Jesus wasn't resurrected

But you object only with the side of the argument you disagree with.
I only objected to the person who was making up stuff to attack me - make sense? But if it makes you happy, I'll agree that making up stuff to attack people is bad no matter who does it. Do you agree?
 
But he didn't say there was only one way to access that path. That's your belief, not the word of Christ. Paul seemed to think women could access that path via childbirth (see 1 Ti 2:15)

Not sure what you mean my "access" the path. Salvation by accepting what Jesus did on the cross is the only path. John 3:16 and others.

I checked 1 Titus 2:15 - I think you may have cited the wrong Scripture address here.
 
OK, how can a person's actions deafen a person to God's call? Again, you are saying that man can get in the way of God's will for salvation.

Why did God harden Pharoah's heart? Why did God love Jacob but hate Esau?

Election and manipulation are not interchangeable words or concepts.

Look, this is not going to resolve. We're not going to agree and we're eating up bandwith with this argument. We've got some basic differences about free will and the nature of God that just won't resolve. We probably look at Scripture differently too, so it's not a good idea to keep this up.

I respect you for your strong beliefs, I really do. I just can't accept the same things, but if you're right I will eventually since I really don't have the choice that I think I have. ;)
 
Nobody said that the Bible was fake, but only questioned that the Bible and that message was the only one God sent. I have a Muslim co-worker that would say the exact same things that you do about the Koran and the message God sent there. He is just as sure that he is right as you are sure that you are right.

He is deceived. Jesus came to the earth for the entire world. One God, one Bible, one path.
 

Not sure what you mean my "access" the path. Salvation by accepting what Jesus did on the cross is the only path. John 3:16 and others.

I checked 1 Titus 2:15 - I think you may have cited the wrong Scripture address here.

He was referring to 1 Timothy 2:15 though it was taken WAY out of context. Please dont give them any fodder by thinking there is more that one book of Titus.
 
He is deceived. Jesus came to the earth for the entire world. One God, one Bible, one path.

And here is the difference. He has full respect for those of us that are not of the Muslim faith. He does not consider us infidels or deceived. He considers us people, created by the same God that created him, only following a different path to that God.
 
Not sure what you mean my "access" the path. Salvation by accepting what Jesus did on the cross is the only path. John 3:16 and others.

I checked 1 Titus 2:15 - I think you may have cited the wrong Scripture address here.
Jesus never said that accepting what He did on the cross is the only path. Those are your words - not His. Nor does John 3:16 use - or imply - only.

Jesus said He was the way. But that doesn't mean Jesus couldn't choose to let Muslims or Buddhists on the way. I believe Esau was about to walk with God without ever accepting what Jesus did on the cross.

BTW - First Timothy, Second Timothy, just one Titus

I Timothy 2:15 15But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety
 
Jesus never said that accepting what He did on the Cross is the only path. Those are your words - not His. Nor does John 3:16 use - or imply - only.

Jesus said He was the way. But that doesn't mean Jesus couldn't choose to let Muslims or Buddhists on the way. I belive Esau was about to walk with God without ever accepting what Jesus did on the cross.

BTW - First Timothy, Second Timothy, just one Titus :)

I Timothy 2:15 15But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety

The "saved" in this verse does not mean "eternal salvation." Scripture is very clear on the one and only path to Salvation. Jesus made it very clear is his speaking. Jesus died on the cross for all of us. If we reject Him, we reject the Father.
 
The "saved" in this verse does not mean "eternal salvation."
That's your opinion as to what that verse is talking about. Most people agree with you. But it's just your opinion, not what the Bible says.

There is a world of difference between what the Bible actually says, and what you think it means. Don't confuse the two; don't present your opinions as Biblical fact.

Scripture is very clear on the one and only path to Salvation.
Really? The way to be clear is to say "one and only." It doesn't. As a matter of fact, most of the Bible is about people who never heard of Jesus. Do they have no salvation?
 
Here is a non-Christian's opinion on the claims. Contrary to popular belief, other people outside the Christian faith are denouncing these claims as well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-feiler/the-jesus-tomb-meets-the-_b_42637.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-feiler/the-jesus-hoax_b_42195.html

He may not be christian but he's still very religious....

I, for one, was criticized roundly - not least for being a Christian apologist. Fair enough, I was doing criticizing as well. Yet a few clicks of the Internet would have revealed that I'm not Christian; I'm Jewish. I'm not a Fundamentalist; I've written widely calling on liberals to get over their knee-jerk hostility to all things Scriptural and take back the Bible for their own purposes

The Writer of your links...

Bruce Feiler is the New York Times-bestselling author of seven books, including Walking the Bible, Abraham, and Where God Was Born, and the host of the acclaimed series Walking the Bible on PBS. He is a frequent contributor to NPR and CNN and a contributing editor at Gourmet and Parade. He has a blog, Feiler Faster, at www.brucefeiler.com.

What Amazon has about his book...walking the bible...

Walking the Bible: A Journey by Land Through the Five Books of Moses is the story of Bruce Feiler's 10,000-mile trek from Mount Ararat to Mount Nebo, undertaken for reasons he did not understand at the outset and accompanied by a companion who was very nearly a stranger. In the book's first chapter, in characteristically understated style, Feiler suggests a viable parallel to his journey:
Abraham was not originally the man he became. He was not an Israelite, he was not a Jew. He was not even a believer in God--at least initially. He was a traveler, called by some voice not entirely clear that said: Go, head to this land, walk along this route, and trust what you will find.
Feiler, a fifth-generation American Jew from the South, had felt no particular attachment to the Holy Land. Yet during his journey, Feiler's previously abstract faith grew more grounded. ("I began to feel a certain pull from the landscape.... It was a feeling of gravity. A feeling that I wanted to take off all my clothes and lie facedown in the soil.") Feiler's attentiveness, intelligence, and adventurousness enliven every page of this book. And the lessons he learned about the relationship between place and the spirit will be useful for readers of every religious tradition that finds its origins in the Bible. --Michael Joseph Gross --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

Obviously he is very religious. Like I said i can find anythign to support my theories too...so stop linking me to nobodies. He is no different then me or you discussing the matter here.

That said I also have said numerous times that I find this claim (of the tomb) almost impossible to believe.
 
Really? The way to be clear is to say "one and only." It doesn't.

Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." in John 14:6

It seems He is being pretty specific in that verse about being the "one and only." I'm curious to know what you think about that.
 
I only objected to the person who was making up stuff to attack me - make sense? But if it makes you happy, I'll agree that making up stuff to attack people is bad no matter who does it. Do you agree?

Absolutely!
 
And here is the difference. He has full respect for those of us that are not of the Muslim faith. He does not consider us infidels or deceived. He considers us people, created by the same God that created him, only following a different path to that God.

Your friend sounds like a smart man.

Follwing all the banter, I can see why so many people are turned off by christianity. I've stated in previous post my thoughts on the religion of christianity, and I have my reasons for not believing as many here do in the scriptures in the bible.

That does not mean I think they will go to hell. Like they feel I will. I appreciate that they have such strong convictions about something such as this. I however do not Appreciate being told I am a fool for not believeing as they do. I will never believe in the bible as the true words of god and there are many reasons for that. I will not go into them right now.

Disagreements such as what we have been having here are the reason so many have died in this world. I find that sad. I also think that my god (again my belief system here not anyone elses) Is going to be extremely dissapointed in a lot of people when they reach the gates of heaven.(I am not saying that he won't let them in.I think he will just be dissapointed like a father is to a child who makes a bad choice)

I respect everyone's opinions, and have asked honest questions that I want honest answers for. Yet people seem to continue to have a flame war in this thread and get mean spirited. (both sides of the discussion)
I too have let my emotions getth ebest of me in certain post and for that I am apologizing to anyone I may have offended.(Aquinas...Jimmie?)

I look forward to continue these discussions.
 
Here I would disagree with you. I think Jesus' teachingS are significantly different from just saying what is in the OT.

Take this passage for instance where he is specifically moving away from OT teachings...

38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[a] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Double post
 
Here I would disagree with you. I think Jesus' teachingS are significantly different from just saying what is in the OT.

Take this passage for instance where he is specifically moving away from OT teachings...

38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[a] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Actually,if you take a good look at Rabbi Hillel and his teachings it right there. Your Golden Rule also comes right from Hillel... You have to realize that much of what you see in the OT applies to a group of people setting up an actual government which has quite different rules from what everyday people do...You also have the OT to look at but do not see what is in the Talmud..
 
That's your opinion as to what that verse is talking about. Most people agree with you. But it's just your opinion, not what the Bible says.

There is a world of difference between what the Bible actually says, and what you think it means. Don't confuse the two; don't present your opinions as Biblical fact.

Really? The way to be clear is to say "one and only." It doesn't. As a matter of fact, most of the Bible is about people who never heard of Jesus. Do they have no salvation?

Ohhhh, but you know what the Bible says and "really" means.

The Bible is very clear on salvation. Jesus is the "one and only."
 
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