Jimmy Carter

[DawnCt1]

Maybe they can give it to Castro next?

No doubt followed by Hugo Chavez. Good old Hugo is getting hugs from Cindy Sheehan as we speak.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

No doubt followed by Hugo Chavez. Good old Hugo is getting hugs from Cindy Sheehan as we speak.

Is she sharing face time with DAY-OH Belafante?

Maybe Barbara Walters could present the award to Castro and Cindy could present it to Chavez.

 

[dcentity2000]

President Bush has far more consideration for the world than you ever give him credit. I've had the Iraq debate so many times with you, and I still disagree entirely with you opinions. The Iraqi's have thanked us. Our country and its allies are fighting for the oppressed and against terrorism. Praise God.

Um... they also set fire to a British tank recetly whilst chanting "Murderers OUT" One opinion does not encompass them all, Joe. I'm sure that some MUST be thankful (Saddam was not a nice man) but I'm just as equally sure that there are many who positively loathe the war. The Lib Dem party in Britain, historically the third party, received a swell of support from Muslims opposed to the war, for instance. There are many on record telling us that they are off to join Al Queda.

By attacking a part of the world for the wrong reasons, we have boosted terrorism.

As for his respect for the world, as I said, I'm sure HE thinks that he's doing wonders. It's just factual that he ignored the world opinion when he went into Iraq. That does not equal respect; rather, it belies an arrogance that is truly worrying of a man who has so many stockpiled weapons of mass destruction.

What's he gonna do next? Invade Wales to free the Welsh from the tyrannical British rule? Invade Ireland to quell the Irish Republican Army? Invade the Congo to stop the kidnapping? Invade Brazil to stop the gun violence? Invade Russia to stop the rebels?

Your army is killing people, period. They in turn are killing your people. How do you reconcile this with the Holy Commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill"? You know, that instruction that God gave to us with no subtext? I'm sure that the old testament has periods describing eye-for-an-eye and slavery as common practice, but how do you reconcile THOSE with the Commandment? Let alone that, the message of Jesus - to pray for our enemies and to turn the other cheek like men?



Rich::

 

[dcentity2000]

Not after it's been given to a murdering terrorist named Arafat. And they gave it to Carter partially as a slam against President Bush.

It's damaged goods now.

Too right, they should give it to Bush - he's only started two wars, after all

I'm off for fourteen hours - exam in elementary psychology tomorrow! I'll leave you to the jaws of my liberal colleagues on the board

Goodnight all!



Rich::

 

[AMcaptured]

I can't believe no one has mentioned the Muriel boat lift of 1978. It was possibly the biggest disaster of Jimmy Carter's presidency IMO (Tehran was pretty bad and half the reason we are dealing with Iraq today but Muriel is up there on the list of failures and the Carter administration) . He actually allowed tens of thousands of cuban criminals into this country. Bill Clinton unfortunately got many of these thugs and it is believed to contribute to Bill Clinton losing his re election bid as Gov of Arkansas. Clinton has NEVER like Jimmy Carter because of it and has a very cold relationship with him.

Jimmy Carter building houses and helping people is great but his embrace of truly diabolical dictators around the world is unexcusable IMO and without the liberal media rehabilatating him, people would have a much better memory of his presidency. Being a good man doesn't make someone a good president, Jimmy Carter is example number 1.

 

[N.Bailey]

Your army is killing people, period. They in turn are killing your people. How do you reconcile this with the Holy Commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill"? You know, that instruction that God gave to us with no subtext? I'm sure that the old testament has periods describing eye-for-an-eye and slavery as common practice, but how do you reconcile THOSE with the Commandment? Let alone that, the message of Jesus - to pray for our enemies and to turn the other cheek like men?



Rich::

Personally, I think it's been quite obvious why so many were opposed to us invading Iraq (as they choose to call it). It's been hashed and rehashed to death, but it doesn't change the facts.

As for this quote, if you really knew anything about the Bible, you'd know that the original Hebrew test said, "Murder" not kill. There is a HUGE difference and it's how I can reconcile it.

I hope little by little that someone stands up against these brutal dictators and eventually, everyone will be free. It's not going to happen in my lifetime, but I pray that the day does arrive. Appeasement is never going to make that dream a reality.

 

[DawnCt1]

I can't believe no one has mentioned the Muriel boat lift of 1978. It was possibly the biggest disaster of Jimmy Carter's presidency IMO (Tehran was pretty bad and half the reason we are dealing with Iraq today but Muriel is up there on the list of failures and the Carter administration) . He actually allowed tens of thousands of cuban criminals into this country. Bill Clinton unfortunately got many of these thugs and it is believed to contribute to Bill Clinton losing his re election bid as Gov of Arkansas. Clinton has NEVER like Jimmy Carter because of it and has a very cold relationship with him.

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By the time Clinton took office, Carter was becoming "vocal". Clinton hired a few Carter retreads in an attempt to appease him and he gave him little "diplomatic jobs" to include him. However, after a couple of years, Clinton got tired of his meddling. Good points about the boat lift. We paid for that for years.

 

[lyeag]

I am not a very big fan of Carter for many reasons, but I haven't seen any mention of one of my personal favorites -releasing control of the Panama Canal. Before anyone goes into history, save the typing, I already know it. I still believe it was a stupid thing to do. We never should have given it up.

 

[Tanuki]

What in the past 30 years since America followed the agreement we made with Panama has made you regret it?

 

[DawnCt1]

I am not a very big fan of Carter for many reasons, but I haven't seen any mention of one of my personal favorites -releasing control of the Panama Canal. Before anyone goes into history, save the typing, I already know it. I still believe it was a stupid thing to do. We never should have given it up.

Yup, we agree. I mentioned it in one of my earliest posts. It was a stupid thing to do and I think we will eventually pay a much larger price. The Chinese government own structures at either end of the canal. Easy enough to blow up and impede shipping....if and when they decide it might be a "good idea".

 

[Tanuki]

If China wanted to impede shipping they could just stop loading boatloads of stuff at their own ports to ship all around the world. It is totally laughable to imagine them blowing up the Panama Canal.

 

[Puffy2]

As for this quote, if you really knew anything about the Bible, you'd know that the original Hebrew test said, "Murder" not kill. There is a HUGE difference and it's how I can reconcile it.

If it wasn't so sad, it would be laughable - the way that some "Christians" try to rationalize their evil and greed.

 

[DawnCt1]

If China wanted to impede shipping they could just stop loading boatloads of stuff at their own ports to ship all around the world. It is totally laughable to imagine them blowing up the Panama Canal.

Actually it isn't. The wouldn't have to blow up the Panama Canal. They would ony have to obstruct one or the other end. Trade isn't the "consideration' that I was weighing, but the need to move our Navy around the world. I suggest that you read the China Threat by Bill Gertz. It is eye opening. Fortunately we have our Navy ships deployed to somewhat minimize the impact but it is still very much a concern.

 

[lyeag]

Yup, we agree. I mentioned it in one of my earliest posts. It was a stupid thing to do and I think we will eventually pay a much larger price. The Chinese government own structures at either end of the canal. Easy enough to blow up and impede shipping....if and when they decide it might be a "good idea".

Sorry, I must have missed it. I skimmed through a few of the pages. It doesn't have to be the Chinese, it could be anyone wanting to upset the entire global economy. I think it was very short sighted of Carter to give up possession.

 

[DawnCt1]

Sorry, I must have missed it. I skimmed through a few of the pages. It doesn't have to be the Chinese, it could be anyone wanting to upset the entire global economy. I think it was very short sighted of Carter to give up possession.

No need for an apology. I was just pointing out that you and I are on the same page. The reason I mention the Chinese is not from an economic standpoint but from a military one. China has expanded her navy from a "brown water navy" to a "blue water navy". They will eventually attempt to take back Taiwan and I think they will use whatever means available to thwart us from responding.

 

[yeartolate]

No doubt about it, Jimmy Carter sucked as a President, but he has my utmost admiration as to how he has handled his post white house life.

I really admire how he expresses his faith in God. I have never seen him use his faith as a political weapon. He clearly respects others religious choices.

Jimmy Carter is probably one of the most moral and honest politicians America has seen. He is one person in my lifetime that I truly believe was in the Presidency for our benefit rather than his own personal gain. This of course made him uniquely unqualified to work in Washington.

 

[Planogirl]

If it wasn't so sad, it would be laughable - the way that some "Christians" try to rationalize their evil and greed.

I agree. Following this "logic", I'm wondering who is supposed to decide which is murder and which is killing. The "nice" members of the Right who inhabit this board? Bush?

I also hate to see the slams against the Nobel Peace Price. I kind of suspect that that group has a better handle on who deserves it than a handful of people who post on a Disney Board.

 

[N.Bailey]

If it wasn't so sad, it would be laughable - the way that some "Christians" try to rationalize their evil and greed.

I agree. Following this "logic", I'm wondering who is supposed to decide which is murder and which is killing. The "nice" members of the Right who inhabit this board? Bush?

I also hate to see the slams against the Nobel Peace Price. I kind of suspect that that group has a better handle on who deserves it than a handful of people who post on a Disney Board.

I can see neither of you know much about the Bible. For you to even try to rationalize that you understand it with comments such as these, shows how ignorant and evil you are (that comment was aimed at Puffy not you Planogirl, as he/she has no problems with personal attacks). Maybe before you quote me and tell me how wrong I am, perhaps you should study up before doing so next time. That way you can at least prove what I said is false rather than just hurl insults.

As for discerning who murders and who kills. Well, God will have the ultimate say in the end, but I think according to man's law we can all decipher the difference between kill and murder.

And btw, the GREED came from the UN. You must have missed that memo. There is nothing greedy about wanting everyone on Earth to enjoy the same freedoms as you do. That is what you're trying to suppress! Do I like the killing? Hell no! You tell me what people got their freedom WITHOUT the killing though? Then go back in history and rationalize all those who died so that you can be free today. I guess that wasn't worth it, huh? What, did you think it was just handed to you without blood having been shed? No biggie now though, you got yours!

 

[shortbun]

Actually, this thread has absolutely nothing to do with me. It was you who chose to make it about me.

Just over 110 post on this thread-30 of them are by you. Only one of them was in response to me. It wasn't me babe makin' those 30 posts; this thread has EVERYTHING to do with you. You are all over it.

 

[Puffy2]

I can see neither of you know much about the Bible. For you to even try to rationalize that you understand it with comments such as these, shows how ignorant and evil you are (that comment was aimed at Puffy not you Planogirl, as he/she has no problems with personal attacks). Maybe before you quote me and tell me how wrong I am, perhaps you should study up before doing so next time. That way you can at least prove what I said is false rather than just hurl insults.

As for discerning who murders and who kills. Well, God will have the ultimate say in the end, but I think according to man's law we can all decipher the difference between kill and murder.

And btw, the GREED came from the UN. You must have missed that memo. There is nothing greedy about wanting everyone on Earth to enjoy the same freedoms as you do. That is what you're trying to suppress! Do I like the killing? Hell no! You tell me what people got their freedom WITHOUT the killing though? Then go back in history and rationalize all those who died so that you can be free today. I guess that wasn't worth it, huh? What, did you think it was just handed to you without blood having been shed? No biggie now though, you got yours!
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I know the "arguements" of the Pharisees well. They have been used in history to justify many things including slavery of our fellow man and bigotry towards those who look different from us.

I didn't see Jesus lifting a sword for His freedom. In fact, according to His teachings, by NOT doing so - he "freed" all of us. Since He is the Christian's teacher, you would think that Christian's would be more interested in following His example than saving their own skins. But, it's clear that fear of the world guides many of them more than fear of the Lord.