Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[sbell111]

oh sorry. I should have been clearer. I think a lot of people may have been able to see my point.

My behavior was bad. I am ashamed of how I acted. I am responsible for my own actions towards this guy. I own the way I treated him and am not blaming him for not being as nice as I could have been to him. It was my choice. However, he allowed me to treat him that way. I tried it on DH when we were dating and he stopped it right away. It never happened again. Obviously, it was something I could control. If that guy would have stood up for himself and said to me, "You are not going to treat me this way." I think the same would have happened in our relationship. That's all I am saying.
I think Kate treats Jon that way because he lets her. I think she is also responsible for treating him not so nice. I am not saying we should blame the victim. But many times if the victim would speak up, it jerk some sense into the badly behaved.
That's all.

And, years later, I have apologized for my "bad behavior".

I don't think that it's the victim's responsiblility to advise their abusers of the error of his/her ways.

Kate doesn't need Jon to tell her that she's treating him poorly. Heck, I doubt she would hear it if he were to say it. People like Kate 'know' that they are always doing the right thing and would never do anything inappropriate. She's an awesome wife, mother and human being, just ask her.

 

[pweyl36]

You know the more I think and read about these people the more I suspect they have been separated for a while.
The separate trip to Utah earlier in December (from what I read it sounds like he has a condo/timeshare there so he can go play whenever he wants), no mention of a family Christmas - something they generally seem to at least talk about, Jon going to his Mom's to "help out" which meant Kate had to do a couple of trips out with the kids on her own - showing and telling everyone she can manage just fine and thus showing TLC the ratings are still there without Jon, the whole season they were very awkward on the couch, Jon referencing that he is not happy with moving forward with the next season. I wonder if they even bought that house so that they could be somewhat together for the kids but with a separate apartment for him so they could lead separate lives....
Sounds like they've been building up to going public with this separation and continuing the show with Kate and the kids on their own. I think part of what Kate is ticked about is that he has messed up the timing, if they had wanted to handle this through the next season on the show. She never said he did not cheat. She never said the two of them are together and working this out. So much of what she said referenced that she and the kids would be fine and that she and Jon would put them first. I don't know .... nothing really seems to ring true with this couple right now.
Anyone else wondering the same thing?

You could be so right.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

I don't think I have the brain power to catch up on everything today...

I'm guessing there's nothing new, though, just a lot of the same conversations back and forth, Jon sucks, Kate made him do it, sunbathing, poor Kate, poor Jon, poor kids, US Weekly, Larry King. Does that sum it up? Please say it does...or Madge, gimme the Reader's Digest version? You guys have been busy today!

 

[madge]

I thought Jon was basically BEGGING for help OUT when he was sitting on the couch in that interview and said "It is really hard for me, because I can't just be Jon, I have to be Jon and Kate plus 8 all the time, and it's hard"

I thought, well your an adult, so don't do the show anymore, but he doesn't have a choice, it's all up to Kate . SHe would make his life hell and leave him if he dropped the show. . So he just sat on the couch and whined about it, hoping someone woudl hear him.

I also thought it was odd that he wanted to be "just Jon" I thought, but even in "real life" (whatever that means to them at this point) you are a married man with eight kids, so you are "jon and kate +8" you are more than yourself now, you are a family. He sounded like he wanted to be on his own.

I wonder if he really wants out of ALL of the spotlight. I think he probably enjoys many of the perks that come along with being Jon Gosselin. Like cars, and ski trips, etc.

 

[madge]

I don't think I have the brain power to catch up on everything today...

I'm guessing there's nothing new, though, just a lot of the same conversations back and forth, Jon sucks, Kate made him do it, sunbathing, poor Kate, poor Jon, poor kids, US Weekly, Larry King. Does that sum it up? Please say it does...or Madge, gimme the Reader's Digest version? You guys have been busy today!

I'm in the same boat. I've commented on a couple of things, but I don't have the capacity to put together too many coherent thoughts. It's been a long day. LOL.

I watched Larry King, it was a lot of blah, blah, blah .. same, same, same. Kate never wanted to be a celebrity, expects that people believe that all these outings, etc. are part of their everyday life and the cameras are just following around. (that's implied. she doesn't come out and say that verbatim)

One thing I did find interesting. They've never asked for anything to be taken out of one of the shows .. the tantrums, incident buying the beds, etc. were all left in the show at the OK of the Gosselins.

The rest of it, I'm not sure what's been posted today. I pick and choose what to comment on, but haven't really read much.

 

[talulabelle]

I don't think I have the brain power to catch up on everything today...

I'm guessing there's nothing new, though, just a lot of the same conversations back and forth, Jon sucks, Kate made him do it, sunbathing, poor Kate, poor Jon, poor kids, US Weekly, Larry King. Does that sum it up? Please say it does...or Madge, gimme the Reader's Digest version? You guys have been busy today!

Umm, that about does it, but you missed labor laws yada yada yada, waiting for the true Hollywood story in 10 years with the kids holding up convienence stores, Kate has no one to talk to because she has cut them all out of her life and OH! the biggie! According to PerezHilton Kate has been cozy with her personal trainer and/ or her bodyguard, nicknamed "Mr. Gray" for his silver hair.

 

[talulabelle]

I'm in the same boat. I've commented on a couple of things, but I don't have the capacity to put together too many coherent thoughts. It's been a long day. LOL.

I watched Larry King, it was a lot of blah, blah, blah .. same, same, same. Kate never wanted to be a celebrity, expects that people believe that all these outings, etc. are part of their everyday life and the cameras are just following around. (that's implied. she doesn't come out and say that verbatim)

One thing I did find interesting. They've never asked for anything to be taken out of one of the shows .. the tantrums, incident buying the beds, etc. were all left in the show at the OK of the Gosselins.

The rest of it, I'm not sure what's been posted today. I pick and choose what to comment on, but haven't really read much.

ohhh, I missed the incident "buying the beds" what happened? I love when she acts up, because then I can say "see DH? See how good you got it?"

 

[Eeyore'sthebest]

ohhh, I missed the incident "buying the beds" what happened? I love when she acts up, because then I can say "see DH? See how good you got it?"

My DH feels the same way whenever he sees this show. He can't even watch it. And yes, he tells me how good he has it.
So see, the show is good for something. Its good for reminding our men how lucky they are. Between this show and Bridezillas I'm a damn saint in DH's eyes!

 

[3prettyprincesses]

ohhh, I missed the incident "buying the beds" what happened? I love when she acts up, because then I can say "see DH? See how good you got it?"

The bed buying incident was the episode where they all went shopping for new beds for the little ones. Kate was taking forever, the kids were running wild and poor little Collin was constipated. That poor baby was in pain! Anyhoo, Jon took him to the car to um, let's just say he helped Collin pass his stool with the aid of a plastic bag. On camera. That's way they mean by the "buying beds incident". Can you imagine how mortifying that will be when Collin is older?? Poor little guy. I would've edited that out but J&K were apparently ok with it.

 

[Buckalew11]

I don't think that it's the victim's responsiblility to advise their abusers of the error of his/her ways.

Kate doesn't need Jon to tell her that she's treating him poorly. Heck, I doubt she would hear it if he were to say it. People like Kate 'know' that they are always doing the right thing and would never do anything inappropriate. She's an awesome wife, mother and human being, just ask her.

Well, I believe we allow ourselves to "walked on" all too often and if you are being mistreated, speak up if you want it to stop. Jon just sitting there allowing her to talk down to him drives me nuts. Speak up--unless he does and they edit it. Somehow, I doubt that though. Just the way I feel about it. I wasn't abusing this guy quite kate-style but I was bossy and smart assed with him for sure. I should have been a lot nicer to him, frankly, I didn't see it much at the time. Lucky for me I grew older and wiser.

I'm afraid that for Kate and Jon, they are both fueling a fire that may explode on them. It is sad for all 10 of them.

 

[longstangetrip]

As I said before I really believe they have been living separate lives for some time. That is why they have chosen their words so carefully like Jon saying he "did not cheat on Kate" not that he has not been with Miss Bikini girl. She really surrounds herself with winners...her brother and ex are throwing her under the bus!

I heard on the radio that TLC had confirmed (to ???) that Jon and Kate make $47,000 each per episode. They hold separate and joint contracts. Kids aren't paid, but are part of all of the show contracts? I don't get it.

Surely this summer will be it; how long can you fake it with the show, books and appearances? Are they really giving parenting and family advice?

 

[3prettyprincesses]

As I said before I really believe they have been living separate lives for some time. That is why they have chosen their words so carefully like Jon saying he "did not cheat on Kate" not that he has not been with Miss Bikini girl. She really surrounds herself with winners...her brother and ex are throwing her under the bus!

I heard on the radio that TLC had confirmed (to ???) that Jon and Kate make $47,000 each per episode. They hold separate and joint contracts. Kids aren't paid, but are part of all of the show contracts? I don't get it.

Surely this summer will be it; how long can you fake it with the show, books and appearances? Are they really giving parenting and family advice?

Holy cow!! Just for season 4 which had 41 episodes that's 1,927,000 each!! For only that season too! No wonder Kate is flipping out at the idea of having to cancel, she's literally rolling in it!

Wow, factor in all the $ for speaking engagements and love offerings, that's crazy! How can she be having a coniption fit over a coupon for a shower head then?? This is really weird.

 

[meloneyb21]

Man, this is a lot to catch up on....but I'm in it to win it! LOL

 

[Zandy595]

Holy cow!! Just for season 4 which had 41 episodes that's 1,927,000 each!! For only that season too! No wonder Kate is flipping out at the idea of having to cancel, she's literally rolling in it!

Wow, factor in all the $ for speaking engagements and love offerings, that's crazy! How can she be having a coniption fit over a coupon for a shower head then?? This is really weird.

Some people are just like that. I think I would probably be the same way. I could be a millionaire, but if I knew I paid more for something than I needed to it would drive me crazy.

 

[Promomx2]

does anyone know if they ever sold the old house. It might come in handy now.

 

[talulabelle]

Well, I believe we allow ourselves to "walked on" all too often and if you are being mistreated, speak up if you want it to stop. Jon just sitting there allowing her to talk down to him drives me nuts. Speak up--unless he does and they edit it. Somehow, I doubt that though. Just the way I feel about it. I wasn't abusing this guy quite kate-style but I was bossy and smart assed with him for sure. I should have been a lot nicer to him, frankly, I didn't see it much at the time. Lucky for me I grew older and wiser.

I'm afraid that for Kate and Jon, they are both fueling a fire that may explode on them. It is sad for all 10 of them.

I totally agree with this. It does not excuse Kate that Jon allows it. She is still verbally abusive. No one is making excuses for her. But it will go on as long as he lets it . People will only treat you as bad as you let them . I had a friend tell met this once when I was complaining about my relationship with some family members. "People will only treat you as bad as you allow them to treat you" It really struck me when she said it. But it has taken me years to actually wrap my head around it and "get it". People will only treat you poorly if you let them. If you don't stand up for yourself, try to "let it go", they may not see how badly they hurt you or affected you. They think since there is no reaction from you that it must have been exceptable. They feel good, because they get out what they want to with no resistence. It will happen again and again. I stood up to a family member after my friend told me this and said "I don't like it when you talk to me like that. I am not a child anymore. I am an adult and a mother. I deserve respect you would give another adult you are not related to. " I don't think they liked it, but they don't talk down to me anymore.

 

[Zandy595]

Was I dreaming or did Jon say in one of the episodes (maybe the vow renewal) that he never expected to get married and have kids? He made some comment about seeing himself at 50 years old dating a bunch of 20 year old girls. Does anyone else remember that?

 

[OhMari]

I never check out TLC's web page, until now.
I clicked on Jon and Kate's thread and then to the video's.
On the bottom of the screen the have commercial sponsors and they want you to vote if you think Jon cheated on Kate.

Here is a link;
http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/jon-kate-plus-8-webisodes/

It's sad that the commercials sponsors are cashing in on them.

 

[DreaGirl]

With all that is going on you would think that Kate would slow down her schedule right? Wrong!

She'll be at the Bentonville Sam's Club in Arkansas tomorrow. This after a 4 day media blitz in NYC.


5/9 Arkansas
5/13-15 Michigan


No wonder Zondervan took her speaking engagement schedule down!

 

[brockash]

You know the more I think and read about these people the more I suspect they have been separated for a while.
The separate trip to Utah earlier in December (from what I read it sounds like he has a condo/timeshare there so he can go play whenever he wants), no mention of a family Christmas - something they generally seem to at least talk about, Jon going to his Mom's to "help out" which meant Kate had to do a couple of trips out with the kids on her own - showing and telling everyone she can manage just fine and thus showing TLC the ratings are still there without Jon, the whole season they were very awkward on the couch, Jon referencing that he is not happy with moving forward with the next season. I wonder if they even bought that house so that they could be somewhat together for the kids but with a separate apartment for him so they could lead separate lives....
Sounds like they've been building up to going public with this separation and continuing the show with Kate and the kids on their own. I think part of what Kate is ticked about is that he has messed up the timing, if they had wanted to handle this through the next season on the show. She never said he did not cheat. She never said the two of them are together and working this out. So much of what she said referenced that she and the kids would be fine and that she and Jon would put them first. I don't know .... nothing really seems to ring true with this couple right now.
Anyone else wondering the same thing?

Good points, and I think very possible. At the very least I think they've been emotionally seperated for a long time (I've noticed since they moved into the new house.) The thing that really proves it to me; is the comments they make. When Cara and Jon came back from Utah, Kate talked about how much she missed Cara and how happy she was that she was back, didn't say anything about Jon. And especially right now, they're talking about focusing on "what's best" for the kids and the fact that they both love them very much; nothing about eachother. I hope it's not true, but in all honesty, I think for sure emotionally they've been done with the marriage, and if it weren't for the kids; I think they would have been divorced a while ago.