Jay-Z, Lady Gaga, and Subliminal Messages in Music

[DramaQueen]

Look at these lyrics to the song D'Evils by Jay-Z. I don't think it can be any more clear that his message is blatantly obvious.

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/D'Evils-lyrics-Jay-Z/1187EC8CC5570F33482568CF0001827E

definitely not blatantly obvious that jay is part of a secret society, if he was why would he write a song about it to promote it. (my grandpa was a mason about 50 years ago and you better beliiiiieve he won't say a word about it to this day.)
because he's rapping about secret societies in one song certainly doesn't mean he's part of one.
and if he's trying to subliminally influence youth (like the artcile claims) he's not doing a very good job of it if you use that song as an example.
if you ask me that song is blatantly telling people to staaaay awaaaay from the illuminati/mafia/etc.

i in no way believe that because an artist like jay-z is aware of and referring to the freemasons, the illuminati, and/or their symbolic representations in his art means that he is a member and is sending subliminal messages regarding that matter.

sure there are things in those articles that point to it, but what about every other aspect of his career? the person who wrote this article took a few things that could be "linked" in order to "prove" that jay-z is trying to subliminally influence people with his music/career. that argument is not strong enough for me to believe. again i'll say, it's simply over analysis.

 

[Fatphil32]

definitely not blatantly obvious that jay is part of a secret society, if he was why would he write a song about it to promote it. (my grandpa was a mason about 50 years ago and you better beliiiiieve he won't say a word about it to this day.)
because he's rapping about secret societies in one song certainly doesn't mean he's part of one.
and if he's trying to subliminally influence youth (like the artcile claims) he's not doing a very good job of it if you use that song as an example.
if you ask me that song is blatantly telling people to staaaay awaaaay from the illuminati/mafia/etc.

i in no way believe that because an artist like jay-z is aware of and referring to the freemasons, the illuminati, and/or their symbolic representations in his art means that he is a member and is sending subliminal messages regarding that matter.

sure there are things in those articles that point to it, but what about every other aspect of his career? the person who wrote this article took a few things that could be "linked" in order to "prove" that jay-z is trying to subliminally influence people with his music/career. that argument is not strong enough for me to believe. again i'll say, it's simply over analysis.

Well, that song was actually written before he was signed by Roc-A-Fella records and was on his first album. So this song wasn't necessarily out to influence people. It was just him writing his thoughts down at that moment. However, subliminal hints are suggested in other lyrics. One for example is:

"I'm so illuminated, I may glow in the dark"

Then when Kayne West became Jay-Z's understudy, they were seen preforming the typical hand-shake once used by apprentices and their understudies back in the strong days of the Freemasons. He also went on a tour called, "Glow in the Dark."

Over analysis? Or maybe just realizing that the Freemasons and Illuminati "elitist" are still influencing us very heavily without us realizing it. And many Freemasons now-a-days make it obvious or admit to being apart of the group. There was an interview on CNN I believe with three congressman who were talking about how they were indeed members. Times have changed and current Freemasons do not hide the fact they belong to the occult.

And almost all aspects of his career hint towards being an elitist. His music with their subliminal messages, his clothing line constantly featuring the all-seeing eye, the constant throwing of the diamond, his understudies such as Kayne and Rhianna promoting such beliefs, ect.

 

[DramaQueen]

Well, that song was actually written before he was signed by Roc-A-Fella records and was on his first album. So this song wasn't necessarily out to influence people. It was just him writing his thoughts down at that moment. However, subliminal hints are suggested in other lyrics. One for example is:

"I'm so illuminated, I may glow in the dark"

Then when Kayne West became Jay-Z's understudy, they were seen preforming the typical hand-shake once used by apprentices and their understudies back in the strong days of the Freemasons. He also went on a tour called, "Glow in the Dark."

Over analysis? Or maybe just realizing that the Freemasons and Illuminati "elitist" are still influencing us very heavily without us realizing it. And many Freemasons now-a-days make it obvious or admit to being apart of the group. There was an interview on CNN I believe with three congressman who were talking about how they were indeed members. Times have changed and current Freemasons do not hide the fact they belong to the occult.

And almost all aspects of his career hint towards being an elitist. His music with their subliminal messages, his clothing line constantly featuring the all-seeing eye, the constant throwing of the diamond, his understudies such as Kayne and Rhianna promoting such beliefs, ect.

I don't doubt that the most powerful people in the world are still influencing us, I'm sure a lot of people realize that. I just don't think Jay-z/Rihanna/Kanye/Lady Gaga have anything to do with it.


Also, from my very limited knowledge of the freemasons that my grandfather has told me, you can't see someone performing the handshake, it's all in the way they grip each others hands. so i dunno how jay&kanye would've been seen doing the 'typical handshake'. (my grandfather claims to have done it on me hundreds of times and i've enver been able to tell)
also, the freemasons also do not admit women or people with criminal records, which rules out both lady gaga and jay-z.

 

[Fatphil32]

I don't doubt that the most powerful people in the world are still influencing us, I'm sure a lot of people realize that. I just don't think Jay-z/Rihanna/Kanye/Lady Gaga have anything to do with it.


Also, from my very limited knowledge of the freemasons that my grandfather has told me, you can't see someone performing the handshake, it's all in the way they grip each others hands. so i dunno how jay&kanye would've been seen doing the 'typical handshake'. (my grandfather claims to have done it on me hundreds of times and i've enver been able to tell)
also, the freemasons also do not admit women or people with criminal records, which rules out both lady gaga and jay-z.

Honestly, I don't expect many people to buy into the idea or believe me. When I first was introduced to it, I was completely skeptical because the person who told me about it also believes in the 9/11 conspiracy. However, I believe there is clear evidence here supporting this belief. The stuff I can't convince myself are that companies like AOL, CBS, ect. are behind it. People actually do believe that they are in on the "conspiracy" to promote the Freemasons again because of their companies emblems. While they no doubt do suggest the all-seeing eye, they were created by private artist who were given complete control on how they designed the logo.

Also, I think it's obvious to me all four are involved. I mean, Lady Gaga posing like Bephomet? Her constant shutting of the right eye only showing the left, just like the all-seeing eye. Also, if anyone controls what goes on in the industry, it's those at the top. And Jay-Z is one of the most influential hip-hop producers out there. Wether or not Kayne or Rhianna are in on the occult, I think that Jay-Z is no doubt apart of it and trying to use other artist, as well as himself, to promote it.

Here's an example of the handshake, where you can see the grip (between Jay-Z and Nas):

And one more thing, Lady Gaga is apart of the Illuminati, not the Freemasons. And times have changed. There are many groups that have changed rules and allowed members that were at once not permitted. I can't see them denying someone as influential as Jay-Z admittance.

 

[imabrat]

What the heck is so bad about the Masons and the Illuminati? I've never heard of the Illuminati and the only thing I know about the Masons is that they've done a great thing with the Shriners Hospitals. Someone explain.

 

[Fatphil32]

What the heck is so bad about the Masons and the Illuminati? I've never heard of the Illuminati and the only thing I know about the Masons is that they've done a great thing with the Shriners Hospitals. Someone explain.

To all groups there are goods and bads. The one bad that is highly unacceptable by most standards are that a lot of members of the Freemason, mainly in Non-US countries, worship the devil. The problem was they were to worship a "Supreme Being" but many decided for themselves what that being was instead of following tradition. And a lot of them are also elitist.

That's a later 19th century drawing of Freemasons worshiping Baphomet.

Also, the Freemasons are not the Shriners... Unless, they have something to do with the hospitals that I don't know about.

 

[kelly7ak]

i don't think a church should be forced to marry people they disagree with. but i do think that gay people should be allowed to get married outside of a church.

You're absolutely right ... no church should ever be forced to do anything that's not in line with their beliefs. Civil unions should be legal.

On a side note, remember that God did not condemn homosexuality (it's not in the Ten Commandments, nor did Jesus say anything about it), men who were 'in positions of authority' in the church/religion made those 'rules' ... the same guys who gave rules about owning slaves and how to treat them, etc.

 

[marypops!]

http://www.cracked.com/article_17469_p3.html

Yeah...

 

[life of the party]

i'm still pretty confused on this whole thing.

but seriously, what does it matter if any of them are in these groups or adding subliminal messages about the groups in their music?
obviously it isn't affecting anyone to join these groups.

 

[imabrat]

To all groups there are goods and bads. The one bad that is highly unacceptable by most standards are that a lot of members of the Freemason, mainly in Non-US countries, worship the devil. The problem was they were to worship a "Supreme Being" but many decided for themselves what that being was instead of following tradition. And a lot of them are also elitist.

That's a later 19th century drawing of Freemasons worshiping Baphomet.

Also, the Freemasons are not the Shriners... Unless, they have something to do with the hospitals that I don't know about.

The Shriners are a subgroup, "fraternity" as it said, of the Freemasons. To be Shriner, you must be a Freemason.

Okay, so we're going to condemn someone because they believe in an alternate Supreme Being? Well hell, we might as well condemn all those Scientologists too, and hey what about those dang athiests?

Hookairs. If someone wants to believe in something, let them. No one knows what's real and what's not, it's our sense of faith in that thing that reassures us. People can believe in purple-spotted dinosaurs as their Supreme Being, what am I gonna do about it?

 

[Fatphil32]

http://www.cracked.com/article_17469_p3.html

Yeah...

Yeah... I never said anything about them ruling the world..

i'm still pretty confused on this whole thing.

but seriously, what does it matter if any of them are in these groups or adding subliminal messages about the groups in their music?
obviously it isn't affecting anyone to join these groups.

The Shriners are a subgroup, "fraternity" as it said, of the Freemasons. To be Shriner, you must be a Freemason.

Okay, so we're going to condemn someone because they believe in an alternate Supreme Being? Well hell, we might as well condemn all those Scientologists too, and hey what about those dang athiests?

Hookairs. If someone wants to believe in something, let them. No one knows what's real and what's not, it's our sense of faith in that thing that reassures us. People can believe in purple-spotted dinosaurs as their Supreme Being, what am I gonna do about it?

Because it's highly against the majority of Americans beliefs, yet they still support these artist by listening to their music and buying their clothing. And by that, they're unintentionally promoting the artist's beliefs. If you were a very devout Christian and you saw Jay-Z's message, would you be offended? I would. I'm not very religious, but I just find it sad that they have to disguise their beliefs instead of coming out and admitting, because they're scared sales will go down.

And Shriners just have to adhere to the Freemasons' principles. They don't necessarily have to follow in their beliefs, though.

 

[marypops!]

I mainly posted that because of the line about subliminal messages in Hannah Montana songs

I'm with the majority in this thread. Would rather just listen to the music then pick at everything within it to find it's hidden meaning (which most don't really have)

When I first saw this thread, I thought it was about backwards songs... Don't really believe in those either. Unless there's a part in the song that is backwards when normally played. That's obviously intentionally placed there.

 

[Fatphil32]

I mainly posted that because of the line about subliminal messages in Hannah Montana songs

I'm with the majority in this thread. Would rather just listen to the music then pick at everything within it to find it's hidden meaning (which most don't really have)

When I first saw this thread, I thought it was about backwards songs... Don't really believe in those either. Unless there's a part in the song that is backwards when normally played. That's obviously intentionally placed there.

Yeah.. The Hannah Montana thing is a bit ridiculous. However, it's not ridiculous that producers and such would take advantage of her and use her to get their message across. But Miley sending the message on her will? That deserves an LOL.

See, I like to dig deep into meanings. My English teacher this year has told me after my essay I wrote on conformity in rap music that she thinks I'll end up majoring in some sort of journalism in college and end up writing articles on social problems where I can criticize people and express my opinion.

And there are some intentionally placed backwards stuff in Eminem, Jay-Z, and Tupac music, but I'll not get into that. The only artist who is clearly saying stuff backwards is Tupac, so I can't buy into Eminem and Jay-Z doing it purposely.

 

[nerdylightbulb]

I always knew Lady Gaga was evil *shifty eyes*




But seriously, I think the whole thing is silly.

 

[imabrat]

Yeah... I never said anything about them ruling the world..





Because it's highly against the majority of Americans beliefs, yet they still support these artist by listening to their music and buying their clothing. And by that, they're unintentionally promoting the artist's beliefs. If you were a very devout Christian and you saw Jay-Z's message, would you be offended? I would. I'm not very religious, but I just find it sad that they have to disguise their beliefs instead of coming out and admitting, because they're scared sales will go down.

And Shriners just have to adhere to the Freemasons' principles. They don't necessarily have to follow in their beliefs, though.

I can't answer that because I'm not a devout Christian, I'm a Catholic. Honestly, I'd like to think I wouldn't care. The whole point of Christianity is to believe in God and to believe in Jesus Christ and to follow their word, all while encouraging others to do the same. People will believe what they want to believe, all I can do (if I were a devout Christian) is encourage them to believe in God. If they don't, well suit themselves, the choice is theirs. Will God save them in the end, I don't know.

 

[Fatphil32]

I always knew Lady Gaga was evil *shifty eyes*




But seriously, I think the whole thing is silly.

She's pretty god damn creapy I think we can all agree on that.

 

[Axel]

To all groups there are goods and bads. The one bad that is highly unacceptable by most standards are that a lot of members of the Freemason, mainly in Non-US countries, worship the devil. The problem was they were to worship a "Supreme Being" but many decided for themselves what that being was instead of following tradition. And a lot of them are also elitist.

That's a later 19th century drawing of Freemasons worshiping Baphomet.

Also, the Freemasons are not the Shriners... Unless, they have something to do with the hospitals that I don't know about.

Thanks for finally spelling it right.

and hi. not a free mason, but I still worship the devil. thus far I don't think I'm evil. There's a lot of reasons for it, too. Why people worship Satan/The Devil (and Lucifer even though they aren't technically the same thing if you follow the history back far enough) is based on a whole bunch of different reasons.

 

[Fatphil32]

Thanks for finally spelling it right.

and hi. not a free mason, but I still worship the devil. thus far I don't think I'm evil. There's a lot of reasons for it, too. Why people worship Satan/The Devil (and Lucifer even though they aren't technically the same thing if you follow the history back far enough) is based on a whole bunch of different reasons.

Many websites I've read spell it wrong so I texted a friend and he spelled it correctly for me, lol. And since I'm pretty interested in your reasonings could you PM me? Don't really want to get it started in here and get this shut down lol.

 

[Axel]

another question I've got is this:

Why does nobody worry when it's the Christians who are including subliminal messaging in their music?

 

[Sparx]

another question I've got is this:

Why does nobody worry when it's the Christians who are including subliminal messaging in their music?

because christians are good and right and everything else is evil and wrong.
its called ethnocentrism. the group you are included in is good and the groups you're not in are wrong and bad. and this thread is a perfect example of it, in action.