John Edwards chosen by Kerry as VP

Originally posted by William Jefferson Clinton
A quote by John Edwards on 1/28/2004



Looks as if both of them frequent the same eating establishment. I guess " No, no, Final means I'd love to be your #2. :rolleyes:

Bill aka Slick Willy
Actually, it means "I'd really prefer it if you didn't give potential voters a reason not to vote for me in hopes of getting Kerry and I on the same ticket" :rolleyes:

It was the primary season, and he was trying to win the nomination. It's the same reason prosecutors don't always want to give juries a lesser charge...Some will seize on it and ignore the more serious charge that the prosecutors actually wanted. Same concept...

But why bother with facts when you can make silly statements without backing them up ? :rolleyes3
 
Originally posted by Arabella Figg 2003
deniis, I agree with most of what you wrote.

I also disagree with the need for tort reform.


there are jurisdictions in this country where, as soon as I see the pleadings I start getting out the proverbial check book.

I've got a case right now involving environmental pollution over a 50-year period. my insured never did business at the site and did not manufacture the offending chemical during the relevant time period. the plaintiffs included my insured as a defendant because it is a "deep pocket". it will be almost impossible in that jurisdiction to get my insured out of the case prior to trial. because the cost of pretrial investigation will be substantial I am inclined to make an offer to settle the case. all the while I will be biting my tongue.

Dennis, I believe that Arabella Figg is completely right here. I'm sure she is a fantastic lawyer and I would be happy if she were representing me in a lawsuit.

I was not giving a blanket statement that all lawyers are evil. Merely the ambulance chasers trying to make millions and a name for themselves.

As for the comment about the pinto and the firestone tires. I apologize Arabella, I took it as directed at me.
 
Originally posted by dennis99ss
So, tell me what you think a frivolous lawsuit is?

Republicans define any lawsuit as "frivolous" if it in any way, shape, or form denies the full and unchecked power of any large corporation or business venture. Money, and thus power, should never be vested in the hands of those that could bring undue harm to these large, moneymaking entities.

Further, any judge or jury that sides with an individual over a corporation or other business entity should be removed from the bench due to their obvious "activist" mentality or, in the case of jury members, disavowed because of their liberal agenda.
 

Originally posted by faithinkarma
And what precisely would you have had Edwards say to that question while he was still in the running? Ever hear of a sports team member being interviewed where someone said "yeah, I am aiming at second place"?

If you want to see how tunes change after primaries, you have to look no further than what Bush and McCain said about each other.

ITA. If only there was a way to get that Bush/McCain ticket.

Richard
 
Originally posted by Arabella Figg 2003
exactly, peachgirl.

I've met some very scuzzy plaintiff's lawyers over the years. attorneys who know they don't have a legit case and who are trying to extort money from "deep pockets". Edwards isn't like them.

I will assume then that you have personal experience working with Edwards? Or is just your belief that Edwards isn't like 'them'.
 
Originally posted by spearenb
I will assume then that you have personal experience working with Edwards? Or is just your belief that Edwards isn't like 'them'.

Now see...that is the problem.....Edwards gets accused of being like others...there is absolutely NO proof anywhere ( despite an extremely extensive search by the RNC) and you say: prove Edwards is not like them.......should not the alternative be true.....prove...or at least cite examples of how Edwards is like them? Does that not make more sense? Should not the accusers have something more substantial then " prove you never did something"?
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
Now see...that is the problem.....Edwards gets accused of being like others...there is absolutely NO proof anywhere ( despite an extremely extensive search by the RNC) and you say: prove Edwards is not like them.......should not the alternative be true.....prove...or at least cite examples of how Edwards is like them? Does that not make more sense? Should not the accusers have something more substantial then " prove you never did something"?
Hey, it worked for the reasoning in invading Iraq, so why shouldn't it work when attacking a candidate ? :teeth:
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
Now see...that is the problem.....Edwards gets accused of being like others...there is absolutely NO proof anywhere ( despite an extremely extensive search by the RNC) and you say: prove Edwards is not like them.......should not the alternative be true.....prove...or at least cite examples of how Edwards is like them? Does that not make more sense? Should not the accusers have something more substantial then " prove you never did something"?

I don't think I said anything bad about Edwards, but, I will go and check all of my posts to make sure of that. I did question the DNP earlier about using a more qualified minority or women to run as VEEP. As to Edwards, I think he was chosen to gather the soccer-mom vote.

I was asking Arabella if she had proof of that statement or not. Just like she did to, I believe, to richie.

As to your quote, there are some who do make that leap that since someone is associated with a group or the like than they must be like the worst of the worst that has ever been associated to that group (i.e. priests, trial lawyers, boy scouts, and politicians). And we all know that someone should be held accountable to their own actual doings and not to pre-judge them because they do/did associate with the group.

As an example (my apologies, Arabella) to pre-judge Arabella because 1) she is a trial lawyer and 2) works for insurance companies would be wrong. Oh Lordy!!!! :) No doubt about it, it would be wrong.

But who makes most of the pre-judgements anyways? I would cast my vote for Liberals mostly. Surprise there isn't it?
 
I was asking Arabella if she had proof of that statement or not

You are absolutely right.....I took your statement to be a challenge....sadly it is very easy to misinterpret intentions when all you have is the written word, with no inflections. I apologize. I am sure you will understand that the following comment, made by you, might possibly give someone the notion that your intentions were to challenge?

If the Democrats actually steal this election, we will all be lighter in the wallets, pansies to the world, and jobless.

So yes....if you cast your vote for a liberal after saying the above, I think most people would be highly surprised.
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
You are absolutely right.....I took your statement to be a challenge....sadly it is very easy to misinterpret intentions when all you have is the written word, with no inflections. I apologize. I am sure you will understand that the following comment, made by you, might possibly give someone the notion that your intentions were to challenge?

So yes....if you cast your vote for a liberal after saying the above, I think most people would be highly surprised.



Apology accepted.

If I do vote for a liberal in the future (again, I did vote for Clinton coming out of college), I will have been dead before the election probably. Wouldn't that be a surprise? ;)
 
Originally posted by ThreeCircles
Republicans define any lawsuit as "frivolous" if it in any way, shape, or form denies the full and unchecked power of any large corporation or business venture. Money, and thus power, should never be vested in the hands of those that could bring undue harm to these large, moneymaking entities.

Further, any judge or jury that sides with an individual over a corporation or other business entity should be removed from the bench due to their obvious "activist" mentality or, in the case of jury members, disavowed because of their liberal agenda.

Can you post the link to that definition?

Look, if your all for paying more for healthcare or anything else companies produce, by all means continue to support no tort reform.
 
Originally posted by Arabella Figg 2003
dmadman, when I was in law school and taking trial advocacy classes, we were given a famous example of "don't ask a question unless you already know the answer."

here's the example (I'm paraphrasing):

The lawyer is questioning a witness who claims to have seen the murder take place in the dark woods. the lawyer represents the defendant, Mr. X.

lawyer: so you saw Mr. X hit Mr. W in the woods?

witness: yes, Mr. X hit Mr. W with an axe.

lawyer: and what time of day was this?

witness: 11:00 at night.

lawyer: and how did you see it?

witness: there was a full moon. the moonlight was shining on the blade.




(at this point all the students in the room think the lawyer's in really big trouble, but...)


the lawyer pulls out his copy of The Farmer's Almanac. after asking the judge to accept the Almanac as truthful (the judge does so) he opnes the book to the page describing the phases of the moon.

lawyer: it says here, that on the date in question, the moon set at 9:00 pm. how could you have seen the murder take place in the light of the full moon when the moon set two hours earlier?






Mr. X got acquitted.




the lawyer in question was Abraham Lincoln.


Honest Abe was (gasp!) a DEFENSE ATTORNEY!

Counselor, did you miss the part where I said "most were not". "Most is not all inclusive". Of course, with your learned background I'm sure you knew that. Your witness, Counselor.
 
Originally posted by spearenb
Apology accepted.

If I do vote for a liberal in the future (again, I did vote for Clinton coming out of college), I will have been dead before the election probably. Wouldn't that be a surprise? ;)
Depends on where you live in West Virginia.....In some of the southern counties, the Graveyard Vote has always been a fairly important part of the electorate :teeth:
 
Originally posted by peachgirl
Oh, but they could have. The problem is that the right wingers would so villify them that they could never get elected.




Actually, they can't. They researched hard and long in his Senate race trying to do just that and failed. Edwards had a team of medical professionals that did nothing but reasearch his cases to insure that they had merit before he took them.

So, the best they can come up with now is to say he only took cases that he knew he could win. :rolleyes:

No, he mainly took cases he new he could make boatloads of money from. Not that I begrudge him that. I love money as much as the next guy, but.. it really doesn't fit with the principles the Democratic party preaches.
 
Originally posted by dmadman43
Of course, with your learned background I'm sure you knew that.

And you accuse others of taking shots at people. :rolleyes:

As far as the definition, I think it's found somewhere on the RNC web site but I don't venture over there. You know, too evil! :teeth:
 
Originally posted by ThreeCircles
And you accuse others of taking shots at people. :rolleyes:

As far as the definition, I think it's found somewhere on the RNC web site but I don't venture over there. You know, too evil! :teeth:

You're carrying out your straigthman job very well.

Like they say, "like shooting fish in a barrell"

Keep it up, ThreeCircles. You're always good for a laugh.
 
Originally posted by dmadman43
No, he mainly took cases he new he could make boatloads of money from. Not that I begrudge him that. I love money as much as the next guy, but.. it really doesn't fit with the principles the Democratic party preaches.

Where exactly did you get this "fact", if I may ask. If true, why is the only place it is being said, here on a message board. If this guy is a money grabbing lawyer, why is the RNC not saying this.....why instead are they saying.....I swear, I just heard this on CNN....why are they saying that Edwards does not have the gravitas of a Cheney? Good grief...even Cheney's family could not accuse him of having gravitas...not to mention one would have to have a heap of it to sail past Edwards in this department.
 
This likely does not constitute "proof" of anything. But it certainly is not in Edward's favor in my opinion that a significant chuck of this life was devoted not only to the questionable area of plaintiff's representative in medical malpractice, but he appears to have "specialized" in obstetrics cases. Of all types of medical malpractice, it is the easiest area to exploit and win otherwise baseless cases. It is one of a couple of areas of the malpractice game that invites to most frivolous and baseless cases. The cost and resources just to constantly defend against the cases that aren't won by the plaintiff are enormous. It is part of what is adding the the medical malpractice crises in many states that is leading OB's to simply stop practicing in some places. Here is a piece about it:

Fortune's Son: The New York Times has a lengthy examination of John Edwards' trial work that reveals a good deal about the man's motivation, and that of most personal injury lawyers:

An examination of Mr. Edwards's legal career also opens a window onto the world of personal injury litigation. In building his career, Mr. Edwards underbid other lawyers to win promising clients, sifted through several dozen expert witnesses to find one who would attest to his claims, and opposed state legislation that would have helped all families with brain-damaged children and not just those few who win big malpractice awards. (emphasis mine)

Edwards rarely accepted cases in which a baby died during delivery (which, according to the article only bring in around $500,000 a case), preferring instead to concentrate on the multi-million-dollar-yiedling cerebral palsy cases.

We can say good-bye to what the Times refers to as "what they call tort reform" if Edwards is elected, that's for sure:

Mr. Edwards's former colleagues in the plaintiffs' bar certainly support his candidacy. His campaign is disproportionately financed by lawyers and people associated with them, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, which calculates that about half of the $15 million he has raised comes from lawyers. People associated with Baron & Budd, a Dallas law firm noted for its work on behalf of plaintiffs in asbestos cases, contributed $77,250, the largest amount, the center found.

Mr. Edwards has declined to discuss his fees as a lawyer or the size of his personal fortune. Senate disclosure forms suggest that he is worth anywhere from $12 million to $60 million.

That one of the country's biggest asbestos litigation firms - an area of litigation that abuses the legal system for profit even more than birth injury litigation - is his top donor should give anyone with an interest in truth and justice pause.

Despite widespread use of fetal heart rate monitors and increasing reliance on Cesarean sections to avoid complications, the rates of cerebral palsy have remained the same. It's a condition whose origin lies in multiple factors, many of which happen in utero long before delivery. Which is why those who are truly motivated by altruism rather than profit want to set up a fund for all children with brain injuries:

Some say that the biggest losers in litigation over brain-damaged babies are the parents of children whose cases are rejected by lawyers.

"For the one or two who got a substantial jury verdict," said George W. Miller Jr., a former state representative in North Carolina who practices law in Durham, "there were 99 that did not get anything, either because they were not able to finance litigation or their claim was questionable."

"The real issue," Mr. Miller added, "is who knows what causes these kinds of medical problems?"

He said he planned to bring up the issue of compensation with a state commission that is studying medical malpractice. One approach would be to limit awards and create a fund to be shared by all families with similarly afflicted children.

This is not the first time Mr. Miller has championed the idea. In 1991, his legislation to create such a fund was defeated, in large part by the state's trial lawyers. Among those who spoke out against the bill was Mr. Edwards, who called it a baby tax.

Odd that a Democratic politician would be opposed to a tax, especially one designed to help the weak and downtrodden.
 


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