Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[MICKEY4EVER!]

agreed. I don't think it's proof of Kate lying.

they HAVE to know by now, where ever Jon goes .. there will be someone with a camera. and if it turns out he was out at a bar while she was speaking, telling people he's home with the kids? I don't think that makes Kate a liar, I think it makes Jon disrespectful as a co-parent and spouse... further thumbing his nose at the whole thing.

We don't know what the arrangement of their relationship is right now. Jon may be fulfilling contractual obligations so the show can continue through season 5. They have an option on season 6 .. if they can get this one finished, then they might be able to opt out without a big financial hit.

Agreed, but I still think that Kate has to have some clue as to what is going on at home in regard to who is with the children. She's too much of a controlling mother NOT to know. I'm sorry, I just don't think that Kate is completely in the dark on all things: I think she wants the world to believe that her world is PERFECT and she is PERFECT.

She keeps telling us all she is not perfect, but she acts like she wants everyone to think she is.

 

[C.Ann]

I wonder who that is... since they seem to have cut out so many from their lives.

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Maybe that older woman who used to do laundry and such for them? Or perhaps the pastor of their church?

 

[allison443]

It seems like Kate has worked very hard over the past few years to position herself in this successful career of "reality show star" expanding into books, tv appearances, speaking engagements. In my opinion she will do whatever it takes to prevent the collapse of this career. If it means becoming a show about a single mom of eight, that's what I think she will do if TLC goes along with it.
I don't know how much they have made from the show. Is it enough for them to be able to stop now and still maintain the lifestyle that they want to have? A big house, nice clothes, private school, trips. We all want to give our kids a good lifestyle. (That's why many of us limit the number of kids we have.) I think it is clear that there is no way J & K could have that lifestyle on regular salaries as a nurse and IT worker. If they didn't earn all the money from the show, their lives would be very very different in terms of what they can provide for their kids.
Just like the mom of octuplets-everyone was asking how she is going to support that many kids. When the Gosselin sextuplets were born, I think Jon was unemployed. He then got a job in the Pa. governor's office. Whatever they say about doing the show so they can record their kids' childhood, I think it's pretty obvious that economic reality was the big factor in the decision to do the show. I think Kate recognizes that economic reality and she will not go back. Just my opinion.

 

[allison443]

Also want to add, I am not a Kate "fan" and I do have criticism of them for doing the show, however, I hope she has a friend or family member she can talk to at this time. She seemed very stressed on those appearances. I really hope she hasn't cut everyone out of her life except Jon and the TLC people.

 

[sbell111]

agreed. I don't think it's proof of Kate lying.

they HAVE to know by now, where ever Jon goes .. there will be someone with a camera. and if it turns out he was out at a bar while she was speaking, telling people he's home with the kids? I don't think that makes Kate a liar, I think it makes Jon disrespectful as a co-parent and spouse... further thumbing his nose at the whole thing.

I think that we are reading too much into Kate's comment.

Imagine that you go on a business trip to somewhere fun, Disney, Vegas, Cleveland, wherever. Since it's a fun place, others brought their spouses along, but you didn't because the kids were in school and you and your spouse didn't want to disrupt that. If someone asked you if your spouse was came along, wouldn't it be fine for you to say "No, he/she is at home with the kids", even if he/she wasn't necessarily 'at home' every minute that you were gone, or even that specific moment that you made the statement?

Now the last part is the grey area of reality tv and child labor. Reality is a relatively new genre and this has not been addressed by the law (I believe). However, no minor should be subject to having their entire lives broadcast on tv, for profit or not; with no regulation. That should be a right of a legal adult, but a child has no say. Therefore guidelines need to be enforced. This is more than a mom with a videocamera. This is permanent lights and microphones set up and lots of people in and out of the house all day. Not to mention TV appearances and photo shoots. It's not normal or desirable. I wouldn't want it for my kids.

It begs for regulation!

I don't believe that current laws agree with your position.

Further, parents get to decide countless number of things for their children. Just because a child has 'no say' in something, doesn't make regulation necessary.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I had 2 thoughts regarding the show...

How many times has Kate said that they'll only keep doing the show as long as it's happy, fun and they are enjoying it? I find it hard to believe that they're enjoying THIS mess. She also loves to say the show gives them life experiences and learning experiences. Hmmm, ok so the kids will learn that they get special attention everywhere they go, they get free clothes, free haircuts, free dentist appts., books with their little faces all other them, photo shoots, being the center of attention, going on Oprah and so on. What else are they learning? I'm sorry but it is very unhealthy, imagine these kids when they're in their teens (someone else mentioned this on the thread). Childhood is such a short time in a person's life, you're talking about maybe 15 years out of 60 or 70. Sadly they're being robbed of that. Do the well-being of their kids mean nothing? Money doesn't guarantee a healthy childhood and we all know how many times Kate has said she wants to give her kids all the things she didn't have. But at what cost?

This new house and all of the people we used to see on the show...I'm wondering if the new house was a way for Jon to live seperately from Kate. The fact that Beth, Kate's brother, Aunt Jodi and Carla are all missing makes me wonder if it was done purposely by J&K. If they kept those people out of their lives, then nobody would know they were living seperately. Has any of those people been seen at all during season 4? I don't recall.

 

[newtodis]

I am working on finding the specifics .. but it's been mentioned on 2 blogs (and apparently confirmed by a Reading, PA radio station) that Jon was out at a bar last night, when Kate mentioned on Larry King Live that he was home with the kids.

Yikes - I'll be looking forward to the rewards from your sluething skills!

On it's own the trip isn't too weird...but the whole season was out of character for the family. It's adding it all up that was weird. I get doing some things separately - makes everyone feel a bit more special and sometimes just works with family life - but a whole season of awkwardness and excuses for being separate. Makes me wonder....

Totally agree!

I doubt that very many eight year olds watch much TLC. If someone were to set up cameras and film you as you went about your normal day, would you be working more than you were prior to the appearance of the cameras?

Imagine that I set up a camera in my infant's bedroom and film him/her all day and night. I then broadcast the footage of the baby eating, sleeping, crying and pooping on my cable channel (BabyTV, all baby, all the time). I haven't violated any child labor laws, because my child is not laboring.

My DS4 loves this show - he tells people it's his favorite show - so I don't find it hard to believe other kids are watching this show. And it's not just on TLC anymore - it's on the nightly "entertainment" shows and other media outlets as well.

Unfortunetly as demonstrated by some pictures I posted a few pages back, filming is much more involved than just putting your camcorder on the dresser and making a home movie - at least for TV purposes. The lighting has to be right, you need more than one camera to get the "right" angles, the sound guys have to have their stuff, there's a LOT involved. So, yes I would say your poor baby was working at that point because those lights are darn hot and the child wouldn't be able to just lay there without sweating and heating up which would lead to fussing which generally leads to frustration on the parents part if the child doesn't calm down.

 

[newtodis]

Imagine that you go on a business trip to somewhere fun, Disney, Vegas, Cleveland, wherever. Since it's a fun place, others brought their spouses along, but you didn't because the kids were in school and you and your spouse didn't want to disrupt that. If someone asked you if your spouse was came along, wouldn't it be fine for you to say "No, he/she is at home with the kids", even if he/she wasn't necessarily 'at home' every minute that you were gone, or even that specific moment that you made the statement?

It would depend on why they weren't at home with the kids as we'd agreed prior to me leaving. Going out to the bar, no that's no cool unless there's a darn good reason (someone's birthday maybe but really at 2am???). I will be the first to say that I have Kate's tendencies though...

Childhood is such a short time in a person's life, you're talking about maybe 15 years out of 60 or 70. Sadly they're being robbed of that.

This new house and all of the people we used to see on the show...I'm wondering if the new house was a way for Jon to live seperately from Kate. The fact that Beth, Kate's brother, Aunt Jodi and Carla are all missing makes me wonder if it was done purposely by J&K. If they kept those people out of their lives, then nobody would know they were living seperately. Has any of those people been seen at all during season 4? I don't recall.

I like the point about the childhood - totally agree.

My understanding was that they're still in the kid's lives just not involved with the shows...who really knows!

 

[Buckalew11]

Wow. Blame the victim much?

oh sorry. I should have been clearer. I think a lot of people may have been able to see my point.

My behavior was bad. I am ashamed of how I acted. I am responsible for my own actions towards this guy. I own the way I treated him and am not blaming him for not being as nice as I could have been to him. It was my choice. However, he allowed me to treat him that way. I tried it on DH when we were dating and he stopped it right away. It never happened again. Obviously, it was something I could control. If that guy would have stood up for himself and said to me, "You are not going to treat me this way." I think the same would have happened in our relationship. That's all I am saying.
I think Kate treats Jon that way because he lets her. I think she is also responsible for treating him not so nice. I am not saying we should blame the victim. But many times if the victim would speak up, it jerk some sense into the badly behaved.
That's all.

And, years later, I have apologized for my "bad behavior".

 

[Cory's Gal]

It really disappoints me that TLC is so low that they are just carrying on with the next season and not considering this family ESPECIALLY the children, during all this mess! I know they are just thinking money, money, money, but how unresponsible they are being through all this! They should yank the show NOW and should somewhat be held accountable for these kids! It's sad to think in a few years we will probably be seeing an E! True Hollywood Story about this family and how their lives have spun out of control!

I am glad that everyone on this thread are concerned about the kids! Their lives are never going to be the same.

 

[DreaGirl]

Someone made a comment upthread about doing the show as long as they are happy. I remember her saying that they have a family meeting and if the kids don't want to do it, they'll stop. Ummm, okay.

I don't care what she says, those kids are working. If you have a camera man, sound man, and producer following you around then that is work. If Kate is stressed out imagine how the kids feel.

I also wondered why Jon hasn't come out to comment for himself. His last statement was obviously written by the PR (that means Public Relations ) person.

Did anyone read that they are having a big party for the sextuplets this weekend for their birthday? The only catch is that they are charging people to come and giving it to charity. I hope that is just a nasty rumor. Let them enjoy their birthday!!

 

[FergieTCat]

It really disappoints me that TLC is so low that they are just carrying on with the next season and not considering this family ESPECIALLY the children, during all this mess! I know they are just thinking money, money, money, but how unresponsible they are being through all this! They should yank the show NOW and should somewhat be held accountable for these kids! It's sad to think in a few years we will probably be seeing an E! True Hollywood Story about this family and how their lives have spun out of control!

I am glad that everyone on this thread are concerned about the kids! Their lives are never going to be the same.

If the contracts were signed before the season began, there's not much TLC can do without a legal hassle. Same for J&K. Seems to me that TLC is already looking for a replacement (Table for 12) to appeal to the same fan base. Maybe this is the last season.

Did anyone read that they are having a big party for the sextuplets this weekend for their birthday? The only catch is that they are charging people to come and giving it to charity. I hope that is just a nasty rumor. Let them enjoy their birthday!!

Are they charging people to come and giving it to charity, or did they ask for people to donate to a charity instead of bringing gifts? There's a big difference in intention.

 

[betsywdw]

I usually just lurk here and read away...thanks everyone!

Take this for what it's worth but it was just posted on Perez Hilton earlier.


With Jon Gosselin battling accusations of infidelity, Kate Gosselin's own transgressions are coming to light.

A source tells Star magazine, "I heard Kate was getting way too close with her personal trainer, so Jon started cheating." There are also rumors linking the mother of 8 to her silver-haired bodyguard, nicknamed Mr. Gray.

 

[DreaGirl]

Are they charging people to come and giving it to charity, or did they ask for people to donate to a charity instead of bringing gifts? There's a big difference in intention.

From what I read (and this was from a blog, so take it with a grain of salt) they are charging people to attend the party. Then they will give that money to charity.

 

[Eeyore'sthebest]

I just have a couple of comments and then I really need to get back to work. You guys and this thread are addicting, even though I usually only lurk.

1. My 9 yo DD loves TLC no matter what is on. It's usually a channel that we can all agree on after being overdosed with Hannah Montana and iCarly. So yes, kids Mady and Cara's age watch this channel willingly. I'm positive their classmates are aware of this show and have watched it.

2. Jon made a comment awhile back about how he can only be J&K+8 and never just Jon. How many SAHMs or SAHDs are ever themselves? I know that I lost my identity the minute my kid hit school. I became DD's mother, Troop GS leader, lady from church, etc. No matter what you call it, my identity has truly shifted to being my child's mother. Now, I do work outside the home but the minute you bring your child to the office for Take your child to work day, your identity truly shifts to being a parent. I brought my DD in 2 weeks ago and have been asked several times about my DD since that event. Does it bother me? Nope, not one bit. I love being a mother and wouldn't trade it for the world. But honestly, once they had the tups and the whole world knew, he was never going to be "Just Jon" ever again. Sorry but it goes with the territory.

I think Jon and Kate need to get out of the house together for a long weekend without the kids. They need to reconnect as a couple. I believe that is seriously lacking in their relationship.

Alright, that is my 2 cent psychoanalysis. Now back to the job that actually pays the mortgage.

 

[Buckalew11]

I think one of the saddest things about these reality shows is that we don't know how it will affect the kids when they are older (teens and up). SO many child stars of years past had so many different problems with life....drug abuse, alcohol abuse, etc. and so many ended up with messed up lives.
I've often wondered with a track record like that for TV kids, why anyone would want their child to be a star!
We know how negative sitcoms were for kids (not all, but it seems most) but we don't know how reality TV will effect their lives. For me, it'd be to risky to take the chance. I think they should have stuck with a documentary.

 

[blissventure]

" There are also rumors linking the mother of 8 to her silver-haired bodyguard, nicknamed Mr. Gray.
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Interesting. Mr. Grey, huh? I figure it won't be long until she's reportedly getting too close to Mr. Big. TLC would be able to shelve the family thing and head in the direction of Sex in in the 'Burbs. JK, Seriously, the whole situation is a mess.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I seriously doubt that Kate has cheated on Jon, when in the world does she have time?

And with her body guard? No doubt the body guard hears how Jon is spoken to and wants no part of that All kidding aside though, at this point the tabloids have seen what a frenzy the story about Jon has caused and are itching to stir the pot more.

 

[DreaGirl]

I honestly don't think Kate cheated on Jon. She thinks boys are icky and gross.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I honestly don't think Kate cheated on Jon. She thinks boys are icky and gross.

Careful or we will start a whole new rumor.