Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[jpaxton1118]

Did anyone else notice that Jon said he did not cheat on kate?

 

[airhead]

I wish people would stop bashing Kate. Unless you have been in her shoes, it's a very difficult situation she is in. My husband had an affair and ultimately ended our marriage. I know how much it hurt me, I can't even put it into words, to have it played out for all the world to see, I can't imagine how that feels. It's been 3 years and my ex doesn't talk to me....ever. John reminds me of my ex. He checked out and is done with the family thing. He shows no emotion at all. My ex behaves the same way. Kate is trying to hold it all together, she was never a mushy person before, why would she show emotion now? Her comment that she is exhausted was referring to John, that she was putting the party together without his help. Yes there is help, but it is not the same as having your husband there with you. He was so arrogant arriving in his sports car, the one his girlfriend drove, to the party. Never mentioned that Kate did a good job. It was "we had some bouncy things" This man had his girlfriend at Kate's house sunbathing!! What a total lack of respect for your wife and family. Kate is expected to "be nice" to him at the party? Kate should speak to him? This man embarrassed his entire family to all the world. Everyone says the show should end.....maybe. However, this family has become accustomed to a certain life. It is much more difficult to walk away from a lavish lifestyle then it is to have nothing and gain it all. I think Kate is looking towards the future....no way can a single mom of 8 kids make a decent living. There won't be any child support/alimony.....the man has barely held in job in 5 years. He himself said he hasn't worked in 2 years. What kind of support would he give them? I don't blame Kate one bit for continuing. If you don't like what she does, stop watching and buying the books, magazines. The show will continue if there is ratings.

Sorry to go on and on, but I have NO respect for a cheating spouse. (I know there are rumors about Kate cheating, no one has yet to provide proof of that)

I totally agree

 

[madge]

After reading the comments it seems like I am watching a totally different show than some of you.

First off, Jon looked very sad and disconnected in the interview chair. It is very obvious that he gained a significant amount of weight. His eyes looked puffy and swollen and he just sounded sad. I really felt bad for him. He quit his job so that Kate could go on speaking engagements and book signings. As a SAHM I know where he is coming from when he said "the grass is always greener I guess." It was a very hard adjustment for me when I started staying at home with my DD, but at least I had my husband to lean on, he had no one as Kate was on the road for an average of 20+ days a month.

Kate IMHO seemed arrogant in the chair at the beginning. Her comments about Jon did not need to be said, yet she just can't help herself. She also brings fear to her kids by telling them that the paparazzi are chasing them and then when they got in Party City "okay, we're safe now". Way to give them anxiety. And I agree with the poster that said Joel said "What are paparazzi?" I'm sure they now know that what they are since their Mom brings it up to them.

If they have been having problems for 6 months and about 6 months ago Kate started traveling the country, then stop traveling and see if things change. IMHO she is done and he is done. She may want to work it out for the cameras, but I believe that Jon is being honest about the situation.

What amazes me is that everyone always says "don't believe the magazines, only believe them" so when Jon says he didn't cheat, shouldn't you believe him? Those same magazines say that Kate cheated as well, so which is it? Believe them or not?

To say that the kids are sheltered and have no idea is living in a fairy tale world. They may not know the words for it, but they can feel the anxiety of the situation, know that when Mommy is around Daddy isn't and vice versa.

As for Jon not being around during the party, well maybe he already had a party for them on their real birthday while Kate was tanning and running errands? Maybe he didn't want to have a big elaborate party to begin with since they were having personal issues? It also amazes me that people say "She needs a break, she has 8 kids, EIGHT!" but now that Jon is the primary child care person, he doesn't deserve a break? This was the first time she was home in several days (weeks) and he doesn't deserve a break or alone time? Double standard much?

And you can't tell me that when Kate gets home she dismisses the help. Who fixed the children's hair for the party? We know Kate can't do those styles (she has said so herself in the past). But yet she was doing it ALL ALONE. Baloney.

I'm putting on my flame retardent suit now.

I was watching the same show

 

[jpaxton1118]

After reading the comments it seems like I am watching a totally different show than some of you.

First off, Jon looked very sad and disconnected in the interview chair. It is very obvious that he gained a significant amount of weight. His eyes looked puffy and swollen and he just sounded sad. I really felt bad for him. He quit his job so that Kate could go on speaking engagements and book signings. As a SAHM I know where he is coming from when he said "the grass is always greener I guess." It was a very hard adjustment for me when I started staying at home with my DD, but at least I had my husband to lean on, he had no one as Kate was on the road for an average of 20+ days a month.

Kate IMHO seemed arrogant in the chair at the beginning. Her comments about Jon did not need to be said, yet she just can't help herself. She also brings fear to her kids by telling them that the paparazzi are chasing them and then when they got in Party City "okay, we're safe now". Way to give them anxiety. And I agree with the poster that said Joel said "What are paparazzi?" I'm sure they now know that what they are since their Mom brings it up to them.

If they have been having problems for 6 months and about 6 months ago Kate started traveling the country, then stop traveling and see if things change. IMHO she is done and he is done. She may want to work it out for the cameras, but I believe that Jon is being honest about the situation.

What amazes me is that everyone always says "don't believe the magazines, only believe them" so when Jon says he didn't cheat, shouldn't you believe him? Those same magazines say that Kate cheated as well, so which is it? Believe them or not?

To say that the kids are sheltered and have no idea is living in a fairy tale world. They may not know the words for it, but they can feel the anxiety of the situation, know that when Mommy is around Daddy isn't and vice versa.

As for Jon not being around during the party, well maybe he already had a party for them on their real birthday while Kate was tanning and running errands? Maybe he didn't want to have a big elaborate party to begin with since they were having personal issues? It also amazes me that people say "She needs a break, she has 8 kids, EIGHT!" but now that Jon is the primary child care person, he doesn't deserve a break? This was the first time she was home in several days (weeks) and he doesn't deserve a break or alone time? Double standard much?

And you can't tell me that when Kate gets home she dismisses the help. Who fixed the children's hair for the party? We know Kate can't do those styles (she has said so herself in the past). But yet she was doing it ALL ALONE. Baloney.

I'm putting on my flame retardent suit now.

Very well said. I could not agree more with everything you said.

 

[madge]

Did anyone else notice that Jon said he did not cheat on kate?

Jon has said that all along. he's never really wavered from his statement to the media... the whole poor choices, wrong place/wrong time, he never cheated, etc.

 

[Embel]

Normally I stay off this thread, but one thing that does bother me is the attitude that Jon has about Kate's working. Whatever her faults are (and I agree there are many) Jon acts like Kate's working is entirely her choice, when I truly don't believe it is. I read Multiple Blessings and I do know that Jon's work history isn't dependable. Also, as much as everyone claims that Kate loves the fame, etc....I think Jon gets as much out of it as she does. He bought a two seater sports car (not practical, very expensive, etc) had hair plugs, teeth whitening, nicer clothes and vacations that he has clearly enjoyed. So, I think he has taken a lot out of their show, but is ready to throw her under a bus when it comes to the unpleasant aspects of their fame.

I mean, we have four children. My husband can no more go out and buy a sports car just for his use, or go out drinking in bars and spending all that money than a normal husband/dad. If Jon was really wanting to call it quits with the show, why keep spending money on such frivolous things? Just my two cents...but I would prefer to see more honesty from him on what he has gained in this. And if its been a mistake, then say it....but don't put it all on her.

Very well put!

 

[luvmy3]

I don't think it will hurt them (TLC)- people love to gawk at an accident on the highway- it's human nature and MANY people will continue to watch no matter how disgusted they are by it.

True, but I do know fans that are now repulsed by the continuing of the show.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

Jon is completely checked out of his marriage, obviously for some time now. He seemed so cold and uncaring. IMHO they have been living apart I remember one of the tups telling Jon she didn't want her to go away anymore. He pretty much lied to her and told her he had to work. If I was Kate I would cut my loses. He obviously has changed and isn't the man she married. I saw the pain in her face and her body language. I just cant believe that he had no emotion for is own wife and mother of his children. I also don't buy the "Kate is so mean to Jon she drove to it". If you wife is demeaning then you be a man and stand up to her! It is the whole Dr. Phil theory people treat you how you set it up . I have very similar personality tendencies as Kate; when I go to far my DH calls me on it. He does not go out to bars and pick up young girls. I see a nasty divorce coming there way, so sad!

I do think he has called her on it many times. She just keeps saying "I am happy doing what I do." Not that that gives him any reason to cheat but you can see how someone could check out after that going on for so long.

 

[brittsmum1998]

After reading the comments it seems like I am watching a totally different show than some of you.

First off, Jon looked very sad and disconnected in the interview chair. It is very obvious that he gained a significant amount of weight. His eyes looked puffy and swollen and he just sounded sad. I really felt bad for him. He quit his job so that Kate could go on speaking engagements and book signings. As a SAHM I know where he is coming from when he said "the grass is always greener I guess." It was a very hard adjustment for me when I started staying at home with my DD, but at least I had my husband to lean on, he had no one as Kate was on the road for an average of 20+ days a month.

Kate IMHO seemed arrogant in the chair at the beginning. Her comments about Jon did not need to be said, yet she just can't help herself. She also brings fear to her kids by telling them that the paparazzi are chasing them and then when they got in Party City "okay, we're safe now". Way to give them anxiety. And I agree with the poster that said Joel said "What are paparazzi?" I'm sure they now know that what they are since their Mom brings it up to them.

If they have been having problems for 6 months and about 6 months ago Kate started traveling the country, then stop traveling and see if things change. IMHO she is done and he is done. She may want to work it out for the cameras, but I believe that Jon is being honest about the situation.

What amazes me is that everyone always says "don't believe the magazines, only believe them" so when Jon says he didn't cheat, shouldn't you believe him? Those same magazines say that Kate cheated as well, so which is it? Believe them or not?

To say that the kids are sheltered and have no idea is living in a fairy tale world. They may not know the words for it, but they can feel the anxiety of the situation, know that when Mommy is around Daddy isn't and vice versa.

As for Jon not being around during the party, well maybe he already had a party for them on their real birthday while Kate was tanning and running errands? Maybe he didn't want to have a big elaborate party to begin with since they were having personal issues? It also amazes me that people say "She needs a break, she has 8 kids, EIGHT!" but now that Jon is the primary child care person, he doesn't deserve a break? This was the first time she was home in several days (weeks) and he doesn't deserve a break or alone time? Double standard much?

And you can't tell me that when Kate gets home she dismisses the help. Who fixed the children's hair for the party? We know Kate can't do those styles (she has said so herself in the past). But yet she was doing it ALL ALONE. Baloney.

I'm putting on my flame retardent suit now.

No need to put the suit on for me. Very well said.

 

[Mermaid02]

After reading the comments it seems like I am watching a totally different show than some of you.

First off, Jon looked very sad and disconnected in the interview chair. It is very obvious that he gained a significant amount of weight. His eyes looked puffy and swollen and he just sounded sad. I really felt bad for him. He quit his job so that Kate could go on speaking engagements and book signings. As a SAHM I know where he is coming from when he said "the grass is always greener I guess." It was a very hard adjustment for me when I started staying at home with my DD, but at least I had my husband to lean on, he had no one as Kate was on the road for an average of 20+ days a month.

Kate IMHO seemed arrogant in the chair at the beginning. Her comments about Jon did not need to be said, yet she just can't help herself. She also brings fear to her kids by telling them that the paparazzi are chasing them and then when they got in Party City "okay, we're safe now". Way to give them anxiety. And I agree with the poster that said Joel said "What are paparazzi?" I'm sure they now know that what they are since their Mom brings it up to them.

If they have been having problems for 6 months and about 6 months ago Kate started traveling the country, then stop traveling and see if things change. IMHO she is done and he is done. She may want to work it out for the cameras, but I believe that Jon is being honest about the situation.

What amazes me is that everyone always says "don't believe the magazines, only believe them" so when Jon says he didn't cheat, shouldn't you believe him? Those same magazines say that Kate cheated as well, so which is it? Believe them or not?

To say that the kids are sheltered and have no idea is living in a fairy tale world. They may not know the words for it, but they can feel the anxiety of the situation, know that when Mommy is around Daddy isn't and vice versa.

As for Jon not being around during the party, well maybe he already had a party for them on their real birthday while Kate was tanning and running errands? Maybe he didn't want to have a big elaborate party to begin with since they were having personal issues? It also amazes me that people say "She needs a break, she has 8 kids, EIGHT!" but now that Jon is the primary child care person, he doesn't deserve a break? This was the first time she was home in several days (weeks) and he doesn't deserve a break or alone time? Double standard much?

And you can't tell me that when Kate gets home she dismisses the help. Who fixed the children's hair for the party? We know Kate can't do those styles (she has said so herself in the past). But yet she was doing it ALL ALONE. Baloney.

I'm putting on my flame retardent suit now.

I'm not going to flame you- but as far as Jon's appearance goes- drinking and hanging out at bars until the wee hours will do those things to a person... don't assume he was puffy eyed because he'd been crying.....

And as far as the party goes- there have been MANY birthdays here where the actual "day" is only celebrated with a special dinner (bday person's choice) and we go about our day the rest of the time and THEN have a party on another day.

There is blame for both parents here- I hate to see either one of them declared the martyr.

 

[Gabes_mommy]

I'm new to this thread - hi everyone! Here's my take on last night's episode.

As much as so many people can't stand Kate is how much I can't stand Jon. He is the worst kind of man to marry - lazy, un-motivated, passive agressive and immature. What kind of man in his 30s starts leaving his kids at home to hang out with college kids? And he just bought a sports car.

As the wife of a man in his 30s, I know for a fact that my husband would never want to hang out with college kids - he is completely past that phase in his life. What does it say about Jon that he isn't? It's like he just decided one day that he was sick of his life and shut down. If you are unhappy with your life make some positive changes - get marriage counseling or even file for divorce - don't start partying and have an affair with a 23 year old. And I just loved his whining about how he gave up his job last night - give me a break - if he wanted to work he would have a job. They admitted to having nannies last night - he does not "need" to be home with the kids, especially now that they are all school aged. He is definitely not a true SAH-parent - neither of them are. Those kids have been cared for by nannies for a long time.

Kate is a very strong woman and someone like that needs someone equally as strong to keep the relationship balanced with mutual respect. I think Kate just doesn't respect Jon which is why she treats him the way she does.

I really think they just bring out the worst in each other and I'm not sure the relationship can be saved.

 

[Mermaid02]

Jon has said that all along. he's never really wavered from his statement to the media... the whole poor choices, wrong place/wrong time, he never cheated, etc.

If it walks like a duck..... If he were to admit cheating he might lose some of his "Poor Jon- Kate's so mean" supporters..... Same for Kate... I don't expect either one to admit to an affair if there is one.

 

[Gabes_mommy]

There is blame for both parents here- I hate to see either one of them declared the martyr.

Well said! Both of them made some huge mistakes and that's how they ended up where they are now. I just feel bad for the kids.

 

[madge]

If it walks like a duck..... If he were to admit cheating he might lose some of his "Poor Jon- Kate's so mean" supporters..... Same for Kate... I don't expect either one to admit to an affair if there is one.

oh, I don't either .. I was just answering the PP comment. LOL ..

 

[Buckalew11]

Well now I know what it's like to get invited to a party wehre everyone knows each other but you only kbow the host so you can't follow along the stories they are telling you since you weren't there. On and no onr offers you a cocktail but manages to make some for their "friens".

Monique,
I did not know when they were replaying the episode. I saw this morning on TLC that it will run again tonight at 8pm EST. I didn't have an answer so I didn't provide one. Sorry you felt left out.

There is no law that says You must provide goodie bags!

That's why I only provided them once! I feel exactly like Kate about goody bags and I'm sure I have said it 100 times! But you are right, there is a law and life goes on with no goodie bags!!

Are you sure??

I was glad to see that the reporter for the Today Show felt much the same as I did while watching the show last night.

Jon being "checked out" can't possibly help things right now. How can Kate say OK, we'll quit doing the show when he doesn't seem to be saying, "I think our marriage can be saved if we stop filming or only do an update show every once in a while (yearly?)." He doesn't seem to have that attitude about the situation.
He's loving the attention from the younger women and sees his life differently now. I'm not sure that if Kate said, "Stop the cameras" if it would matter to him or not. I think he's tasted life without being A dad to 8 kids daily and seems OK with being dad during his visits while driving his sports car around town.
What kind of a man does that? Checks out of the marriage and enjoys his new found freedom? Seems to depend on whose DH is doing it! If it is Kate's, well, she deserves it after all this time but if it was yours, I'm doubting you'd think it was OK no matter how imperfect you are.

 

[I'mNoPrince]

DreaGirl

I totally agree but as with most things EVERYONE wants to make the DAD the bad guy and let the MOM off scott free.
Everyone Take off the Rose colored glasses and see this for what it is Kate is and has always been shown on the show (not sure about real life) as someone that is more of a drill sgt. then a mother and wife.
I only have 1 child but I do know that a way to become a better mom is to not go on a book tour while I have 8 childern at home. To not tell my Partner to quit their job as they are needed at home only to go away more then they ever were.

Wakeup People this will soon be the Kate and I'm late picking up my Kids during my Visitation time.

 

[Gabes_mommy]

He's loving the attention from the younger women and sees his life differently now. I'm not sure that if Kate said, "Stop the cameras" if it would matter to him or not. I think he's tasted life without being A dad to 8 kids daily and seems OK with being dad during his visits while driving his sports car around town.
What kind of a man does that? Checks out of the marriage and enjoys his new found freedom? Seems to depend on whose DH is doing it! If it is Kate's, well, she deserves it after all this time but if it was yours, I'm doubting you'd think it was OK no matter how imperfect you are.

Well said!

I guess being mean to your husband entitles them to have an affair.

 

[Promomx2]

One time when I caughte myself yelling at the tv, was when Kate was getting ready to go to Party City. She didn't even help the kids get ready. She just yelled and told them to get ready . Then she comes around the corner, "Go tell your sisters I'm leaving if they're not here, I'm leaving them."
Was Kate sooo lazy that she couldn't walk to where the majority of her kids were? Also wonder if she really would have left them?

 

[DreaGirl]

Jon being "checked out" can't possibly help things right now. How can Kate say OK, we'll quit doing the show when he doesn't seem to be saying, "I think our marriage can be saved if we stop filming or only do an update show every once in a while (yearly?)." He doesn't seem to have that attitude about the situation.
He's loving the attention from the younger women and sees his life differently now. I'm not sure that if Kate said, "Stop the cameras" if it would matter to him or not. I think he's tasted life without being A dad to 8 kids daily and seems OK with being dad during his visits while driving his sports car around town.
What kind of a man does that? Checks out of the marriage and enjoys his new found freedom? Seems to depend on whose DH is doing it! If it is Kate's, well, she deserves it after all this time but if it was yours, I'm doubting you'd think it was OK no matter how imperfect you are.

How do we know Jon didn't come to her months ago and ask for her to stop traveling as much, ask to stop the show? Why is Jon always the one at fault? I don't think he is the greatest Dad alive, but you have to give him some credit.

It seems to me that Kate got a taste of the celebrity life and she doesn't want to give that up for anything, not even her marriage. She likes the spotlight, the traveling, all the perks. She got a taste of what it is to be away from the kids and she likes that and doesn't want it to stop.

 

[1stluvispooh]

I caught that Jonn said that--about his staying home was chosen for him. What is that supposed to mean? I thought Jon got fired or laid off? Did he quit? And if he did quit, couldn't he have said, "No Kate, I want to work. It'll make me feel like more of a man." ?? If Jon hadn't been such a wuss for so darned long, things would probably have been a lot different.

Of course, in the next breath he is talking about "don't get me wrong, I love staying home with my kids." Does he? He's talking out of both sides of his mouth too. Seems to me like he allows a lot of "free-for-all-ing" esp. with the boys. Boys will be boys and all that good stuff but Jon seemed like he didn't care about how the kids were interacting to me. He seems as checked out in all that as he does with his wife.

DMRick, while I agree about TLC editing the way they wanted and what they wanted us to see, it still seems to me like people (posters) were watching 2 different shows or versions of the show. TLC didn't do a good job making people lean towards one or the other. The first like 20 posts after 9 EST show terrible anger towards the mother. There is a sprinkling of anger thrown in every once in a while for the father.

I didn't see people running to post that "Kate finally admitted she is working!" Oh well, the whole situation is sad and like I said, in need of a miracle, it seems. I know we'll see Jon with the Chopper show and also the Emeril show. This is all very sad and I feel sorry for the whole family.

Ok have you watched this show??? Do you know how much c*&^ he would have had to have heard had he told Kate No I want to work and not stay home and be your whipping boy??? If you have watched more than 1 episode of Jon & Kate you should know that Kate is like a dog with a bone and won't let anything go until she gets what she wants. She can outlast anyone!