Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[SharpMomOfTwo]

I hope we don't start going after each other and make this personal and get the thread closed. One thing we all agree on...this is sad. We're an electronic age and this is the first time we've seen something played out like this in front of us. We can all agree to disagree, but when we make it personal, we will get shut down

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Let's all take a deep breath here...I realize it's an emotional subject but we can be civil to one another.

A lot of us enjoy having this thread to come to discuss J&K so let's not get upset and have the thread closed.

 

[Buckalew11]

here is my honest answer. I would not allow cameras to film my family for any amount of money. While I am not disrespectful to my DH (I have already confessed what changed me there, lol), I am bossier than I should be and like things done a certain way and I'd probably make Kate look good to all the Kate haters! My skin isn't thick enough for all the grief that people dish out. I try my best every day but I often "fail".

Besides, people would say "Get off the DIS, lady!!" LOL

 

[cc1013]

Hi all,

I'm a regular reader of this thread, but rarely post.

One thing I noticed last night was Jon's deliberate wording "I did not cheat on Kate." Notice he never said that he didn't have a relationship with that woman, etc. He made 'poor choices.' It all depends on his definition of cheat, as other posters have mentioned. If he and Kate were in fact 'on a break' (alla Ross and Rachel) he may not have cheated in his mind, even if he did have a romantic relationship with that other woman.

Also, one thing to keep in mind (I'm not a huge Kate fan at all) is that Kate is now facing the very real prospect of being a single mother with 8 kids. Outside of the show, Jon hasn't brought in a significant income and it's unlikely that he would be paying substantial child support in the future. Therefore, I can somewhat understand her decision to continue working while the show and family are still popular. It's not ideal, but being the provider of the family may be skewing many of her decisions right now. Albeit, she definitely seems to like the spotlight.

 

[I'mNoPrince]

Kate is obviously much stronger than Jon. She faced the situation head on and addressed the media honestly. I am sure she is hard to live with yadda yadda yadda..but Jon is weak and blaming everyone but himself. He said he didn't want to do the show anymore but yet he continues to do the interviews? Why doesn't he just stop and let Kate do it? He wants and needs the money! How else is he going to support that sportscar driving college bar hanging life he so feels he deserves after staying home what? 1-2 years?

I applaude Kate for what she is doing. The whole situation is very sad but she must continue to be the strong supportive parent because they will need it.

What is so sad is life was just about to get easier for both of them when school starts for them. They made it through the roughest of years and now they fall apart. I hope they find a way to make it work.

A part of me believes all of this could be for ratings! At the end of the season they make up or something like that.

Your kidding right.

Kate Ran and Hid with the excuse of I have a world Book tour to go on. I have a Job Now to do.

No your job was to stay home and do a show with your Kids that you paraded out into the world for the good of them.

H0ow is she being supportive with all the travel she is doing. Well if you include hiring someone to take care of the kids she has grown tired of then yes she is. She has always been short with them .

I still have an attraction to her but as far as a MOM of the Year i think not and Wife of the 1/2 decade I go even further to say miserable fail on that.

Jon is a mess but he has said that all along as that's how he has been beat down from day one. I think he said I made poor judgments and she still is on her high horse./


I also Agree with DMRick (that doesn't happen much) But lets stay on topic and not get personal on the attacks or points will be divvied and the thread closed.

 

[DisneyMomx7]

For what it's worth here's my take.

John looked exhausted. Kate looked angry. That's probably absolutely normal for everything that's been going on.

Kate kept complaining about the "papparazzi". Here's an easy way to make them go away -STOP THE SHOW!!!!

I think it is incredibly selfish of them to keep filming this show. It can only have a negative effect on the kids.

Now that the kids will all be in school Kate and Jon coud both go back to work (whether they are together or not), skip all the freebies, get rid of the big house and excessses and try to live a normal life for the sake of the kids.

I think Kate likes being a celebrity way too much and I think Jon has checked out. One way or another it appears they've alienated everyone around them who helped or cared about the kids. Time to grow up, get over yourselves, and make the kids your #1 priority.

Oh and I don't buy the "I have 8 kids so I have to do a reality show" thinking. I have 7, DH and I have always fully supported them ourselves, no outside help. They've all gone to parochial school, the olders ones all graduated from college and we've still managed to do Disney. It can be done.

 

[mousetravel]

I have a question....how\long ago was the vow renewal?....Kate says this has been going on for 6 months or so..and Yes I think we could all tell there was a problem pretty much from the time they moved into the new house. That to me was when i noticed a difference..They didn't seem to film much together..Jon was "away" helping his mum at one point...So when do you think the problems started?...They did seem happy in Hawaii..They promised to stay together forever, so something pretty bad must have happened.

It it so sad....I wish them all all the best!

I was also wndering about this. It seems like the vowel renewal happened right before all of this started.

Also, on a lighter side, I thought it was so cute when one of the little boys, can't remember which one, was talking about how much fun he was having with the "chin-ata"! That was just too cute!

 

[DMRick]

That's an honest answer LOL.

I would have tried it, and hopefully known when to get off the gravy train. But I bet everyone thinks that, then you start living the life with a bigger house, a fancy car, you get to travel, you see college will be possible without tons of loans, and I imagine it's hard to get off the gravy train.

I'm sure there are some of us here who, in good times made pretty good money, bought a nicer/bigger house, bought into DVC, bought a motor home, bought a second vacation house. Now the job is gone, a divorce has happened, you retired and watched your retirement funds go down, a spouse has died. We should change the way we live, sell what we really don't need (as opposed to want), but it's hard. For Kate and Jon, it's the TV show bringing in the big bucks, and I bet it's hard to give it up.

here is my honest answer. I would not allow cameras to film my family for any amount of money. While I am not disrespectful to my DH (I have already confessed what changed me there, lol), I am bossier than I should be and like things done a certain way and I'd probably make Kate look good to all the Kate haters! My skin isn't thick enough for all the grief that people dish out. I try my best every day but I often "fail".

Besides, people would say "Get off the DIS, lady!!" LOL

 

[SharpMomOfTwo]

For what it's worth here's my take.

John looked exhausted. Kate looked angry. That's probably absolutely normal for everything that's been going on.

Kate kept complaining about the "papparazzi". Here's an easy way to make them go away -STOP THE SHOW!!!!

I think it is incredibly selfish of them to keep filming this show. It can only have a negative effect on the kids.

Now that the kids will all be in school Kate and Jon coud both go back to work (whether they are together or not), skip all the freebies, get rid of the big house and excessses and try to live a normal life for the sake of the kids.

I think Kate likes being a celebrity way too much and I think Jon has checked out. One way or another it appears they've alienated everyone around them who helped or cared about the kids. Time to grow up, get over yourselves, and make the kids your #1 priority.

Oh and I don't buy the "I have 8 kids so I have to do a reality show" thinking. I have 7, DH and I have always fully supported them ourselves, no outside help. They've all gone to parochial school, the olders ones all graduated from college and we've still managed to do Disney. It can be done.

That is the most important thing, isn't it?!? Well, according to my DH, to me it is!! Good job on raising the 7 - must be hard - better you than me - I'm very happy with just two.

 

[jpaxton1118]

For what it's worth here's my take.

John looked exhausted. Kate looked angry. That's probably absolutely normal for everything that's been going on.

Kate kept complaining about the "papparazzi". Here's an easy way to make them go away -STOP THE SHOW!!!!

I think it is incredibly selfish of them to keep filming this show. It can only have a negative effect on the kids.

Now that the kids will all be in school Kate and Jon coud both go back to work (whether they are together or not), skip all the freebies, get rid of the big house and excessses and try to live a normal life for the sake of the kids.

I think Kate likes being a celebrity way too much and I think Jon has checked out. One way or another it appears they've alienated everyone around them who helped or cared about the kids. Time to grow up, get over yourselves, and make the kids your #1 priority.

Oh and I don't buy the "I have 8 kids so I have to do a reality show" thinking. I have 7, DH and I have always fully supported them ourselves, no outside help. They've all gone to parochial school, the olders ones all graduated from college and we've still managed to do Disney. It can be done.

 

[alexandria674]

Kate is obviously much stronger than Jon. She faced the situation head on and addressed the media honestly. I am sure she is hard to live with yadda yadda yadda..but Jon is weak and blaming everyone but himself. He said he didn't want to do the show anymore but yet he continues to do the interviews? Why doesn't he just stop and let Kate do it? He wants and needs the money! How else is he going to support that sportscar driving college bar hanging life he so feels he deserves after staying home what? 1-2 years?

I applaude Kate for what she is doing. The whole situation is very sad but she must continue to be the strong supportive parent because they will need it.

What is so sad is life was just about to get easier for both of them when school starts for them. They made it through the roughest of years and now they fall apart. I hope they find a way to make it work.

A part of me believes all of this could be for ratings! At the end of the season they make up or something like that.

I agree. I have read some of the posts and there does seem to be some Kate-bashing going on, but then again she does work hard for her family. We can say,"It her way of making money off her family" or "She likes the fame" but then again that money is going towards the family. Kids cost a lot of money, especially 8 of them. I don't know if Jon or Kate have cheated, I don't know anything about their finances like some people do, but I have to say that Jon has responsiblity in this situation too. It shouldn't just be Kate who is at fault here, Jon had some say (or didn't say anything at all) in this situation. Kate, despite her abrasive behavior, is the one who is making money. When Jon was working I didn't hear about him driving out in a ooh-la-la car and going to clubs, it's Kate who makes the money.
She is a strong, supportive person and when the chips are down and I were in a crisis, it would be Kate I would be looking towards. Kate didn't make herself be a you-know-what, it wasn't one day she was sweet Kate then the next, a whole other story. Sure, it may have been the television show that changed her behavior, but we cannot solely contribute that. I think Kate looked around and saw that she had to manage these kids and sometimes, Jon didn't seem all that supportive (from what I saw on the show) so she changed to accomodate what is going on.


P.S. Can't we all just get along?

 

[DVCisME]

IMHO This is a very tough siyuation for everyone involved. I think whether one or both want out of the marriage it is still a very stressful time. To me Jon seemed to want it to work out and either missed Kate a great deal or resented her for not being around. Either way his feelings are valid, as are hers for thinking he has nothing to be upset about. They are seeing their marriage from different points of view, just like all of us on here. They are very aware of everyone else weighing in on the situation and how it will affect their children later in life.
I feel bad for them whether they but it in the public eye or not a marriage is hard work. With young kids it is even harder! It seems to me that Jon is depressed and that this might actually break him. The kids seem to know what is going on whether they know the extent or not doesn't matter. And honestly if Jon cheated, or Kate cheated seems to make no difference at this point.

 

[DMRick]

I also Agree with DMRick (that doesn't happen much) But lets stay on topic and not get personal on the attacks or points will be divvied and the thread closed.

Feeling is mutual, at least on this subject LOL

 

[sandramaac]

OMG, THIS THREAD IS EXHAUSTING ME, GONE 20 MINUTES AND 4 MORE FULL PAGES OF POST

I CAN'T DO THIS ALL DAY

I WILL BE INSANE BY THE END OF THE DAY

 

[PrincessKsMom]

For everyone who is giving Kate a pass and making excuses for why she MUST continue the showing (i.e, Jon doesn't work/can't provide, how will they live, etc.) what will Kate do once the show ends? What happens when TLC pulls the plug? What if the rating plummet and they cancel after this season -- then what will she do for cash? What if they never offered her a show, how did she think she was going to provide for her large family, especially if her husband could never keep a job to begin with? That's been my issue all along. After the twins, it should have been enough. If she stinks at being a nurse (and God knows she's completely inept whenever an injury or something comes up in the show) and Jon never liked to work/couldn't keep a job, why would you have more children?

This could all go away tomorrow, at the hands of TLC, so I don't want to hear that she's doing what she has to in order to provide for her family. Maybe she should get her nursing skills up to speed and start making amends with family members because she's going to need a lot of babysitter help if she ever comes back to the real world.

Another thing that irks me -- why is that everyone bashes Jon for his hair plugs, tan and exercising? Kate does the same thing and no one says a word because she needs a release. And if you watched the old shows, Kate was always on Jon about losing weight, how she loved his hair when they first met, etc. She was the one that was NEVER happy with him. She was always demeaning him and pushing him to work out, and watch what he eats and how he needs to get back to how he used to be.

 

[DreaGirl]

Kate is obviously much stronger than Jon. She faced the situation head on and addressed the media honestly. I am sure she is hard to live with yadda yadda yadda..but Jon is weak and blaming everyone but himself. He said he didn't want to do the show anymore but yet he continues to do the interviews? Why doesn't he just stop and let Kate do it? He wants and needs the money! How else is he going to support that sportscar driving college bar hanging life he so feels he deserves after staying home what? 1-2 years?

I applaude Kate for what she is doing. The whole situation is very sad but she must continue to be the strong supportive parent because they will need it.

What is so sad is life was just about to get easier for both of them when school starts for them. They made it through the roughest of years and now they fall apart. I hope they find a way to make it work.

A part of me believes all of this could be for ratings! At the end of the season they make up or something like that.

See, I see it as the opposite. I think she took the weak way out. Going to People magazine, going on talk shows, continuing her speaking schedule, talking about all of it on the show. Jon has not said much to anyone and didn't really say that much on the show. He said he wants to handle it in private, Kate on the other hand is out telling anyone who asks. JMHO.

When all this started I thought it might be for the ratings, but I don't think so now. Jon looked way to sad/upset/depressed. He isn't that good of an actor.

 

[DreaGirl]

For everyone who is giving Kate a pass and making excuses for why she MUST continue the showing (i.e, Jon doesn't work/can't provide, how will they live, etc.) what will Kate do once the show ends? What happens when TLC pulls the plug? What if the rating plummet and they cancel after this season -- then what will she do for cash? What if they never offered her a show, how did she think she was going to provide for her large family, especially if her husband could never keep a job to begin with? That's been my issue all along. After the twins, it should have been enough. If she stinks at being a nurse (and God knows she's completely inept whenever an injury or something comes up in the show) and Jon never liked to work/couldn't keep a job, why would you have more children?

This could all go away tomorrow, at the hands of TLC, so I don't want to hear that she's doing what she has to in order to provide for her family. Maybe she should get her nursing skills up to speed and start making amends with family members because she's going to need a lot of babysitter help if she ever comes back to the real world.

Another thing that irks me -- why is that everyone bashes Jon for his hair plugs, tan and exercising? Kate does the same thing and no one says a word because she needs a release. And if you watched the old shows, Kate was always on Jon about losing weight, how she loved his hair when they first met, etc. She was the one that was NEVER happy with him. She was always demeaning him and pushing him to work out, and watch what he eats and how he needs to get back to how he used to be.

I don't understand it either. It's like for some, Kate can do no wrong.

 

[madge]

Ok I think I'm caught up for the moment.

not me! 7 pages since I posted something at 9:30am.

we'll be on thread #4 before the end of the day!

 

[DreaGirl]

Article about the season premiere:
Critics Pan Season 5 Premiere of Jon & Kate Plus 8
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/critics-pan-season-five-premiere-of-jon-and-kate-plus-eight-2009265

 

[ThunderMTexpert]

OMG - You didn't seriously just say that!! Unless your are the prescribing Dr, you know nothing. He didn't look "high" to me at all, just a worn out guy who didn't want to be infront of a camera anymore.

He definitely didn't look like the same old Jon sitting next Kate. I might not say HIGH, but definitely........sedated. Oh, all right. All right. He LOOKED like he was on something. Hey, there are some morning where I look rough, too. But, in this episode, he LOOKED hung-over, or seriously medicated. ((& I wouldn't care if someone told me i LOOK like that on some mornings. Hey, he DID. Definitely didn't look.. "normal."