John Kerry & Saudia Arabia

[faithinkarma]

I'm thoroughly confused. Are the Saudis telling us to vote for Kerry or Bush? It is really hard to tell from the two articles submitted.

Because of course we are all so eager to make sure we vote the way the Saudis want us to.

 

[tinkerbeth]

(Putting on flame-proof suit...)

We3luvdisney, I think your signature line is closer to bashing democrats than anything Kerry said is to bashing the Saudis...

JMHO, of course.

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by peachgirl
With sources like Al Jazeera and a Saudi publication, I don't put much stock in your article. Btw, do you have a link for that story?

It does have that ring of the "vote for Bush or die" theory though.

Other than that, I'm not at all sure what point you think that article proves. Are you suggesting that we dare not try and wean ourselves off of Saudi oil for fear of making them angry with us????

I hope this is the link you are requesting:

http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/2990

I think I stated my opinion clear in the first posting, please go back and read it.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by tinkerbeth
(Putting on flame-proof suit...)

We3luvdisney, I think your signature line is closer to bashing democrats than anything Kerry said is to bashing the Saudis...

JMHO, of course.

Excellent point!

 

[faithinkarma]

So your position is

Has he lost his mind? He hasn't been voted President and he's already alienating other countries! If he's going to piss off Saudia Arabia, why not include Nigeria, Venezuela, Canada and Mexico? Based upon the Energy Information Administration these countries are also main suppliers.

and you then go on to cite an article that says

IF elected president, will John Kerry offer the Arabs a better deal? This is the question raised in the Arab media these days. Many different answers are given, but a consensus seems to be emerging that a Kerry presidency will lift what the Arab elite regards as its worst nightmare during the presidency of George W Bush.

I'm sure you can understand our confusion. Either the Saudis are angry with Kerry or they are eager for him to win because he will be so good to him?

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by Samsara
We3lovedisney I think you're contradicting yourself more than usual. First you post an article critical of what Kerry said because you fear it may "alienate" the Saudi Royal family and now you're posting an article suggesting that Kerry has ties that are too close to the same entity??? Which is it???

And to even suggest that Kerry may be more cozy with SA than the shrub is laughable in itself! Run from that record! Run!!!

Nope, it shows that Kerry is contradicting himself. First he's against Saudi, but then I post an article that shows he has ties to the same people he's against.

I don't think you should be asking me, "Which is it?" I think you should be asking that to Kerry (AKA Mr. Flip-Flop).

 

[Samsara]

Originally posted by we3luvdisney
Nope, it shows that Kerry is contradicting himself. First he's against Saudi, but then I post an article that shows he has ties to the same people he's against.

I don't think you should be asking me, "Which is it?" I think you should be asking that to Kerry (AKA Mr. Flip-Flop).

Please! Run from that record, run!!!!

 

[tinkerbeth]

I think you should be asking that to Kerry (AKA Mr. Flip-Flop). [/B]

Hey is that really his alias? Because he must have gotten a lot of guff in grade school over that one. Kids can be so cruel, can't they?

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
I'm thoroughly confused. Are the Saudis telling us to vote for Kerry or Bush? It is really hard to tell from the two articles submitted.

Because of course we are all so eager to make sure we vote the way the Saudis want us to.

What I receive from the articles is that the Saudi's want Kerry in office. Seems like Bush is a tad too hard on them.

May I suggest that you don't listen to anyone, but that little person in your head. Vote for the candidate that you feel will do best for you and America.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by we3luvdisney
I hope this is the link you are requesting:

http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/2990

I think I stated my opinion clear in the first posting, please go back and read it.

Maybe it's clear to you, but I don't think I'm alone in not having the slightest idea what your point is.

As for your link....It's a public relations firm and the article was written by an Iranian? Do I have that right?

Somehow I don't think information put out by a pr firm should be regarded as reliable, factual information.

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by tinkerbeth
(Putting on flame-proof suit...)

We3luvdisney, I think your signature line is closer to bashing democrats than anything Kerry said is to bashing the Saudis...

JMHO, of course.

Hey, what ever floats your bubble! Go ahead, make fun of the signature line, doesn't bother me.

 

[faithinkarma]

Nope, it shows that Kerry is contradicting himself. First he's against Saudi, but then I post an article that shows he has ties to the same people he's against.

um...you showed an article that said what the Saudis believe...at least what the author of the article believes they think. How exactly is this proof of anything Kerry might do?

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Maybe it's clear to you, but I don't think I'm alone in not having the slightest idea what your point is.

As for your link....It's a public relations firm and the article was written by an Iranian? Do I have that right?

Somehow I don't think information put out by a pr firm should be regarded as reliable, factual information.

Well, maybe if you read all the articles and refrain from the snide remarks (comment about my signature line).

Yes, it's a PR firm, but have you had the opportunity to read any of the other articles posted? Do you have a problem with Iranian people writing articles? If so, why?

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
um...you showed an article that said what the Saudis believe...at least what the author of the article believes they think. How exactly is this proof of anything Kerry might do?

We'll see, if he's elected. Going on his past record, I'm sure he'll be flip-flopping.

 

[faithinkarma]

Why do you never address the Bush flip flops that have been submitted? To list just a few :

As when he changed his stance on the 9-11 commission.

As he was when 'standing on principle' by not allowing Condi Rice to testify, and then relented

As he was when he called gay marriage a state issue, then backed a federal ban on it

As when he signed the McCain-Feingold Campaign finance bill, after opposing it

As in the months after 9/11 he resisted the Democrats call for a re-organization of the government to better co-ordinate domestic security efforts. When pressure grew to the point that even Republicans were abandoning him, Bush reversed course and insisted that a Homeland security Department was necessary.

Or as in, according to Time magazine " Bush is allowing another commission to investigate pre war intelligence on Iraq, which he had also opposed; wooing the UN, which he had derided; and signed the Sarbanes-Oxley corporate reform bill, which he had resited. In each case he ended up where a majority of the public sits".

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by we3luvdisney
Well, maybe if you read all the articles and refrain from the snide remarks (comment about my signature line).

Yes, it's a PR firm, but have you had the opportunity to read any of the other articles posted? Do you have a problem with Iranian people writing articles? If so, why?

My comment about your signature line wasn't a snide remark. Your signature line is insulting to Democrats, period. Nothing snide about it at all.

Yes, I read a few of the articles this person wrote. My problem with the source is that it's a pr firm and I'm have some difficulty figuring out just who their clients are. Also, a pr firm is not a reliable source of information. They exist to promote in a positive light whoever is paying them.

The articles you are posting are nothing more than editorial pieces, they are not factual articles. Just because they are written doesn't make them true. It's one man's opinion, nothing more.

 

[richiebaseball]

Originally posted by peachgirl
I'm not quite sure what we lose if the Saudi's don't like us.

Probably at least as much if the French or Germans don't like us.

Just one man's opinion.

Richard

 

[richiebaseball]

Originally posted by peachgirl
As for your link....It's a public relations firm and the article was written by an Iranian? Do I have that right?

So because it was written by an Iranian is a problem? You have something against Iranians?

Richard

 

[shortbun]

WE3luvDisney-count me as another Democrat offended by
your signature. I could get snide but your signature is snide
enough for both of us.

 

[tinkerbeth]

snide

adj : expressive of contempt; "curled his lip in a supercilious smile"; "spoke in a sneering jeering manner"; "makes many a sharp comparison but never a mean or snide one"

It was my original remark about the signature and it wasn't snide. The signature line is snide. The observation I made was just that, an observation, or perhaps a "sharp comparison", as they say in this definition. For someone who is deriding Kerry for being down on Saudis (which I still maintain he wasn't in that particular case), I found it ironic that you yourself are so openly bashing a group of not foreigners, but of your own countrypeople.