January Boycott of Disney underway.....

[MasterGracy]

MR D,

Of course there is no need for you to give up a vacation you already had planned, and I applaude you for your sentiments. Every little bit helps.

 

[Chuck S]

Master Gracy,


Your original post was on the DEBATE BOARD it was moved here. Keep in mind that the early responses were also from the debate board. What type of responses did you expect?

 

[SCDizFan]

Master Gracy, I do care. However, a boycott of Disney hurts the hourly employees of Disney.

First and formost, the hourly employees get laid off. They lose hours. These people are single parents, heads of households, students paying their way through college, etc.

Whether or not I agree with Micheal Eisner isn't the point. To a degree, yes I think he has lost the Disney idea and turned it into corporate America. However, he has created thousands of jobs and made money for the stockholders.

Stockholders aren't faceless people. These people have retirement, college education funds, savings, and money invested in Disney. Mr. Eisner has to answer to the stockholders when Disney isn't paying out dividends.

Again, my point is that this boycott wasn't thought all the way through. The people that need their jobs the most are the ones it hurts first.

 

[Chuck S]

Absolutely right, SCDizFan,

When revenue drops, what is the first controllable cost that takes a hit? Hourly employees...it is this way in any business...next, park operations...park hours and ride hours/opening. Then long term capital investments...R & D.

A better way for stockholder to make their feelings known is through communication with the company.

 

[DawnCt]

Originally posted by SCDizFan
Master Gracy, I do care. However, a boycott of Disney hurts the hourly employees of Disney.

First and formost, the hourly employees get laid off. They lose hours. These people are single parents, heads of households, students paying their way through college, etc.

Whether or not I agree with Micheal Eisner isn't the point. To a degree, yes I think he has lost the Disney idea and turned it into corporate America. However, he has created thousands of jobs and made money for the stockholders.

Stockholders aren't faceless people. These people have retirement, college education funds, savings, and money invested in Disney. Mr. Eisner has to answer to the stockholders when Disney isn't paying out dividends.

Again, my point is that this boycott wasn't thought all the way through. The people that need their jobs the most are the ones it hurts first.

My personal boycott has to do with not getting a good value for my vacation dollar. Should it be the guests primarily responsibility to keep employees working when they feel that there are so many more excellent vacation values? Should guests continue to frequent Disney, spend money in the hotels and restaurants when the hours have been shortened and the prices have exceeded the rate of inflation? While there may be an organized boycott in progress, understand that there are plenty of former loyal guests that will find better ways to spend their money.

 

[Dznefreek]

The Haunted Mansion Fan Club will be shut down from January 1st to February 1st 2004

Maybe it's just me but shutting down your website does not hurt Disney in any way shape, or form.

I think the only thing it will accomplish is giving them a good laugh. I worked there p/t during the Southern Baptist Boycott and that did not have any affect on the parks at all.

 

[HauntedMansionFan]

Originally posted by MasterGracy
I was under the false impression that this was a group of Disney fans who cared. I was therefore mistaken that this group would be interested in supporting the vast majority who want Eisner removed. That is the reason the informaion about the boycott was shared with you. Apparently this is, in actually, just another group of snobby know it alls in their own little clique. I'm sure Eisner thanks you.

So tell me again why I would want to be on the side with someone that has an attitude as poor as yours when people disagree with you?

 

[ArcticWildMan]

Wow!!! More and more I'm convinced that this entire board is good for nothing more than belittling those that have a different opinion than you.

A lot of folks on this site are unhappy with the way Disney has been run by Eisner yet you belittle somebody for at least trying to do something about it.

I applaud Master Gracey for at least attempting to change things by boycotting Disney. It may just be a small act of defiance, but at least he's doing something (something a vast majority of us here can't exactly lay claim to). We like to complain and whine about the state of Disney but we expect everybody ELSE to do something about it.

 

[Mr D]

Well I just arrived in Orlando a few hours ago, good to see a fellow Wasilla person here on the Dis man the security was tight in Anchorage getting out last night, and it even delayed our takeoff by over an hour out of Seattle this morning. now my long journey is over for a long while (4 week at least) and its vacation from the cold and ice back home, and especially my boss at work feeling terrribly lost while I'm gone, he shut down the whole concrete batch plant until I return in feb!

Anyhow its a little cloudy but warm here, I have a sporty Chrysler Sebring rental car and just got back from Publix with about a weeks worth of TV dinners, tomorrow its off to see Spiderman!



And no Disney yet....

 

[MasterGracy]

MR D,
I'm very happy to hear that you arrived safely. I hope you're vacation is all that you hoped it would be. Have fun!




DZNE FREEK,
If you think it's "my" site alone that has shut down, maybe you should reread my original post - and be sure to put your glasses on this time, partner.


DAWN CT,
I like your attitude. If only there were more faithful fans like you...
You're the kind of person Disney needs to turn the company around.


ARTIC WILD MAN,
Thanks for your words of encouragement. It's good to see someone with their ears and eyes open, and a keen mind.


HAUNTED MANSION FAN,
I have a poor attitude? I'm sorry, you must be confusing me with the naysayers on this board who don't merely disagree but are vicious. I merely replied in their own language. Thought it might make them feel at home.


CHUCK S,
You're right, I did post on the "debate" board - not the "hack, slash and kill those you disagree with" board of Doombuggies.com


SC DIZ FAN,
You say "However, [Eisner] has created thousands of jobs and made money for the stockholders." Actually, Eisner has dropped the hiring standards, which largely contributes to the lack of quality customer care; and as for his making money for the stock holders (of which I am one), I quote Forbes Magazine's Best and Worse Bosses list for May 2003 -
"The worst on our list: Walt Disney's Michael Eisner, who averaged $122 Million in pay since 1997, while delivering a lame
-5% annual return to shareholders."

 

[Mr D]

Bravo Bravo!


I'm off with my son to Universal Studios today, gotta see Spiderman. And he is actually not interested in Disney at all! Especially when I say there is very little new stuff added since our last visit in 2001.

 

[anniet]

Sorry, the Disney trip was already planned just like it has been for the past 13 Januarys and this time it's a wedding trip, so no way we're going to cancel.

Not to mention that we are DVC owners, so they already have our money and knowing what the attendance is in JANUARY I think if somebody wanted to send a message they should have boycotted the week of Christmas or Easter or school vacation weeks.

I will however be sporting my new "ROY WAS RIGHT" T-shirt.

I just hope nobody throws me out of the parks!

 

[Dznefreek]

DZNE FREEK,If you think it's "my" site alone that has shut down, maybe you should reread my original post - and be sure to put your glasses on this time, partner.

I get the idea that it is more than just your site. It is still an idea that will have NO IMPACT

 

[MasterGracy]

MR D,
Let me know if Universal still has the TWISTER attraction. That was my favorite.



ANNIET,
Love the shirt! There's another group (for the life of me I can't remember what the name of it is) which is selling t-shirts and other fundraising merchandise that say "MICHAEL EISNER: JUST SAY NO" on the front, and "SUPPORT ROY" with his picture on the back.


DZNE FREEK,
No one is twisting your arm to participate.

 

[ArcticWildMan]

Originally posted by Mr D
Well I just arrived in Orlando a few hours ago, good to see a fellow Wasilla person here on the Dis man the security was tight in Anchorage getting out last night, and it even delayed our takeoff by over an hour out of Seattle this morning. now my long journey is over for a long while (4 week at least) and its vacation from the cold and ice back home, and especially my boss at work feeling terrribly lost while I'm gone, he shut down the whole concrete batch plant until I return in feb!

Anyhow its a little cloudy but warm here, I have a sporty Chrysler Sebring rental car and just got back from Publix with about a weeks worth of TV dinners, tomorrow its off to see Spiderman!



And no Disney yet....

Howdy fellow Wasillite!! Looks like you left at the perfect time!!! Big cold snap moving in. Gonna hit -20 or colder by mid week. Brrrrr!!!!

I hear ya about the security. I had to fly down to Portland 4 days before X-mas for work. It was horrible at Anchorage and Seattle. Portland wasn't bad at all. Most efficient of all the airports I've been in since 9/11.

Enjoy the warmer weather and have a safe trip.

 

[Mr D]

You mean -20 in Wasilla itself? then my house up at mile 51 out behind Fishers Fuel is gonna be at least -30, we had a pretty warm partly cloudy day in Orlando.

I bought the 5 park Flex ticket at a Publix store and first stop was Sea World, now I know why folks say its a half day park...its pretty neat of a place but we didn't stick around and hopped over to Island of Adventure. I convinced my son that Dr. Doom was'nt scary (heh heh heh ) and we basically just cruised through it on a scouting mission. Spiderman is the best ride I have ever been on, it blows anything Disney has away big time! And the wait was only 20 minutes, actually IMHO the crowds were lite, weather was perfect (well sorta perfect) I really need to rethink my wardrobe, those insulated Red Wing boots get pretty clammy and my double knee black Carharts felt like a ton, I brought cooler stuff but its so hard to get tropical clothes in Alaska...even in our brief two weeks of"summer"

Tomorrow we visit the other half of Universal, I sure wish Disney could have something like the Posidon show, I kinda like it. Its true that all the REAL talent went to Universal...duh for you Eisner. I'll report back again, I'd rather do my trip reports here instead of the normal forum as my goal is to research the failures of Eisner's leadership in creating a theme park experiance that make people come back again.

 

[GILTPRDSDM]

Just for fun I checked out the web site SaveDisney.com. No way is this Roy Disney's site. A 10 yoa kid from Montana could have done a better job wil the set up and contents.

It sounds like a few employee's or maybe one of them is upset for some reason. I dought very much that this is done by a large number of Cast Members. They are smart enough to know if no one shows up to WDW,they are layed off.

Other then this web site I have never heard anything else about this "large scale" boycott of WDWin January.
Roy was due to get out. He should have been out a few years ago because of his age. Isner,well I'm still not sure. Maybe we need new blood every now and then.

As for all else,how many company's went under the last few years? It's been a ruff road the past few,layoffs all over,cut backs,less hours,less service,increased prices,lost wages. Not just at Disney,all over the country and the world.

I've spoken to a number of Disney workers over the years and last time was the first week of December.I haven't heard a bad thing about Disney from anyone of them and I'm very friendly with several and they would tell me if they hated it. Sorry Mastergracy but I'll be back at the end of January and have as good a time as always.There's no place like home.

 

[JeffH]

IN FACT Esiner's GREED and BLOODLUST to RID the company of a member of the Disney family is what lead to Roy's removal!!!!!!!

How can someone label a 'conjured' opinion as this as "FACT", when it obviously is simply factless (and baseless) name calling.
One thing I haven't heard is that perhaps it was Roy Jr. (who is NOT Roy or Walt) who is jealous of Michael's position and has done all he can to interfere with the best interests of the Disney company?

 

[Samirella]

Originally posted by GILTPRDSDM
Just for fun I checked out the web site SaveDisney.com. No way is this Roy Disney's site. A 10 yoa kid from Montana could have done a better job wil the set up and contents.

This is a portion of the disclaimer from the bottom of the home page:

This website has been established to provide a forum for discussing, analyzing and critiquing the performance, direction and management of The Walt Disney Company and is not affiliated with, sponsored by or endorsed by The Walt Disney Company. The names "Disney" and "The Walt Disney Company" are trademarks of The Walt Disney Company. The opinions expressed in the postings on this website are those of the authors of the postings and do not necessarily reflect the views of Shamrock, Roy E. Disney or Stanley P. Gold unless they are the authors. Neither Shamrock, Roy E. Disney nor Stanley P. Gold is liable for (1) any conduct associated with this message board or chat room, (2) any messages posted on this message board or chat room or (3) any loss and/or damages resulting from the use of this website....

Shamrock Holdings is the company affiliated with Roy Disney and Stanley Gold.
http://www.shamrockinc.com/home.asp

 

[Planogirl]

Originally posted by JeffH
How can someone label a 'conjured' opinion as this as "FACT", when it obviously is simply factless (and baseless) name calling.
One thing I haven't heard is that perhaps it was Roy Jr. (who is NOT Roy or Walt) who is jealous of Michael's position and has done all he can to interfere with the best interests of the Disney company?

Hey, maybe we can blame Roy Jr for those things that haven't gone so well too! After all convoluted logic is always available to fit one's views.