Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[MusiqChic99]

Kate could have:
1. TAKEN THE WHISTLE AWAY.
2. told Leah to sit on the steps, in time out
3. told Leah to go in the house. she's certainly old enough to be alone inside for a few minutes.

Punishing Leah outside was a much better choice.

I would have taken it away as well.

I dont spank but if I did, I dont know that i would have done it knowing everyone was watching. Do people who do spank just spank their child right there in a resturant or movie theater or any other public place??? I think I would feel ashamed if I did that.

 

[mrsksomeday]

Kate & Jon Gosselin made this choice for their family. This is the life they wanted to lead, and for better or for worse .. they've got it. What's the saying? As ye sow, so shall ye reap? They must be ok with it all, otherwise they wouldn't keep putting themselves out there. And at the end of the day, Jon and Kate have to answer to each other and the children if it's worth it.

Agreeing completely .

 

[madge]

I can up you. I've had 40 years of parenting LOL! 3 kids, that IMO are wonderful adults with 3 and 1/2 grands. I see them all, we are a part of each other's lifes, and they tell me I did a good job.

you've been parenting as long as I've been alive

Best would have been for her not to touch her child IMO. But she did, (she's obviously a spanker as are many others..that's their choice) and I have no idea what led up to her child being disciplined at that very moment. I guess next time she should be looking out at the street to see if there was a camera on her, and if so, brought her into the house to spank her. But in that case, see my above post.

while I've offered alternatives to Kate's discipline, not one included taking Leah inside to spank. I absolutely agree with your assessment as to how it would be spun if Kate took Leah inside to spank.

In Kate's statement to the magazine, she did not elaborate any further other than saying she disciplined Leah as she felt was appropriate. IMO, that is confirming what the article says is true.

Kate has mentioned spanking in her speeches, but doesn't want it shown on JK8. Why that is, I don't know.

 

[DMRick]

Not at all. I don't think they are lying at all when they reported Kate spanked her child. She did. And you have the rest of it in your post. Do you think it would have sold magazines if there was more to it? You make it sound like I'm lying that people wouldn't buy as many magazine if they reported Kate was a wonderful parent, and had all sorts of reasons to spank her daughter (already people are saying she used her fist, to protect her manicure..although if you see it blown up, it's a hand in motion). Just look at the headlines..that's what grabs a paper.

By the way, that 15 minutes of fame? I happen to believe that many people, including nice people like that 15 minutes of fame. When else can you get on TV. I don't mean it as a dirty thing..just that it's exciting to have people listen to you on TV and in papers. You feel important, and maybe you won't have that chance in life again.

Apparently there were lots of witnesses and your scenarios have not been reported. Do you think they are all just lying b/c they hate Kate? If she had acted lovingly and Leah was behaving very badly wouldn't at least one person who saw it make the claim? yeah, yeah I know you'll claim that wouldn't sell a magazine; no one would ever come forward for their 15 minutes to say something nice about Kate. Ever. Not even once in response to any accusation against her. Becase it wouldn't sell...

 

[DMRick]

I totally agree with you. I can only say that Kate must obviously feel that all of these nasty posted things that I mentioned above are just not like they are posted, and that she is not doing anything wrong, so why should she give in to it? On another board, the cost of raising 8 children with food and clothes and shelter and college was posted. I can only guess that somewhere that is in the back of Kate's mind, and she thinks (and Jon) that this is still the best course for them.

Kate & Jon Gosselin made this choice for their family. This is the life they wanted to lead, and for better or for worse .. they've got it. What's the saying? As ye sow, so shall ye reap? They must be ok with it all, otherwise they wouldn't keep putting themselves out there. And at the end of the day, Jon and Kate have to answer to each other and the children if it's worth it.

 

[longstangetrip]

Kate & Jon Gosselin made this choice for their family. This is the life they wanted to lead, and for better or for worse .. they've got it. What's the saying? As ye sow, so shall ye reap? They must be ok with it all, otherwise they wouldn't keep putting themselves out there. And at the end of the day, Jon and Kate have to answer to each other and the children if it's worth it.

That's the bottom line. They could end it all in a short time. End the show, stay out of the front yard, pull your cars in the garage (isn't it a 6 car garage?), put up some blinds, don't alert the media to your whereabouts, don't do dumb stuff that screams "look at me". Smile and wave if someone says hello. Don't tell fans to "move out of the way, coming through, eight kids here," etc. Don't accept trips or gifts in exchange for promotion. It would all blow over eventually. They would be yesterday's news quick. Hasn't Jon said he wants it to end?

 

[blissventure]

I totally agree with you. I can only say that Kate must obviously feel that all of these nasty posted things that I mentioned above are just not like they are posted, and that she is not doing anything wrong, so why should she give in to it? On another board, the cost of raising 8 children with food and clothes and shelter and college was posted. I can only guess that somewhere that is in the back of Kate's mind, and she thinks (and Jon) that this is still the best course for them.

JMO, of course...Once again---she (and they) need counseling. Forcing your kids to grow up on reality TV isn't mandatory. There are other ways of paying the bills. They may need to scale back their life style. And there will come a point where they will probably have 6 in college at the same time. The up side is that they will be eligible for a mind boggling amount of grants and aid. (Unless they've made (and saved) a ton of money on TV.)

And I feel for those kids when they are about 15. They aren't going to be happy about some of the private things that she has allowed to be public...on camera for the whole world to see.
I keep hoping someone will stop this train wreck before more damage is done.

 

[kidshop]

Not at all. I don't think they are lying at all when they reported Kate spanked her child. She did. And you have the rest of it in your post. Do you think it would have sold magazines if there was more to it? You make it sound like I'm lying that people wouldn't buy as many magazine if they reported Kate was a wonderful parent, and had all sorts of reasons to spank her daughter (already people are saying she used her fist, to protect her manicure..although if you see it blown up, it's a hand in motion). Just look at the headlines..that's what grabs a paper.

By the way, that 15 minutes of fame? I happen to believe that many people, including nice people like that 15 minutes of fame. When else can you get on TV. I don't mean it as a dirty thing..just that it's exciting to have people listen to you on TV and in papers. You feel important, and maybe you won't have that chance in life again.

Well, I meant do you think Kate asked Leah 5 times nicely to stop and then finally blew and spanked and that is what is not being reported? I'll be waiting for someone to come forward in her defense, if she has one.

I also think she didn't want spanking shown/talked about on the show, b/c people wouldn't like it. Many people do not spank and to see it happen to beloved children would put many people off. And it's not something generally done in public (imo).

 

[MusiqChic99]

Well, I meant do you think Kate asked Leah 5 times nicely to stop and then finally blew and spanked and that is what is not being reported? I'll be waiting for someone to come forward in her defense, if she has one.

I also think she didn't want spanking shown/talked about on the show, b/c people wouldn't like it. Many people do not spank and to see it happen to beloved children would put many people off. And it's not something generally done in public (imo).

I agree. It doesn't look good when you are sitting on your couch watching someone hit their kid. Even if you like spanking I think it's not exactly something you care to see.

 

[madge]

I can only say that Kate must obviously feel that all of these nasty posted things that I mentioned above are just not like they are posted, and that she is not doing anything wrong, so why should she give in to it?

absolutely. Kate & Jon (and the people who surround them) know the truth. No one else.

On another board, the cost of raising 8 children with food and clothes and shelter and college was posted. I can only guess that somewhere that is in the back of Kate's mind, and she thinks (and Jon) that this is still the best course for them.

I have no doubt that Kate has her own justification for continuing on with what their lives have become.

 

[nuke]

Ah, DM...there ya go gettin' all logical. This thread amazes me with the rampant speculation as if it's fact.

And DMR's assessment is what beside speculation???

 

[DMRick]

Well, I meant do you think Kate asked Leah 5 times nicely to stop and then finally blew and spanked and that is what is not being reported? I'll be waiting for someone to come forward in her defense, if she has one.

I also think she didn't want spanking shown/talked about on the show, b/c people wouldn't like it. Many people do not spank and to see it happen to beloved children would put many people off. And it's not something generally done in public (imo).

I have no clue if anyone saw or heard anything.

I assume the picture was not taken by anyone in Kate's yard, but by Paparazzi. I doubt they would have been close enough to hear anything. I have no idea who was actually there close to Kate. I also don't happen to think Kate needs a 'defense'.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I totally agree with you. I can only say that Kate must obviously feel that all of these nasty posted things that I mentioned above are just not like they are posted, and that she is not doing anything wrong, so why should she give in to it? On another board, the cost of raising 8 children with food and clothes and shelter and college was posted. I can only guess that somewhere that is in the back of Kate's mind, and she thinks (and Jon) that this is still the best course for them.

Sheesh, I'm so tired of the argument that J&K need the show in order to survive. They can make it work just like tons of other large families. Maybe that means not buying a million dollar home and the other perks they've grown accustomed to. No more matching Gymboree clothes or trips to Starbucks. Sure they'd have to cut corners but we already know Kate loves her coupons. It seems ridiculous to me to assume that unless they do the show, they will not be able to provide for their kids. As far as college goes, that's far down the road and there's nothing wrong with the kids taking out loans if they need to or working summer jobs to make $. Since when is a college education supposed to be handed to your kids on a silver platter?

 

[DMRick]

And DMR's assessment is what beside speculation???

My assessment would definately be speculation and not fact. I have no facts. I have always liked to give people the benefit of the doubt, however, and since I have no facts, I'm not ready to say why Kate did spank her daughter or what might have or might not have happened just before it. I'm also not proud to say I have spanked in frustration, and I only had three kids.

 

[DreaGirl]

Sheesh, I'm so tired of the argument that J&K need the show in order to survive. They can make it work just like tons of other large families. Maybe that means not buying a million dollar home and the other perks they've grown accustomed to. No more matching Gymboree clothes or trips to Starbucks. Sure they'd have to cut corners but we already know Kate loves her coupons. It seems ridiculous to me to assume that unless they do the show, they will not be able to provide for their kids. As far as college goes, that's far down the road and there's nothing wrong with the kids taking out loans if they need to or working summer jobs to make $. Since when is a college education supposed to be handed to your kids on a silver platter?

This is exactly what I was thinking.

 

[nuke]

Sheesh, I'm so tired of the argument that J&K need the show in order to survive. They can make it work just like tons of other large families. Maybe that means not buying a million dollar home and the other perks they've grown accustomed to. No more matching Gymboree clothes or trips to Starbucks. Sure they'd have to cut corners but we already know Kate loves her coupons. It seems ridiculous to me to assume that unless they do the show, they will not be able to provide for their kids. As far as college goes, that's far down the road and there's nothing wrong with the kids taking out loans if they need to or working summer jobs to make $. Since when is a college education supposed to be handed to your kids on a silver platter?

They certainly don't need the show to survive. If they have 1/2 a brain they could live for a long time off the money they have already made. However we are talking about Gimme gimme Kate and I'll take one of those Jon.

 

[DMRick]

I didn't say they needed the show. I said that might be on her mind, just like I'm sure other people might think of, before they make changes in their circumstances of what changes may take place. It would be on mine. As I said, she may think this is what is best for her children, just like there must be times we all have to make choices for what we think it best for our children.
Back when most of us thought it was a great, cute show, they did change how they lived. Now they have to decide what is best for them..to continue ofr not. We can't make that decision, just like we wouldn't want someone to make it for us. A lot of this garbage being spewed may not even be true..so her defense may be (if I think it's right or not) that she hasn't done anything wrong, why should she run. Again, it's just what I wonder, I have no idea what is going through her mind.

Sheesh, I'm so tired of the argument that J&K need the show in order to survive. They can make it work just like tons of other large families. Maybe that means not buying a million dollar home and the other perks they've grown accustomed to. No more matching Gymboree clothes or trips to Starbucks. Sure they'd have to cut corners but we already know Kate loves her coupons. It seems ridiculous to me to assume that unless they do the show, they will not be able to provide for their kids. As far as college goes, that's far down the road and there's nothing wrong with the kids taking out loans if they need to or working summer jobs to make $. Since when is a college education supposed to be handed to your kids on a silver platter?

 

[kidshop]

I have no clue if anyone saw or heard anything.

I assume the picture was not taken by anyone in Kate's yard, but by Paparazzi. I doubt they would have been close enough to hear anything. I have no idea who was actually there close to Kate. I also don't happen to think Kate needs a 'defense'.

It says they heard her say, "didn't you not hear me!" to Leah. It didn't say she screamed it, so someone was allegedly close by.

 

[mickey&minnie04]

Of course the paps are partly responsible since they are literally (I'm sure) waiting on their property line for any tidbit they can get. Again, though, why are they there? Because J&K+8 is newsworthy. It's such a vicious circle. Unfortunately it's one that J&K continue to put themselves and kids in. I couldn't handle that and I just don't understand how they can either, especially when kids are involved.

But aren't we are only keeping the cycle going by coming here and talking about them? I don't read any of the tabloids, I only come here to see what is being said about them. Maybe if we stopped buying the tabloids and talking about the Gosselin's and just watched the show ( if you still wanted to ) things would calm down.

One thing that did bother me about this spanking issue was that poeple keep saying that the show is not real and then this happens and people can't handle the realness. For years parents spanked their kids and we turned out fine. These are Kates children and she should discipline them as she sees fit.

 

[pweyl36]

Sheesh, I'm so tired of the argument that J&K need the show in order to survive. They can make it work just like tons of other large families. Maybe that means not buying a million dollar home and the other perks they've grown accustomed to. No more matching Gymboree clothes or trips to Starbucks. Sure they'd have to cut corners but we already know Kate loves her coupons. It seems ridiculous to me to assume that unless they do the show, they will not be able to provide for their kids. As far as college goes, that's far down the road and there's nothing wrong with the kids taking out loans if they need to or working summer jobs to make $. Since when is a college education supposed to be handed to your kids on a silver platter?

Well said, Iam also tried about hearing how much money it will take to rasie them. To bad she should of thought about that it the first place. Look at the duggars, they have 18kids and are debt free.