Jimmy Carter

[Planogirl]

Dawn, you also don't have an objective view! That's quite obvious.

Personally, I would take one Jimmy Carter over a dozen warmongers or over 100 people who do nothing but gripe but that's just my unobjective view.

 

[DawnCt1]

Dawn, you also don't have an objective view! That's quite obvious.

Personally, I would take one Jimmy Carter over a dozen warmongers or over 100 people who do nothing but gripe but that's just my unobjective view.

Its a good thing that the American voters disagreed with you and voted him out. The world map would look very different these days. I don't think that there are many people who can look at the Carter Administration objectively and say that it was a success.

 

[ilovepcot]

He's not the only one.

Nearly dumped my little dog (sleeping in my lap) onto the floor!

 

[Planogirl]

Its a good thing that the American voters disagreed with you and voted him out. The world map would look very different these days. I don't think that there are many people who can look at the Carter Administration objectively and say that it was a success.

I don't disagree (as I said earlier) with those who say that he was an ineffective President. I just don't agree with some of the more hateful things that have been said about his activities since his term in office. Those are two different subjects.

But I'll just have to disagree and be done with it.

 

[Feralpeg]

I personally think Jimmy Carter is a great man. His humanitarian efforts alone put him in a category above most.

 

[goofygirl]

Its a good thing that the American voters disagreed with you and voted him out. The world map would look very different these days. I don't think that there are many people who can look at the Carter Administration objectively and say that it was a success.

Why do you say that? The world map would have changed regardless. I think Communism was on its way to falling anyway regardless of who was POTUS. I know the Repubs like to credit Reagan with that which is ridiculous. They actually believe that the Berlin Wall came down because Reagan said it should be torn down. Gimme a break!
Reagan also cut from the poor and was called a "Robin Hood in reverse", giving tax breaks to the rich, and putting more money into arms and Star Wars, while school lunch programs got cut. IMHO, Reagan is the most overrated POTUS in history, and Carter is underrated.

 

[gina2000]

Jimmy Carter has been largely seen as an ineffectual President unable to handle the Iranian hostage situation or the rampant inflation the US experienced during the oil crisis of the late seventies. In fact, he appointed Paul Volker, Chairman of the Federal Reserve, who is considered one of the finest Fed Chairmans ever to hold the position. Volker is largely credited with bringing rampant inflation under control in the early 80s and to this day is called the Fed Inflation Fighter. Carter also was the first president to finance the covert Afghani operation in which the US funded Afghani rebels against the Soviet Union when they invaded in 1979. That war is largely credited with the downfall of the Soviet Union. The aftermath, unfortunately, resulted in a rising of the Taliban in the mid 90s.

No one president is completely successful nor a complete failure. While Carter will not be remembered as an outstanding negotiator or an effective president, he does have some important, albeit overlooked, accomplishments associated with his term.

 

[Puffy2]

At least the hostages actually came home alive (even if it was done as an insult by delaying their release until Reagan took his oath). We have hostages taken and murdered on a regular basis with this Iraq thing, and NOT ONCE has the media voiced any outrage at Bush's inability to gain their freedom.

Jimmy is also a nuclear physicist .

What many conservatives really want these days is a strong, deeply religious, very patriotic dictator. They nearly have it with Bush.

 

[DawnCt1]

Why do you say that? The world map would have changed regardless. I think Communism was on its way to falling anyway regardless of who was POTUS. I know the Repubs like to credit Reagan with that which is ridiculous. They actually believe that the Berlin Wall came down because Reagan said it should be torn down. Gimme a break!
Reagan also cut from the poor and was called a "Robin Hood in reverse", giving tax breaks to the rich, and putting more money into arms and Star Wars, while school lunch programs got cut. IMHO, Reagan is the most overrated POTUS in history, and Carter is underrated.

And you my dear, are seriously mistaken.

 

[Puffy2]

Hi Gina! Nice to "see" you.

 

[DawnCt1]

At least the hostages actually came home alive (even if it was done as an insult by delaying their release until Reagan took his oath). We have hostages taken and murdered on a regular basis with this Iraq thing, and NOT ONCE has the media voiced any outrage at Bush's inability to gain their freedom.

Jimmy is also a nuclear physicist .

What many conservatives really want these days is a strong, deeply religious, very patriotic dictator. They nearly have it with Bush.

Clearly, you can't compare the murderous terrorists representing no country, to the murderous government ready to take over Iran after Carter oversaw the Shah's downfall. Jimmy Carter was not a "nuclear physicist". Albert Einstein was a nuclear physicist. Jimmy Carter was a nuclear engineer. He should have stuck to engineering.

 

[DawnCt1]

Carter also was the first president to finance the covert Afghani operation in which the US funded Afghani rebels against the Soviet Union when they invaded in 1979. That war is largely credited with the downfall of the Soviet Union. The aftermath, unfortunately, resulted in a rising of the Taliban in the mid 90s.

No one president is completely successful nor a complete failure. While Carter will not be remembered as an outstanding negotiator or an effective president, he does have some important, albeit overlooked, accomplishments associated with his term.

So the war in Afghanistan is responsible for the downfall of the USSR? That indeed is revisionism. While no one president is complete a success or failure.....usually. Jimmy Carter is an exception to that rule.

 

[Art Vandalay]

Why do you say that? The world map would have changed regardless. I think Communism was on its way to falling anyway regardless of who was POTUS. I know the Repubs like to credit Reagan with that which is ridiculous. They actually believe that the Berlin Wall came down because Reagan said it should be torn down. Gimme a break!
Reagan also cut from the poor and was called a "Robin Hood in reverse", giving tax breaks to the rich, and putting more money into arms and Star Wars, while school lunch programs got cut. IMHO, Reagan is the most overrated POTUS in history, and Carter is underrated.

Mikhail Gorbachev has indicated that Reagan did contribute a great deal to the crumbling of the Soviet Union -- thus his radical measures to try to save it. I'd go with him on this one.

Carter is, IMO, a very good and decent man. But having lived through the Carter Administration, I find it extraordinarily difficult to underrate his presidency.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

What many conservatives really want these days is a strong, deeply religious, very patriotic dictator. They nearly have it with Bush.

Bush is strong, religious, and patriotic.

Nearly a dictator?? Pray tell, what is this based on?

 

[N.Bailey]

I'm puzzled.... The Conservatives always say that things were good during Clinton's years due to former Presidents. So why weren't things bad during Carter's term due to former Presidents? I don't see how you can have it both ways. Maybe you can explain that to me Dawn. Or you Joe. Or anyone stirring the pot on this thread for that matter.

As for President Carter, I admire him greatly and don't see anything wrong with him trying to work out issues peacefully. I realize that many of you think that attacking and killing is the answer to everything but many of us don't.

Also Dawn, you mentioned a worst President award. Who hands that out and where can I read about it? Let's not get into biased sources from either side if we can avoid it.

Just to answer your question, one president always effects the ones that follow directly after.

With Reagan however, the rich were being taxed to death. It wasn't ONLY Carter that had their taxes raised to that level, but he did nothing about it either. I guess it would depend on which source you wish to believe, but I've read the rich were paying upward to $0.90 cents on the dollar to tax. There was simply no way jobs could be created with figures like that. Sorry, but the poor are never going to be the job creators. Reagan believed by reducing their burden, that alone would enable then to buy more equipment, hire more, start new companies, etc.... That as we all know, came to be known as Reaganomics. It worked! Not only was the economy stronger, more taxes were being poured into the government because many more were now paying taxes.

The Clinton administration fell on the heel of all this. Reagan's plan didn't just happen overnight. It took years and years. If you listen to political analysts, both sides are now saying that Clinton inherited a great economy.

Now, I realize Clinton made some good decisions for the country too. A lot of his policies have benefited the Bush administration and it will probably play some effect on the next few president's administrations as well.

I may not be seeing the bigger picture, but I can't name a single positive that Carter has left as a legacy as president. Sure, he might do some charitable work now, which is commendable, but what did he do as president?

 

[Puffy2]

Hostages are hostages and yes, I do look at them equally and the success or failure of our government and diplomacy based on their life or death and I'm certain that their families do also. Bush sucks at protecting the lives of citizens abroad (or for here in the US for that matter, ie., Katrina...I guess we are all on our own under this Administration. no surprise there.)

and just to clear up the education history of Carter:
http://www.engology.com/engpg5ajimmycarter.htm

"Carter began his career as a naval engineer after receiving a B.S. degree from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1946. In 1950 the navy decided to build its first ship since the end of World War II and Lt. Carter, who had become a submariner, was assigned to represent the navy with the precommissioning engineering for a new type of submarine. After the navy decided to build two nuclear submarines, he was selected for this service. He was assigned first to the Atomic Energy Commission in Washington, D.C, then to Schenectady, N.Y. as senior officer of the crew of the "Sea Wolf," which was under construction. He took graduate work from Union College in reactor technology and nuclear physics, supervised the training of the crew, and assisted with the construction of the power plant. "

 

[Puffy2]

Bush is strong, religious, and patriotic.

Nearly a dictator?? Pray tell, what is this based on?Bush is strong, religious, and patriotic.

Gee, let me think:

1. Illegal wiretapping of Ameican citizens.
2. Expanding the so called Patriot Act to monitor library records of American citizens.
3. Seeking to monitor the internet searches of American citizens.
4. Paying the media to report on stories that are favorable to the Bush Administration policies.
5. Punishing insiders who speak out against Bush Administration policies.
6. Planting "reporters" in press confrences to ask questions favorable to the Bush Administration.
7. Requiring "loyalty oaths" before allowing Ameican citizens to attend any Bush so-called "town meetings".
8. Arresting peaceful protesters for "wearing clothing that speaks out against the Bush Administration" at these so-called "town meetings".

Good grief, that's just of the top of my head. What is WRONG with some of you people who continue to support this fasicist administration? Will you only wake up when they finally take your cable tv, foot ball games and delicious snacks away? As long as you have bread and circuses your good, right?

 

[DawnCt1]

and just to clear up the education history of Carter:
http://www.engology.com/engpg5ajimmycarter.htm

"Carter began his career as a naval engineer after receiving a B.S. degree from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1946. In 1950 the navy decided to build its first ship since the end of World War II and Lt. Carter, who had become a submariner, was assigned to represent the navy with the precommissioning engineering for a new type of submarine. After the navy decided to build two nuclear submarines, he was selected for this service. He was assigned first to the Atomic Energy Commission in Washington, D.C, then to Schenectady, N.Y. as senior officer of the crew of the "Sea Wolf," which was under construction. He took graduate work from Union College in reactor technology and nuclear physics, supervised the training of the crew, and assisted with the construction of the power plant. "

He is an nuclear engineer.

 

[DawnCt1]

Gee, let me think:

1. Illegal wiretapping of Ameican citizens.
2. Expanding the so called Patriot Act to monitor library records of American citizens.
3. Seeking to monitor the internet searches of American citizens.
4. Paying the media to report on stories that are favorable to the Bush Administration policies.
5. Punishing insiders who speak out against Bush Administration policies.
6. Planting "reporters" in press confrences to ask questions favorable to the Bush Administration.
7. Requiring "loyalty oaths" before allowing Ameican citizens to attend any Bush so-called "town meetings".
8. Arresting peaceful protesters for "wearing clothing that speaks out against the Bush Administration" at these so-called "town meetings".

Good grief, that's just of the top of my head. What is WRONG with some of you people who continue to support this fasicist administration? Will you only wake up when they finally take your cable tv, foot ball games and delicious snacks away? As long as you have bread and circuses your good, right?

What I see is a list of your opinions only that have little to do with the facts.

 

[DawnCt1]

Hostages are hostages and yes, I do look at them equally and the success or failure of our government and diplomacy based on their life or death and I'm certain that their families do also. "

Perhaps you could suggest "ways to negotiate with terrorists"? That should be interesting.