John Edwards chosen by Kerry as VP

[tommysmom]

Originally posted by dennis99ss
While Edwards will be attacked on the surface for his profession, etc. there is very little that he can be attacked on about his past. This is a man who grew up in blue collar home. he actually had a job. Yes, he did, and not one that was provided to him nor funded by his parents.

Ive been reading this thread and am no where near the end but this statement really really aggravates me. My father came to this country and worked his butt off. He had a job and worked hard to create a successful company. My siblings and I work there now...Please dont tell me , that because I didnt do the original work, my past nor my life is not as worthy as someone who worked it himself.

My father did this so his kids wouldnt have to . It the American Dream, no? While working he instilled in us values about hard work and integrity that have always stuck in my head and that I live by today. How dare anybody tell me or imply that because my job might have been funded by my hard working father, I am not as worthy.

I hope to God I can do the same for my children. Maybe if there were more parents that worked hard to to create something to leave to their children we wouldnt have so many people dependent on the government...

Im sorry, but that statement above is ridiculous and in my eyes UNAMERICAN!

 

[faithinkarma]

and before anyone jumps at me, I am not vouching for this story. I am just offereing it as one possible link in a chain of events that could lead to Cheney would not be on the ticket come November.

 

[peachgirl]

...Please dont tell me , that because I didnt do the original work, my past nor my life is not as worthy as someone who worked it himself.

It doesn't mean your life isn't as "worthy", but it does mean that your career accomplishments aren't as impressive as your father's.

Sorry, but one who does the "work" themselves has accomplished much more than one who had it handed to them.

that statement above is ridiculous and in my eyes UNAMERICAN!

And that ignorant statement has been so over used that it means nothing.

 

[Galahad]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
no, this story

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4799.shtml

I am not familiar with the source, so it may be suspect, but I do know other boards are all buzzing about it. Guess we will have to wait and see where the story goes. Personally, I am hoping it is not true.

Couldn't find it referenced, even recursively, on other sources. Also, have never heard of the source either. Perhaps it will make for an interesting news cycle.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
no, this story

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4799.shtml

I am not familiar with the source, so it may be suspect, but I do know other boards are all buzzing about it. Guess we will have to wait and see where the story goes. Personally, I am hoping it is not true.

I hope it isn't true as well. There are many in the Republican party who know Cheney is a drag on the ticket and would love to see him get thrown off the ticket.

I think he would've been gone long ago if Bush could've found a reason to do it that wouldn't make him look bad. Unfortunately, this may be their way out.

 

[Galahad]

Originally posted by peachgirl
I hope it isn't true as well. There are many in the Republican party who know Cheney is a drag on the ticket and would love to see him get thrown off the ticket.

I think he would've been gone long ago if Bush could've found a reason to do it that wouldn't make him look bad. Unfortunately, this may be their way out.

But is he a drag on the ticket for Republican voters? I just don't see that. I really don't think that ultimately people vote for Vice President anyway. If Edwards is the key to the Democrat ticket, then they should reverse the names.

 

[Eeyore1954]

Originally posted by Galahad
Couldn't find it referenced, even recursively, on other sources. Also, have never heard of the source either. Perhaps it will make for an interesting news cycle.

It's not even referenced, even by a link, by that bastion of truth, the Drudge Report. Anyway, this makes for some interesting reading about who CapHillBlue is.

 

[richiebaseball]

Originally posted by peachgirl
It's funny to hear the right complain about not focusing on the issues especially after nearly 300 replies on this thread with not a single post that actually addresses Edward's views on specific issues, his vision, plan or the direction he'd like to see the country go.

I agree. Doctor, lawyer, plumber, I don't particularly care what he did for a living. And I certainly don't want anyone telling me who I can and can't do business with. If I only want to work with clients that have a pretty good chance of winning and have large payouts, I call that good business.

Issues? Well the biggest one for me is Senator John Kerry. He's still on the ticket. After that? Well, Senator Edwards voted NO to ban partial-birth abortions http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00340
He voted NO to try to restrict violent video programming to children http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00114 (even Senators Kerry and Kennedy voted AYE for that. Go Figure)
He voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq but then voted NO on expenditures to support the troops.

There's a couple from me to start with. But for me, it's the #1 guy that going to get most of my consideration. And since that #1 guy is Senator John Kerry, I can't see myself voting that ticket.

Just one man's opinion.

Richard

 

[tommysmom]

Originally posted by peachgirl
It doesn't mean your life isn't as "worthy", but it does mean that your career accomplishments aren't as impressive as your father's.

Sorry, but one who does the "work" themselves has accomplished much more than one who had it handed to them.



And that ignorant statement has been so over used that it means nothing.

Sorry, but the implication is not that the accomplishments are not as impressive. I have heard this numerous times. I know what my father accomplished. And I hope that if Kerrys and Edwards offsprings benefit from their parents accomplishments they dont feel that implication.

And no, Im sorry, but my accomplishments weren't just handed to me. I went to college and worked hard..Why is it that obtaining a job and working for your family is referred to as a handout ? Whether its your family, the government or another employer its still a job...someone had to give it to you.....

And as far as an my supposed "ignorant" statement. Well, sorry, but judging anybody based on how they got their job is ignorant..

 

[faithinkarma]

Truthfully, I no longer trust any of the press. For a long time I bought into the whole liberal press bias thing, and then I began to listen carefully. Listening to the adjectives they slip in. I now listen to them and what I hear is the man song...I expect you have heard it...where a guy sings a line and then quickly sings another contradictory line half under his breath. " I can do whatever I want to do....as long as my wife lets me" etc

Like this morning Katie Couric asked a guest about an X million dollar settlement Edwards had won ( if it was deserved ) for someone. She inserted the "if it was deserved" so smoothly and in a quieter voice than the rest of her sentence, but the impression lingered.

I read as much of the world press as I can each day, and am astonished at the things that are not being reported here. I feel like there is a third party, and not the one led by Nader. It is the press, and who knows what their agenda is?

Now that I have strayed so completely off topic I feel free to add one last off topic thing:

getting to the end of this election without smoking is going to kill me !!!! Or severely harm those within my range. AAAACCCHHHHH!!!!

 

[wvrevy]

Cheney isn't going to be dropped from the ticket unless Cheney wants to be dropped from the ticket. You're talking about a man that basically decided he was going to be Dubya's Veep, remember ?



Boy, you guys have been busy since yesterday, though...The Republicans look scared to death...Have to say, it is pretty amusing watching them squirm I particularly like the fact that, when they can't paint Edwards as a typical ambulance chaser, they try to take the other road and slander him as someone only in it for the money. 'Course, the fact that his former clients all seem to love him shouldn't matter, since a former opponent (whom he apparently beat) seems to think he's a bad guy

The hypocrisy of the right just keeps on keepin' on

 

[Galahad]

I hear is the man song

I LOVE "The Man Song"! One of the funniest bits ever!

 

[Arabella Figg 2003]

thia is the energizer bunny of threads, isn't it?

 

[spearenb]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Boy, you guys have been busy since yesterday, though...The Republicans look scared to death...Have to say, it is pretty amusing watching them squirm I particularly like the fact that, when they can't paint Edwards as a typical ambulance chaser, they try to take the other road and slander him as someone only in it for the money. 'Course, the fact that his former clients all seem to love him shouldn't matter, since a former opponent (whom he apparently beat) seems to think he's a bad guy

Scared? Hardly! Dems over confident on this selection? Very much yes. Hell, why have the election when this selection sealed it? You still have to remember that Kerry John, is still running for President. That makes me scared to think what would happen if he did get elected!

We just remember what happened when the last 'good - looking, southerner, that is full of charisma' ran for president. And yes, we don't want America to be fooled again by sweet talk and looks. We are still paying for it. I mean, America takes the Web Wave and boosts the economy to the highest level in years and this GLM destroys it with Democratic policies and puts America into a recession.

And if we don't urge people to look behind the curtain on this man, who will? The press?

 

[KarenC]

Originally posted by Galahad
I based my opinion on the relatively small number of "undecideds" this time around. The fact that we are so polarized these days, things like MM's film or Edwards etc. aren't as likely, IMO, to change minds as much as they are likely to energize folks to vote who had already decided who to vote for.

Undecideds have had 3 1/2 years to get to know Bush. They are just now getting to know the Kerry-Edwards ticket (not everyone pays as much attention as us political junkies on the DIS).

It's the pattern for undecideds to break for the challenger. I think this election will end up being a lot like 1980. Close until the end, but ultimately going to Kerry.

 

[Galahad]

Originally posted by KarenC
Undecideds have had 3 1/2 years to get to know Bush. They are just now getting to know the Kerry-Edwards ticket (not everyone pays as much attention as us political junkies on the DIS).

It's the pattern for undecideds to break for the challenger. I think this election will end up being a lot like 1980. Close until the end, but ultimately going to Kerry.

But the pool of people that are not solidly in either camp is much smaller than usual.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by spearenb
Scared? Hardly! Dems over confident on this selection? Very much yes. Hell, why have the election when this selection sealed it? You still have to remember that Kerry John, is still running for President. That makes me scared to think what would happen if he did get elected!

We just remember what happened when the last 'good - looking, southerner, that is full of charisma' ran for president. And yes, we don't want America to be fooled again by sweet talk and looks. We are still paying for it. I mean, America takes the Web Wave and boosts the economy to the highest level in years and this GLM destroys it with Democratic policies and puts America into a recession.

And if we don't urge people to look behind the curtain on this man, who will? The press?

Terrified, actually...I mean, how else to explain the frantic attempts to cast Edwards in a negative light ?

As for the Clinton reference...yeah, that'd be terrible, wouldn't it ? 8 years of the type of prosperity we had to endure in the 90's ? How EVER will we survive ?

Question: Is there anyone with an income of less than 6 figures that can honestly say they're better off now than they were four years ago ? (and I know you can't, spearenb...I've seen the job market in WV...it's pathetic)

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by Galahad
But the pool of people that are not solidly in either camp is much smaller than usual.

Ya' know, i've heard this for quite a while now, and I just don't buy it. I think the reason this keeps getting perpetuated isn't that the pool of undecided voters is all that small, it's just that those that have made up their minds are much more vocal this time around.

JMO....

 

[Galahad]

Terrified, actually...I mean, how else to explain the frantic attempts to cast Edwards in a negative light ?

C'mon. That's politics. It was done with Cheney, it was done with Gore (I don't think it was done much with Lieberman). Fear doesn't lead to that....doing the next thing on the checklist leads to that.

Not sure I see anything particularly wrong with the tactic of the position or people that oppose the ticket (ostensibly) because of Edwards. For example, I'll be there are plenty of Democrat voters that would never Vote for Bush-Cheney, even from the first time around, and cite as a primary reason that they are "Big Oil" guys. Not a criterion I would use, but Democrats, at least, would consider it a legitimate reason not to vote for them. If I take a position that I would oppose ANY candidate that made his living suing doctors that would be no more nor less legitimate a reason.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by Galahad
But is he a drag on the ticket for Republican voters? I just don't see that. I really don't think that ultimately people vote for Vice President anyway. If Edwards is the key to the Democrat ticket, then they should reverse the names.

Using the dreaded polls...which is really the only way to get some idea of what Americans are thinking...

When asked who would do a better job of running the country, 45 percent said Edwards, while 38 percent said Cheney.

Moreover, when asked who is more optimistic about the future of the country, 49 percent said Edwards, while just 28 percent chose Cheney.

44 percent have an unfavorable opinion of Cheney compared with 41 percent who have a favorable opinion.

I'd say he's a definite drag on the ticket.