Jodi Arias Trial Part 8 EXTREME CRUELTY: PROVEN

Penalty phase...what will the jury decide? (1 day poll!)

  • Death

  • Life (judge will sentence within 60 days, LWOP or Parole in 25 years)

  • No unanimous decision...new penalty phase jury will be empaneled.


Results are only viewable after voting.

They are sharing testimony from other trials from lovers who have done the killing.

The commercials made it seem so much more entertaining. I think after watching JM in action, all other attorneys are really bad. Didn't help that I started watching halfway through!

Miss talking to you all, hope you had a good weekend and are catching up on life now that we have a break.
 
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Everyone is leaving me tomorrow! I am almost physically sick. How can I do this on my own?!? I know everyone has to get back to real life but still, I've been weeping all day. It's going to be a hard transition. It's going to be ME and only ME. DH is working long hours

Feeling a bit gun shy.... :scared:
 
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Everyone is leaving me tomorrow! I am almost physically sick. How can I do this on my own?!? I know everyone has to get back to real life but still, I've been weeping all day. It's going to be a hard transition. It's going to be ME and only ME. DH is working long hours

Feeling a bit gun shy.... :scared:

Deep breath! You can do this. You are an awesome mother.
 
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Everyone is leaving me tomorrow! I am almost physically sick. How can I do this on my own?!? I know everyone has to get back to real life but still, I've been weeping all day. It's going to be a hard transition. It's going to be ME and only ME. DH is working long hours

Feeling a bit gun shy.... :scared:

:hug: Piglet , it is hard when everyone is gone. You learn to sleep when she sleeps. That way you get rest also. Take it one day at a time. How is she sleeping? How are you doing? Weeping is a normal feeling. New mommy and unsure of things. We have all been through it. This is your time to get to know her and play with her. If you feel like it, you can go out for a short walk and both of you get fresh air. But let her get used to the normal noise in the house.Talk her ear off. Don't let her know you feel stressed, she will pick up on that. Before you know it 6 months will go by. We are here for you!:hug:
 
I took a break from the Arias trial and am slowly catching up. I'm about 15-20 pages behind - lol!

The jury did their job. They found her guilty of 1st degree premeditated murder that was especially cruel, so the death penalty could be applied. The jury didn't agree during the penalty phase, there was a split and there was no way they would get to a unanimous vote. It is what it is.

I don't understand the anger towards people who spent 5 months of their lives sitting in the jury box listening to testimony, answering questions and applying the law when deliberating. The four jurors who voted for life are not stupid, and their lives shouldn't be threatened in any way, shape or form. They found mitigating circumstances, doesn't mean they were wrong and the others were right. I don't like the pitch fork mentality that is happening on the internet towards them, or that some have received threats. They DID their civic duty.

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... I mentioned this to Jen last night that this jury was as I think Mare said "older leaning" and I tend to think older people believe younger people can be rehabilitated as we older people may look back on our lives with some regrets in some areas and maybe that played a factor in this verdict for some jurors. I wax and wane (like the moon, lol) on that kinda thing, think prison should be a punishment versus rehabilitation, hope that my teenager realizes when he gets older that I never believed any of his excuses for bad behavior and most times now realize with some crap in life "ain't nobody got time for that."

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Not sure what to think of that Youtube usnuz posted from the AZ Deputy Warden wanting Jodi to know prisoners die while in the custody of DOC due to the negligence of their corrections officers. And did he really say life in prison is cruel and unusual punishment? :scared:

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Pebbles, keep trying on that O'Hana ADR, my wife has booked us reservations as late as a few weeks out from our arrival.

I find that as I get older, I tend to see more gray areas than I did when I was younger. I want to understand the reason or the circumstances behind a person's actions, and possibly have empathy or sympathy. I believe you can have sympathy for a person and still hold them responsible for the actions.

As far as prison, I think for the most part prison is about punishment, but there are certain crimes where I believe it should be about punishment and rehabilitation. Not all crimes are the same, not all felonies are the same. There are people who deserve a second chance in life and the tools for the second chance. Certain crimes don't ever deserve a second chance, such as premeditated murder, violent crimes against children, rape. etc.

Regarding the sheriff's video on life in maximum security, yeah it's not a picnic, it is pretty much isolation and very harsh conditions. My oldest brother was in the military for 20 years and then he became a sheriff in WA. He worked the max security wing. You gotta be tough to be there, and the life is rough for prisoners.

I was very disturbed by the woman, I think her name was Marcia Powell, who died while in custody. She was serving a sentence for prostitution and she should never have died in prison. They (the guards) didn't perform their jobs, and the fact that not one guard was held legally responsible irks me. She shouldn't have been left in the heat and sun in Arizona for four hours. She pleaded for water and to be moved. Her skin was burned from being so hot. She died because they were negligent. It's disgusting.

As far as Arias goes, I wonder if the Alexander family would be okay with LWOP. If the prosecutor could get the judge to approve it and have the DP taken off the table. Reading about the next trial, it could take weeks, if not months just to sit a jury, and then another 6 weeks minimum for the trial phase.
 
As much as they would like for arias receive the dp, I would think more they would want this nightmare to end. lwop I think is sufficient.
 
I took a break from the Arias trial and am slowly catching up. I'm about 15-20 pages behind - lol!

The jury did their job. They found her guilty of 1st degree premeditated murder that was especially cruel, so the death penalty could be applied. The jury didn't agree during the penalty phase, there was a split and there was no way they would get to a unanimous vote. It is what it is.

I don't understand the anger towards people who spent 5 months of their lives sitting in the jury box listening to testimony, answering questions and applying the law when deliberating. The four jurors who voted for life are not stupid, and their lives shouldn't be threatened in any way, shape or form. They found mitigating circumstances, doesn't mean they were wrong and the others were right. I don't like the pitch fork mentality that is happening on the internet towards them, or that some have received threats. They DID their civic duty.



I find that as I get older, I tend to see more gray areas than I did when I was younger. I want to understand the reason or the circumstances behind a person's actions, and possibly have empathy or sympathy. I believe you can have sympathy for a person and still hold them responsible for the actions.

As far as prison, I think for the most part prison is about punishment, but there are certain crimes where I believe it should be about punishment and rehabilitation. Not all crimes are the same, not all felonies are the same. There are people who deserve a second chance in life and the tools for the second chance. Certain crimes don't ever deserve a second chance, such as premeditated murder, violent crimes against children, rape. etc.

Regarding the sheriff's video on life in maximum security, yeah it's not a picnic, it is pretty much isolation and very harsh conditions. My oldest brother was in the military for 20 years and then he became a sheriff in WA. He worked the max security wing. You gotta be tough to be there, and the life is rough for prisoners.

I was very disturbed by the woman, I think her name was Marcia Powell, who died while in custody. She was serving a sentence for prostitution and she should never have died in prison. They (the guards) didn't perform their jobs, and the fact that not one guard was held legally responsible irks me. She shouldn't have been left in the heat and sun in Arizona for four hours. She pleaded for water and to be moved. Her skin was burned from being so hot. She died because they were negligent. It's disgusting.

As far as Arias goes, I wonder if the Alexander family would be okay with LWOP. If the prosecutor could get the judge to approve it and have the DP taken off the table. Reading about the next trial, it could take weeks, if not months just to sit a jury, and then another 6 weeks minimum for the trial phase.

Prison life is brutal and no fun. It can age a person fairly quickly. I believe people can change and be rehabilitated. But they still reap what they have sown. The guards that allowed that woman to die should lose their job, there was no excuse for it. She is a human being regardless.

I think they will move forward with a new jury. They do want to get this over with and move on with their lives.
 
I'm also glad that the others are speaking out. When the foreman first spoke out, I think his statements could possibly be seen as encouragement by the DT - meaning they would be more likely to try to hold out for LWP/25 years. However, after hearing what the latest group has said, JA may be more likely to bargain for LWOP because they didn't seem to be even slightly swayed by JA and her lies.

I'm sorry to hear (from reading another post) that the media is questioning people who know the foreman. While I don't agree with his verdict, that is totally unacceptable. He gave up a tremendous amount of time to serve on the jury and did convict her of 1st degree murder. He shouldn't have to go through this now.

If this kind of behavior continues, it's going to become nearly impossible to find anybody willing to serve on a jury due to being concerned about the ramifications of their vote. A civilized society should be able to agree to disagree. I know that Uncle Remus and I have disagreed about aspects of this case, but I think we've been respectful towards each other over it.


I will admit that I had serious issues with the CA jury because I think what they did was a sham, but even so, people shouldn't be able to harass a jury member for any reason.

I so agree with the bolded. Jurors should not be under such scrutiny. How do you get a fair trial if the jurors will be hunted down after the verdict IF their verdict isn't what the majority wanted or expected. It's ridiculous.

Their lives should not be picked apart for doing their civic duty.
 
It gives one hope there are more rational people out there than not.



Thanks for the link.

Glad she said this:



Starting tomorrow I'm going to be more dependent on links here than other sources because it's been raining like heck and that damn grass is really growing out there on my ten acres.
Aaaaand, it's time to start planning whose shorts and T-shirts are going in what suitcases for Disney!! :mickeyjum

:woohoo::woohoo: Love the planning and then packing stage!!!:goodvibes:goodvibes

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Everyone is leaving me tomorrow! I am almost physically sick. How can I do this on my own?!? I know everyone has to get back to real life but still, I've been weeping all day. It's going to be a hard transition. It's going to be ME and only ME. DH is working long hours

Feeling a bit gun shy.... :scared:

:grouphug::grouphug:

You are going to be fine and do a wonderful job as a mom! Remember, your hormones are all over the place after giving birth, so cut yourself a break. Remember, so many people are just a phone call away if you need help!
 
Piglet Girl

Just take it one day at a time. Sleep when Charlotte sleeps. Don't worry about the house, you will get caught up eventually. Try and go outside a little each day (even if it's just outside to sit in a chair). Use your crockpot for meals. We are here for you!
 
I am not going to quote anyone because I am not directing this at any poster...

I think that the only thing that should be considered is what the Alexanders (and Prosecuting Attry. Office) want in moving forward to another penalty phase or not. Public opinion should play no role what so ever.

I personally do not believe JA would ever accept LWOP as a plea bargain. I could be wrong now that she knows more than half or the jurors voted DP.

If the note from Tanisha's husband is real, it looks like they are preparing for a re-trial of the penalty phase.

I hope the very least JA receives is LWOP. If I were ever on a jury, especially of this magnitude, I would not give any interviews. I would hope their family members told them how crazed it was before any of them gave interviews, because that would have been the first thing I told my family member after they were excused from the jury.



Pigletgirl - I will tell you what my sister told me....every day will be a little better than the day before and soon you'll wonder what you ever did with out her!
 












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