, but she was smart enough to know he was not going to play her game out...

He is a real piece a work though, all the toys, cars, motorcycle, trips, gosh What will he do without it? Things are only going to get worse not better.
Well I vented for the night,
Nighty night, Sleep tight all

 

[Tinker74]

And I can't make it any simpler than this...by posting here (or on any other board, thread, blog, et al.), you open yourself and anything you post up to comment and criticism by anyone and everyone who happens to see it. Nature of the beast, and it's not changing any time soon.

As an aside, anyone else remember CottonCandyLvr who made all these statements (both cryptic and blatant) but would never back them up with anything?

what ever happened to CottonCandyLvr?....was she a new poster..(an alias)

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

what ever happened to CottonCandyLvr?....was she a new poster..(an alias)

We must not have had enough sweets for her...

Ugh! I stayed up too late, so now I just have to make it an all-nighter.

 

[Dr_Finkelstein]

Has anyone posted this? I guess there's a new US cover.

http://blogs.nypost.com/popwrap/archives/2009/05/jon_gosselin_prison.html

Again all nasty rumour and innuendo - an 'ex classmate' and a 'Jon friendly source'? OK so someone he's not seen for 10+ years and a 'source' is usually the 'name' given to the journalist writing the story to make it seem more legit.

When you have 8 small kids and a limited budget $5 a day seems pretty generous! I try and encourage my DH to stick to £20/week, he can go into the supermarket for a newspaper and a sandwich and leave £30+ lighter, and bang goes my weekly budget!

Nothing new at all in that article, just more of the same old gossip being recirculated.

 

[longstangetrip]

what ever happened to CottonCandyLvr?....was she a new poster..(an alias)

She got banned. Whatever that means. She was abrasive and full of negatives about the Gosselins, but was not really rude to other posters. Didn't call them ignorant, shallow or narrow minded. Didn't demand proof about everyone's ideas. Didn't seem to want to run the show, just straighten some things out! She usually told posters their info was wrong then gave "the correct info"! Some of what she said has come to fruition. Who know if that poster really had the inside scoop, but she did seem to know quite a bit of pretty specific information. I thought she was interesting but you can't come in like gang busters to bash on a thread that was then mostly fans. Wonder if it was someone who really knows the Gosselins? The drama continues.

 

[madge]

what ever happened to CottonCandyLvr?....was she a new poster..(an alias)

we didn't drink the Kool-Aid she offered.

 

[Mermaid02]

Once again I am about 10 pages behind but I wanted to address the Jon was out at 2 am with a girl.

I am a very devoted wife and mother. It does not even occur to me to cheat. A few months ago a girlfriend of mine came into town and got some tickets to a comedy club for the two of us. We both are SAHM and we were going to do a girls night. We went out and stayed at a hotel close to the club so that we would not have to drive. So we did this and we had a lot to drink and we ended up at a bar across the street and drank until 1 am. We never do this and we just wanted to have some fun. We ended up meeting some guys and they new we were married with kids, because we made it very clear. But that did not stop them from sitting there and talking to us.

Now let me ask you, do I look like the duck? Do I quack like a duck? I did not do anything wrong and if I was on tv and someone took a picture of me out, it could have been made to look really wrong, instead of two girls cutting loose because we are always home with kids.

Jon said he made mistakes but that he did not cheat, I believe him. And the reason why is because it could have been taken all wrong if a photo of me out had been taken. I never layed a finger on those guys but if I was famous, it would have me on every tabloid saying I was having an affair.

When you left the bar- did you leave alone with one of those guys- giving him the keys to YOUR car and having him drive- (referring to him as BABE at one point even??

There is more than just a picture of Jon with someone....

 

[1stluvispooh]

I especially ... agree with the bolded part.

So no one thinks I condone Jon's behavior .. I don't. (I'm not as much of a JK8 hater as I am a JK8 debater, sometimes ) I believe he was/is cheating. I believed he was when the pictures first came out in February, in spite of people (no one specific, just general people ) saying there's no way he could have been cheating and it was just tabloid crap.

I can't understand how people who claimed this was all set up in February (with pictures, no less) are condemning Jon now, and are using tabloid journalism as their main source of proof. And because no pictures of Kate cheating have surfaced yet, people say there's NO way she could be cheating .. even though the same tabloids say she has.

As far as their contract goes, IIRC, Jon said they were contractually obligated for season 5 (40 episodes?) and there was an option for seasons 6 & 7. I wonder if there's a clause for separation or divorce. I also wonder if people will tune in for 39 more episodes, under the current circumstances. The episodes that have been filmed include 2 trips (California and Florida), Charm City Cakes, Orange County Choppers, and Emeril. I wonder if the California show was that recent, or if they've edited it to look that way in the previews.

Will people want to watch Jon and Kate in therapy, or more tension while they figure out who's spending time with the kids when? That's crossing a line to me. I would hope that wouldn't happen.

What I don't understand is there are pictures of Kate and the bodyguard all over the place but people are dismissing that "rumor". And Kate is furious about those allegations that she couldn't talk about it. Well then if you feel like you need security then get a different bodyguard. As I have said before he doesn't look much like a bodyguard to me. Yes I realize that looks can be deceiving and he could very well have a black belt in something or multiple things but personally if my life got to the point that I felt the need for a bodygaurd I would want him to look intimidating!

And what did she mean exactly when talking about the paperazzi saying she "will not lay down and die"???

 

[Mermaid02]

What I don't understand is there are pictures of Kate and the bodyguard all over the place but people are dismissing that "rumor". And Kate is furious about those allegations that she couldn't talk about it. Well then if you feel like you need security then get a different bodyguard. As I have said before he doesn't look much like a bodyguard to me. Yes I realize that looks can be deceiving and he could very well have a black belt in something or multiple things but personally if my life got to the point that I felt the need for a bodygaurd I would want him to look intimidating!

And what did she mean exactly when talking about the paperazzi saying she "will not lay down and die"???

There are no pictures of Kate and the bodyguard in "compromising" situations (in my opinion) that's the difference. If there is one, then the story will get legs.

She meant that she is not going to hide from the Paparazzi- become a prisoner in her home etc. That's how I took the "lay down and die" comment anyway.

 

[1stluvispooh]

I agree that it does not look good but there are other people there so we can not say that she is with him. She could be there with the other guy. Before anyone flames me I know he has a 23 year old at his home sun bathing and it is so so wrong but once again that does not mean he cheated. I think he likes the attention that she gives him and he went to far with it but still no hard proof he actually did the deed with her.

Has anyone given the thought to the fact that Jon has a brother who is 25 or 26. Could Deanne be his brothers girlfriend or the girlfriend of brother friend that Jon feels brotherly too or did in the past. They meet at the bar and she asked to drive his car, or decied she should drive him home? As for her being at the house sunbathing, lest we forget there was another guy there too. Maybe Jon said he it's going to be nice today why don't you come over we can hang out, I've got the kids, but we have a pool. As for what Deanne was thinking being at a married mans house in her bikini when his wife was away. She's 23!!! Don't think she thought too much about it.

Just somethings to think about. Although my dad would say I'm stirring the s*&*

 

[MichelleVW]

I agree bad idea those Kevin and Jodi interviews...What Where they thinking?
Oh..i know.....They finally found a way to get the pay off Jodi wanted all along.
I'll bet she only watched those kids every week because she had her eye on a peice of the pie all along!
I've met women like her before...its a vibe i get....little miss perfect housewife..Perfect house...Better than Jon and kates..I bet she LOVED that!...Always wanting more..Probably sick with envy over Jon and Kates new lifestyle..the mansion..the trips..the money.

Well she has got her revenge and some money...hope she is happy...She doesn't give a crap about those kids.

Glad to know I'm not the only one who got that vibe...

 

[madge]

What I don't understand is there are pictures of Kate and the bodyguard all over the place but people are dismissing that "rumor". And Kate is furious about those allegations that she couldn't talk about it. Well then if you feel like you need security then get a different bodyguard. As I have said before he doesn't look much like a bodyguard to me. Yes I realize that looks can be deceiving and he could very well have a black belt in something or multiple things but personally if my life got to the point that I felt the need for a bodygaurd I would want him to look intimidating!

And what did she mean exactly when talking about the paperazzi saying she "will not lay down and die"???

the fact that Kate hasn't gotten a different bodyguard may be a sign of sorts that there isn't anything going on .. if they assign new security, that could be perceived as admission of guilt? These rumors aren't new... they've only surfaced because everything JK8-related in under the microscope now. There were other rumors floating around that Kate was having a relationship with her personal trainer.

I saw an interesting interview yesterday -- I'll try to find it. It was a TV piece out of Philly. A couple of people Kate worked (as a nurse a few years ago) with were interviewed, and confirmed a lot of the things said about Kate's personality in the media were similar to what they experienced when they worked with her. What struck me about the interview as these ladies weren't at all snarky or happy about what was happening, more matter of fact about it .. and when they were asked about watching the show, they said they would because they found it interesting, but they also felt sad for Kate because seemed like she was alone now. In the same piece they interviewed a former patient, and I just wanted to roll my eyes at her. LOLOL. I'll try to find the link and post it.

 

[DMRick]

She's 23!!! Don't think she thought too much about it.

She doesn't seem too smart, if what the tabloids are reporting (and since it's the tabloids, it could be a pack of lies) is true. That she and her ex boyfriend made a sex tape and it's up for sale by the ex. I have actually seen that this tape is for sale, but who knows if there is such a tape or if it's just a plain old tape..

 

[madge]

Someone might want to rethink the cover of Kate's new book ...


According to amazon.com, Love Is in the Mix: Making Meals into Memories, will be released on October 13.

The back cover reads: "Fans... won’t want to miss this inside look at one of America’s most famous close-knit families," as the book also promises to teach readers "how to craft family traditions that create happy memories" and "how to feed a large family on a budget."
they might need to work on that close-knit family part.

 

[1stluvispooh]

Don't you think that maybe Jon isn't saying that he did have an affair because like he said "one day my kids will google me".

Maybe the two of them privately have already spoken about Jon's actions and both have agreed not to say publicly what has happened? That was my thought when I watched the show. Enough had been said or implied with the "rag" mags and they were not going to give anymore to them.

I don't see what Googling Daddy has anyting to do with that. Most kids find out eventually if a parent cheated. Heck a friend of mine caught her dad

 

[1stluvispooh]

I haven't had the time to keep up with the J&K+8 threads lately since they are many pages per day... I just can't keep up...

But did she get breast implants? Usually, when you lose weight you ****s don't get bigger- if anything, they get smaller or they stay the same but they looked HUGE in the season premier.

Perhaps she's just wearing better fitting clothes but both my friend and I noticed they were big!

We thought- she got a tummy tuck, she clearly tans, her teeth have been whitened, she's lost weight, what's to stop her from getting new ****ies?

Edit: ohhh... I didn't know I couldn't type the b-double o-b word, kind of lame.

Ya know someone else mentioned it and I was begging to wounder myself then I saw the picture of her in her swimsuit cover up and well. She had "I've had kids cleavage" So maybe she's been wearing cutlets (trying to figure out what size she wants to be) or just a good padded bra. If you remember that when she went for her tummy tuck she asked the Dr. about a breast lift/augmentation and he told her to wear a better bra.

 

[madge]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/05/28/jon-and-kate-plus-a-lot-of-space/

the top pic, of Jon? taken the day the show aired on TLC (Memorial Day) ... for some reason, that strikes me as a little odd. I don't know why, but it does. LOLOL.

anyone in the area know if school is out for the summer in PA yet?

 

[1stluvispooh]

we didn't drink the Kool-Aid she offered.