Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[1stluvispooh]

ok i just listened to this again on the repeat episode and this really bugs me because it truly shows what a liar and manipulator kate is:

kate "the paparazzi is coming after, good park job huh"

joel "whats paperotzee"

kate "shhh, dont say the word"

now her interview comment
"when you pull into the party store and your unloading you kids and your five year old joel, yells oh there is the paparazzi"

he did not say that he couldn't even say the word, and obviously was asking what the word meant it was just her self absorbed manipulated version of what he said

I said it before and will say it again look up narcissistic personality under the dsm manual and it will totally describe this person

the worst thing about this realtionship is the lack of respect that kate has for her husband someone said it a few pages back they should divorce and move onto healthy relationships perhaps a more low key person for jon and a stronger more in your face person for kate, who isnt afraid to put her in her place

Can you imagine the combustible fights they would have. You know Kate would not be "put in her place" quietly.

 

[madge]

I know. Kate is saying, "Why are they following us?" Hello! You put your family on national TV. So you have a problem with others filming you, too?

someone has written an article saying the same thing:
http://www.thedailynewsonline.com/articles/2009/05/26/entertainment/doc4a1b37d55e066670946553.txt

 

[madge]

I thought he was being snarky, what man wants to go to a spa? Not to mention the fact that he took Cara away to Utah, I just figured it was Mady's turn.

I thought the same thing. And I thought it was REALLY nice that Mady got some one on one time with her mom.

I do agree, sadly he seems to have checked out.

I think Kate had two options, marriage to him or the show.[Unfortunately, she has made it clear, it is the show. I do hope they were separated when he cheated on her, not that its right.

totally agree with the bolded.

and heeey .. nice to see you back on the thread. you were gone for a while!

 

[nuke]

and they keep on filming.

while I don't believe he's innocent in all of this, Jon looks like he has been browbeaten to believe that he should shoulder every bit of the responsibility in this situation. every thing has been spun to Jon's bad choices, wrong place/wrong time, the children will google me, etc. There are TWO people in the Gosselin marriage. They should share responsibility of the breakdown in the relationship. Kate claims she's been dealing with this for 6 months, that's she tried to "fix" things... even acknowledging it in the People magazine article. But, I can't help but wonder if, for one second, Kate or Jon considered taking this show off the air .. to work on their marriage in private. I saw no respect between them at all, on the couch or at the party.

I agree. When Kate said she tried to figure out what went wrong for six months I was screaming in my head HAVE YOU ASKED? Talking things out goes a long long way towards fixing the problems. Instead they took pot shots at each other in Season 4 and let it escalate to this.

 

[jpaxton1118]

I agree that last night was sad. I can not believe there are so many pages since last night and I am reading through them but I just wanted to add my 2 cents.

I asked my husband last night how he would feel if I was the one out there and he was at home. He said it would be very emasculating. I think that is where Jon is. His wife is out there and he is at home being the mother. Whether we think it is politically correct or not it is embedded in a man to be the hunter to go out and provide for his family. Please understand that I am not the type of women who believes a womens place is at home and a mans is at work. I think it is ok for both to work and some men do better at home, but I think in this case he needs to work. As a stay at home mom, I have that feeling at lot. I do not agree with the way he has handled it and I believe he is a big child and he was acting out like a child.

I felt really bad for Kate last night. I know she loves her new life and that is great, but IF she wants to keep her marriage together she needs to step back and maybe not go on so many trips, let Jon go out and work. He probably feels as though he has no direction. I am not saying she needs to stop everything she is doing but just relax a littel.

As Jon not being there for the party, who cares. My husband is a wonderful man who does so much for this family, but he does not help out with the party unless I ask him to pick up something at the store or anything like that. Every family is different in the way they handle stuff like that and you have to do what works for your family and that is what works for ours.

I feel like Jon is done. He pretty much said it when he said he was there for his kids and he did not say he was there for his wife or making it work with his wife. That said volumes to me. She said she was there but she did not give specifics on what she was there for.

 

[r4blessings]

Normally I stay off this thread, but one thing that does bother me is the attitude that Jon has about Kate's working. Whatever her faults are (and I agree there are many) Jon acts like Kate's working is entirely her choice, when I truly don't believe it is. I read Multiple Blessings and I do know that Jon's work history isn't dependable. Also, as much as everyone claims that Kate loves the fame, etc....I think Jon gets as much out of it as she does. He bought a two seater sports car (not practical, very expensive, etc) had hair plugs, teeth whitening, nicer clothes and vacations that he has clearly enjoyed. So, I think he has taken a lot out of their show, but is ready to throw her under a bus when it comes to the unpleasant aspects of their fame.

I mean, we have four children. My husband can no more go out and buy a sports car just for his use, or go out drinking in bars and spending all that money than a normal husband/dad. If Jon was really wanting to call it quits with the show, why keep spending money on such frivolous things? Just my two cents...but I would prefer to see more honesty from him on what he has gained in this. And if its been a mistake, then say it....but don't put it all on her.

 

[jpaxton1118]

My husband made a interesting comment last night. Kate laughs at Mady for acting bad and jumping up after the picture but Jon gets yelled at. What does that say about how much respect she has for her husband. I know he has his comments but come on. If you live day to day with that is can tear you down and that is how he looks, torn down.

 

[stahshee]

my dh never has helped with a party

 

[jpaxton1118]

Normally I stay off this thread, but one thing that does bother me is the attitude that Jon has about Kate's working. Whatever her faults are (and I agree there are many) Jon acts like Kate's working is entirely her choice, when I truly don't believe it is. I read Multiple Blessings and I do know that Jon's work history isn't dependable. Also, as much as everyone claims that Kate loves the fame, etc....I think Jon gets as much out of it as she does. He bought a two seater sports car (not practical, very expensive, etc) had hair plugs, teeth whitening, nicer clothes and vacations that he has clearly enjoyed. So, I think he has taken a lot out of their show, but is ready to throw her under a bus when it comes to the unpleasant aspects of their fame.

I mean, we have four children. My husband can no more go out and buy a sports car just for his use, or go out drinking in bars and spending all that money than a normal husband/dad. If Jon was really wanting to call it quits with the show, why keep spending money on such frivolous things? Just my two cents...but I would prefer to see more honesty from him on what he has gained in this. And if its been a mistake, then say it....but don't put it all on her.

Last night he said it was his fault. He said all of it was his fault and now he is trying to correct that so his kids will respect him in the future. I don't think it is all his fault but he is taking it all on him.

 

[madge]

I think because it illustrated that he is "out" of the marriage and "out" of their house. When Kate was away, she was working. What was Jon up to? It just illustrated that he is becoming an absent dad and estranged husband.

While Kate was gone, he was supposed to be caring for the children. That's been what his role in all of this is supposed to be. Now, in reality, was he? No idea. He did say last night that he's still taking them to school, etc. and Kate didn't dispute that.. but, I don't think we'll ever know what he's really doing at home all day.

I thought it was interesting that Kate made it a point to let the audience know that Jon has help, he's not doing it alone .. yet Kate went on and on about doing everything herself. right. if you have help, you have help .. what's the big deal?

The two should put their marriage FIRST, not the kids. They can surely take off for a week to work on things IF they wanted to. I don't think they want to. We just happened to watch Fireproof this weekend and I was noticing how many of these steps (days) would probably be beneficial had they been doing them all along.

agreed.

 

[brittsmum1998]

I thought the same thing. And I thought it was REALLY nice that Mady got some one on one time with her mom.



totally agree with the bolded.

and heeey .. nice to see you back on the thread. you were gone for a while!

Thanks Madge, I'm really trying to lurk instead of posting but sometimes I can't keep my irish mouth shut . I much prefer to read your posts as you say it more elequently and I always agree w/ you

 

[1stluvispooh]

Okay, for once, I was with Kate on this 110%!!! I hate when my kids bring home treat bags ... crappy $0.25 toys that break in 10 minutes (and then we cry b/c they break) and candy that they are begging to eat (like they need more sweets after a b-day party). And, of course, the jealousy the non-invited child in the family already feels over the B-day party is intensified when they see the goody bag from the party. And, like Kate, I suck it up and make treat bags for my kids' parties b/c it is expected by the kids.

There is no law that says You must provide goodie bags!

 

[airhead]

You probably are right but if Jon and Kate went to TLC and said our life it's a mess we can't do the show anymore. I would hope TLC would do the right thing.

Tlc is a business out to make money,not "do the right thing".

 

[Mermaid02]

There is no law that says You must provide goodie bags!

Are you sure??

 

[SnowWhite607]

I'm guessing there's a lot of money involved.

Sometimes its not about the money. Sometimes you have to take a step back and realize that airing your dirty laundry in front on the world may not be the best thing for your children. Yes the kids are happy, healthy, safe and loved but they could also be that way if they were NOT on TV!

 

[luvmy3]

Tlc is a business out to make money,not "do the right thing".

TLC is a business that depends on their viewers. I think that alot of fans will see TLC as evil if they continue to keep this show on the air under these circumstances. I think it will hurt them in the long run.

 

[Embel]

You should never treat strangers or friends better than people you supposedly love.

Oh don't worry, she didn't. Kate was fairly abrasive to everyone.

 

[DreaGirl]

After reading the comments it seems like I am watching a totally different show than some of you.

First off, Jon looked very sad and disconnected in the interview chair. It is very obvious that he gained a significant amount of weight. His eyes looked puffy and swollen and he just sounded sad. I really felt bad for him. He quit his job so that Kate could go on speaking engagements and book signings. As a SAHM I know where he is coming from when he said "the grass is always greener I guess." It was a very hard adjustment for me when I started staying at home with my DD, but at least I had my husband to lean on, he had no one as Kate was on the road for an average of 20+ days a month.

Kate IMHO seemed arrogant in the chair at the beginning. Her comments about Jon did not need to be said, yet she just can't help herself. She also brings fear to her kids by telling them that the paparazzi are chasing them and then when they got in Party City "okay, we're safe now". Way to give them anxiety. And I agree with the poster that said Joel said "What are paparazzi?" I'm sure they now know that what they are since their Mom brings it up to them.

If they have been having problems for 6 months and about 6 months ago Kate started traveling the country, then stop traveling and see if things change. IMHO she is done and he is done. She may want to work it out for the cameras, but I believe that Jon is being honest about the situation.

What amazes me is that everyone always says "don't believe the magazines, only believe them" so when Jon says he didn't cheat, shouldn't you believe him? Those same magazines say that Kate cheated as well, so which is it? Believe them or not?

To say that the kids are sheltered and have no idea is living in a fairy tale world. They may not know the words for it, but they can feel the anxiety of the situation, know that when Mommy is around Daddy isn't and vice versa.

As for Jon not being around during the party, well maybe he already had a party for them on their real birthday while Kate was tanning and running errands? Maybe he didn't want to have a big elaborate party to begin with since they were having personal issues? It also amazes me that people say "She needs a break, she has 8 kids, EIGHT!" but now that Jon is the primary child care person, he doesn't deserve a break? This was the first time she was home in several days (weeks) and he doesn't deserve a break or alone time? Double standard much?

And you can't tell me that when Kate gets home she dismisses the help. Who fixed the children's hair for the party? We know Kate can't do those styles (she has said so herself in the past). But yet she was doing it ALL ALONE. Baloney.

I'm putting on my flame retardent suit now.

 

[luvmy3]

Sometimes its not about the money. Sometimes you have to take a step back and realize that airing your dirty laundry in front on the world may not be the best thing for your children. Yes the kids are happy, healthy, safe and loved but they could also be that way if they were NOT on TV!

Exactly, if the life of reality TV has done this to Jon and Kate what the heck is doing to the kids? Do J & K even care?

 

[Mermaid02]

TLC is a business that depends on their viewers. I think that alot of fans will see TLC as evil if they continue to keep this show on the air under these circumstances. I think it will hurt them in the long run.

I don't think it will hurt them (TLC)- people love to gawk at an accident on the highway- it's human nature and MANY people will continue to watch no matter how disgusted they are by it.