It's OK to use your retail poly points to stay at SSR

I disagree. It was just a method of building a straw-man. "Look! In this very specific scenario with no compromise and no concern for cost, I'm right!"

There is compromise, it is in the cost. You are compromising by paying more to get peace of mind and convenience (not having to guess, use waitlists, etc). And I was pointing to a scenario in which it would make sense to buy at Poly but use points elsewhere.... that is what this post is all about. It doesn't mean it is always right to buy Poly if you want to stay there half the time.... in most instances it is not and I am not arguing against that. The view that bothers me, and that you seem to be defending, is that there is NO situation when it is okay to buy a premium resort and stay elsewhere except on the rare occasion and I just believe that is far from true, such as in the specific example I gave.
 
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I'd add that basically no new buyer is going to truly know where they want to stay unless they have a ton of DVC type experience anyway. Some get lucky and guess well but more often than not where they prefer to stay isn't where they think it is.

I totally agree with this, but by this philosophy it means pretty much nobody should ever buy direct. Granted in many, if not most, cases it makes more financial sense to buy resale, but everything isn't always 100 percent financial. I am saying once you have bought into a premium resort, after careful consideration and weighing all the options, if in the future your vacation habits change or if on specific trips it makes more sense to stay elsewhere you are being stubborn and only hurting yourself by refusing to do so as not to "dilute the value" of your initial purchase. If you bought at a premium resort and 15 years later decide for a couple years in a row you want to stay in a BWV studio to stretch your points then there is nothing wrong with that. You shouldn't force yourself to keep staying at PVB if you don't want to or it doesn't make sense. And you shouldn't look back in hindsight and say I should have just bought SSR, because what you bought was the top priority to book PVB and that isn't lessened or taken away by staying elsewhere. Especially if you have used that priority successfully in the past and will continue too in the future.

Another example I could give is with the disney dining plan. Let say you go for your dinner at a sit down and really want a burger and fries, although that would be the same 1 table service credit as steak and lobster. But you are sharing with your son who hates seafood and you really don't want steak. It makes no sense to get the steak and lobster because it is the most expensive and the most financially efficient use of your dining plan. You should get what you want, and what makes the most sense for your unique circumstance at that time, even though you have already purchased the dining plan.

Sure you can say well then you shouldn't have bought the dining plan if you weren't going to get the most expensive thing at every restaurant every time. But most people don't buy the dining plan to get the most expensive thing every time, but rather for peace of mind and convenience of knowing you can order whatever you want and not worry about the price... as well as save for your food ahead of time, be able to easily manage your kids dining while on vacation, or whatever your unique circumstances were for wanting to buy the dining plan and decided the cost was worth it TO YOU.

The argument I keep hearing on this thread is that since you bought the dining plan you should order the most expensive thing at the most expensive restaurant every time regardless of what you want or what makes sense for that unique circumstance (what park you are at, how long the wait is, what you are in the mood for, etc.) or else you are diluting the value of the dining plan. But once again you are not diluting the value if the value for you was having THE OPTION of ordering whatever you want (be it the most expensive thing or not) and having peace of mind without having to stress about budgeting for meals, etc.
 
I wonder how big of a population that is that needs two showers in the morning in a studio. A "bunch of people" maxes out at five, and my family often does its showering at night at Disney due to being hot and sweaty. Disney trips often mean children - and in my experience, until your kids are tweens or teens, they don't shower every day (I suspect even at hot and sweaty, parents depend on the pool for a rinse for the kids as often as not). And as for my husband and I, we've been sharing a shower in our bathroom while we both get ready for work for 21 years, we have an easy pattern, and I suspect most couples do.

So, if your target is families, I'm figuring there are a few years - between tween and "I don't want to/can't travel with you" from the kids - that most people need two showers.


Two showers are awesome. My kids shower everyday and they need soap not pool water to get clean.
 
I totally agree with this, but by this philosophy it means pretty much nobody should ever buy direct. Granted in many, if not most, cases it makes more financial sense to buy resale, but everything isn't always 100 percent financial. I am saying once you have bought into a premium resort, after careful consideration and weighing all the options, if in the future your vacation habits change or if on specific trips it makes more sense to stay elsewhere you are being stubborn and only hurting yourself by refusing to do so as not to "dilute the value" of your initial purchase. If you bought at a premium resort and 15 years later decide for a couple years in a row you want to stay in a BWV studio to stretch your points then there is nothing wrong with that. You shouldn't force yourself to keep staying at PVB if you don't want to or it doesn't make sense. And you shouldn't look back in hindsight and say I should have just bought SSR, because what you bought was the top priority to book PVB and that isn't lessened or taken away by staying elsewhere. Especially if you have used that priority successfully in the past and will continue too in the future.

Another example I could give is with the disney dining plan. Let say you go for your dinner at a sit down and really want a burger and fries, although that would be the same 1 table service credit as steak and lobster. But you are sharing with your son who hates seafood and you really don't want steak. It makes no sense to get the steak and lobster because it is the most expensive and the most financially efficient use of your dining plan. You should get what you want, and what makes the most sense for your unique circumstance at that time, even though you have already purchased the dining plan.

Sure you can say well then you shouldn't have bought the dining plan if you weren't going to get the most expensive thing at every restaurant every time. But most people don't buy the dining plan to get the most expensive thing every time, but rather for peace of mind and convenience of knowing you can order whatever you want and not worry about the price... as well as save for your food ahead of time, be able to easily manage your kids dining while on vacation, or whatever your unique circumstances were for wanting to buy the dining plan and decided the cost was worth it TO YOU.

The argument I keep hearing on this thread is that since you bought the dining plan you should order the most expensive thing at the most expensive restaurant every time regardless of what you want or what makes sense for that unique circumstance (what park you are at, how long the wait is, what you are in the mood for, etc.) or else you are diluting the value of the dining plan. But once again you are not diluting the value if the value for you was having THE OPTION of ordering whatever you want (be it the most expensive thing or not) and having peace of mind without having to stress about budgeting for meals, etc.
Yes it does mean that buying direct for the entire membership is overpaying unless they meet the other criteria laid out before for a high end option where there is considerable savings resale. IMO a DVC purchase has to be financial at it's core, otherwise one is just throwing away money. Obviously one can use their points as they wish within the rules and options of the system but that doesn't make it a good choice. In your dining plan example, if you get the cheap meals very often, you quickly get to where it's more expensive than paying OOP and it'd be foolish to do so. Just to buy it to have it prepaid doesn't make sense without savings due to the risks, costs and limitations. If one buys high end and their preferences change, they're often better off selling and rebuying. But that's one of the reasons I suggest it's often best to both underbuy in terms of points AND t underbuy a resort. Better to buy SSR and hate it than Poly and use elsewhere. I'd also suggest that just because someone thinks a given option was a good choice doesn't automatically make it os.
 

I think your statement - "You should only buy retail at PVB/AUV/CCV/VGF/_____ if you plan on always staying there." - really means, you should buy direct from Disney at those locations because you probably can't do much better with a resale price. If you like those resorts better than any other, you buy there. When resale is almost equal to direct costs, you buy direct to speed it up, to get the perks, etc. When the difference between resale and direct is $40-60 a point, unless you have money to burn, you buy resale.

Then you use your points anywhere you please.

I'm using my $50 OKW 1997 points at the GFV in May for a one bedroom.
 
You are correct, but the question at hand is what exactly are you paying for. The point of my post is that some people are in fact paying for THE OPTION to stay at Poly whenever they want to, because that is important to them. Even if they do not always exercise that option. They are not buying 50 stays at Poly, but rather they are buying into all 14 of the DVC properties, choosing the resort they want to have TOP PRIORITY at as the Polynesian.

If you want to have the peace of mind that you can always get Poly whenever you want, and you know that you want to stay at Poly more than any other resort (even if that only means 20 times out of 40), then the only way to guarantee that is to buy direct at Poly. Sure you can gamble and get cheaper points resale and hope you will be able to get Poly at the times you want 7 months out, but it is far from guaranteed. Especially if you want to book 7 days straight in a lake view over a holiday weekend or during F&W. So if what you are buying is the OPTION to stay at PVB whenever you want to then you actually aren't overpaying for anything, as there is no cheaper way to purchase that.

And just because you did purchase there it should not stop you for booking the right resort for any given trip, as to best fit that vacations specific needs. If you want to stay at all the DVC resorts 1 time and PVB every other time (that's about 18 stays elsewhere accounting for new resorts and 22 stays at PVB) at the times you choose then you should probably buy Poly. Buy where you WANT to stay... not buy where you are going to stay every single time. I strongly feel you would be cheating yourself never to experience the other resorts because you know you want to stay at a premium resort more often then not and want to guarantee that.

Going back to my steak analogy, you aren't overpaying because you didn't eat the whole steak. You stopped eating because you were satisfied... You got your value out of it. Sure you could have gotten a smaller, cheaper steak somewhere else... But it wouldn't have been that steak with its unique taste and flavors from that chef at that restaurant. You surely aren't going to ask the kitchen to cook you a smaller steak for half the price, so you pay the full price... even if you are only going to eat half. Because there is no cheaper way to get THAT exact steak that you want, just as there is no other way to get top booking priority at PVB without buying direct, even if you are only going to use that priority half of the time.

I believe your steak analogy should be tweaked to better reflect the current discussion. I think buying into DVC would be similar to buying discounted vouchers for meals at your favorite restaurant and the vouchers are good for anything up to the value of the steak with unique taste and flavors you crave. Using your valuable PVB points for stays at PVB would be like redeeming those vouchers for steak dinners. Now, I realize you may not want to have a steak every time you patronize that restaurant, so you might decide to burn one of those valuable vouchers for a grilled chicken instead. Once you have made that decision, you are essentially overpaying for the grilled chicken as the amount you pay for the voucher would exceed the value of the grilled chicken. Is it okay to that? Sure if that's what you want do, but I certainly won't recommend other people buying those vouchers with the intent to redeem for grilled chickens or any other item with a lower value (one off might be okay, I supposed, but certainly not repeatedly). Ultimately, if all you want is have a steak dinner for about 20 out of 40 visits, you are probably better off buying 20 of those vouchers and redeem those for steaks when you want while paying for the grilled chicken or whatever else you desire through other means on those occasions. That's certainly a better deal than loading up on 40 vouchers and redeeming them for grilled chickens or shrimp skewers whenever you don't feel like having a steak.

I understand buying DVC is more than strictly numbers. However, like Dean said, it really should be a primary focus as the underlying motivation is "saving" money on deluxe accommodations. Otherwise, one shouldn't be buying in the first place, IMHO.

LAX
 
I think a lot of the answer to these points depends on how important the 11 month booking window is to you.

For us as we fly from different continents to WDW I need flights locked in at 12-12 months so I want to know I can get accommodation locked in. This leads me to home resorts of easy 7 month booking resorts but it is peace of mind to know we have something we will love booked at 11 months and switching is a nice to have.

Now if you live a lot closer and flights are cheaper and can be booked later 11 months availability may be a lot less important and thus home resort becomes less important.
 
I think your statement - "You should only buy retail at PVB/AUV/CCV/VGF/_____ if you plan on always staying there." - really means, you should buy direct from Disney at those locations because you probably can't do much better with a resale price. If you like those resorts better than any other, you buy there. When resale is almost equal to direct costs, you buy direct to speed it up, to get the perks, etc. When the difference between resale and direct is $40-60 a point, unless you have money to burn, you buy resale.

Then you use your points anywhere you please.

I'm using my $50 OKW 1997 points at the GFV in May for a one bedroom.
To a degree they are different discussions of whether to buy retail or resale vs usage but they currently are roughly the same discussion for the reason you mention, the price differences are lower. Obviously the issue in question is high end vs cheaper points so the answer is the same currently retail or resale comparing Poly, VGF & VGC. As the prices come together it's less so which is why BLT isn't in this discussion because of the lower dues. Overall the discussion holds for anything that's significantly more expensive compared to significantly cheaper whether it be up front or in terms of dues. But even if the prices and dues were similar, one could argue the same point for something that had a far better value in terms of rental, it's just this is closer to a black and white issue given the current differences. One can use their points where they please but that doesn't make it a good choice automatically, that's why I used 75% of the time and not 100% of the time in terms of usage at the resort owned. This discussion once again highlights the need to make good choices up front. Obviously many who buy retail through a tour don't have the benefit of this decision and planning process and that's a whole different discussion in many ways. In reality it's very easy to get to the point where one pays more for less and often more than one could have paid OOP for the same exact options. Paying more just to belong to the club is never a good choice.
 
Hypothetically, you reserve a studio standard, at Disney's Saratoga Springs Resort & Spa, for 97 vacation points, from September 17 - 24, 2017. Upon arriving at your room, you learn that your neighbors, in the 1-bedroom villa, had been upgraded from their standard room at Disney's All Star Music Resort. How would you react?

I would be happy for them and hope they like it so much that they'll start looking into buying SSR resale. The value of the contracts I own will increase if more people want to buy them. :)
 
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The main reason being that the resort isn't fully declared or sold out... and that is not necessarily true for the more in demand lake view. Once it is fully declared the bungalow effect will be more pronounced, with 20 percent of the points being allocated to bungalows and much less than that many owners willing to use their points on bungalows, the studios are effected oversold. There is pretty much a 0 percent chance that you will get a lake view studio twenty times during food and wine on the exact days you want at 7 months.

As you stated, it is all conjecture at this point, but I think the bungalow effect will be about the same, as they are pretty proportionately declared right now. The bigger issue is the gap between percent declared, and percent sold will evaporate.

However, and of course this can change, but this year, Food and Wine is almost an extra month long. Will this scatter out the crowds some, or will it be as it was, just now starting the beginning of September vs. the end?

This year, I booked for September at 7 months, and both Poly and BLT had pretty open availability for studios. (I did not check VGF as I already had a ressie there for around the same time frame and wanted to stay somewhere else).

I do agree with your statement in the regard that you should not be held prisoner by your points. If you have Poly points and want to stay at SSR, then stay at SSR. If you stay at the poly despite your desires, then you are forgoing what you want, and that does not make the most sense. I have seen this with holding points. There was a post about people wanted to stay at AK or something, with holding points, but it did not use all the points, so they were thinking about staying somewhere else (forget where) that used all their points. Made no sense to me, I commented the points where gone either way...stay where you want, who cares if 10 points go into breakage, do not stay somewhere else JUST to prevent that...

But the larger point here is that you are not getting the best bang for your buck, and hits on an important point - If you are buying directly, it might be wise to break your points up into small contracts, 25-50 points each. If you all of a sudden find yourself using your Poly points as 7 month points often, then, should you desire, you can sell a 50 pointer, pick up a 75 pointer on the resale market. Then bank/borrow, stay at the Poly every other year or so, use 7 month points every other year, etc. Plus you have an extra 25 points to use every year.
 
Two showers are awesome. My kids shower everyday and they need soap not pool water to get clean.

Oh, I'm not saying there aren't people who find them wonderful, but for my family, they'd be a complete waste of space. And I suspect there are more DVC studio guests for whom it isn't a draw (not necessarily a detriment, but not a draw) than those for whom it is.
 
I believe your steak analogy should be tweaked to better reflect the current discussion. I think buying into DVC would be similar to buying discounted vouchers for meals at your favorite restaurant and the vouchers are good for anything up to the value of the steak with unique taste and flavors you crave. Using your valuable PVB points for stays at PVB would be like redeeming those vouchers for steak dinners. Now, I realize you may not want to have a steak every time you patronize that restaurant, so you might decide to burn one of those valuable vouchers for a grilled chicken instead. Once you have made that decision, you are essentially overpaying for the grilled chicken as the amount you pay for the voucher would exceed the value of the grilled chicken. Is it okay to that? Sure if that's what you want do, but I certainly won't recommend other people buying those vouchers with the intent to redeem for grilled chickens or any other item with a lower value (one off might be okay, I supposed, but certainly not repeatedly). Ultimately, if all you want is have a steak dinner for about 20 out of 40 visits, you are probably better off buying 20 of those vouchers and redeem those for steaks when you want while paying for the grilled chicken or whatever else you desire through other means on those occasions. That's certainly a better deal than loading up on 40 vouchers and redeeming them for grilled chickens or shrimp skewers whenever you don't feel like having a steak.

I understand buying DVC is more than strictly numbers. However, like Dean said, it really should be a primary focus as the underlying motivation is "saving" money on deluxe accommodations. Otherwise, one shouldn't be buying in the first place, IMHO.

LAX

Haha, now we are cooking (pun intended)! Lol but I think I can refine your analogy a bit further. First, lets say that the steaks sell out EVERY night at varying times, but often around 7pm, and you usually get off work at 630pm. Steaks are your favorite thing at this restaurant and there is no close second. Lets also say that the restaurant offers 2 vouchers, each allows one meal a week and and they both come out at least a little cheaper than paying cash (obviously one moreso than the other):

Voucher 1 represents Direct Sales at PVB:
Allows you to call in orders as early as 11am and lock your order in to be picked up any time later that day (i.e. 7pm when you arrive) and gets you first priority by skipping the line when you arrive (both 11 month priority window), gives a free drink with every meal(20 percent off DVC discount), and a free meal twice a year (moonlight magic). Also this voucher is good for 12 months. This voucher costs $1000 and is basically the equivalent of buying direct. You are guaranteeing that you can be almost sure to get a steak any night you want, regardless of if they sell out before you arrive, as long as you call in early.

Voucher 2 represents resale at SSR:
Is only valid for 9 months as opposed to 12 (used resorts have earlier contract end dates), you can not call in orders and you can not skip the line (have to book at 7 months), and you don't get free sodas or a free meal twice a year (no membership perks).... but this voucher only costs $600.

Now if you buy the second voucher, you have to live with the fact that you can only get steak on they days you arrive and get to the front of the line before they sell out since you can not call in orders early or skip to they front of the line.... So by purchasing voucher #2 you are seriously limiting your ability to choose and eat what you want every time. As a result, I am sure there will be at least a time or two (and probably more) that you will have to settle for something less than steak because you arrived too late, regardless of how bad you have been craving steak that week. That sucks, mores for some than others. Of course you could live with just getting steak the days it works out regardless of what you want that particular day in order to make a better financial choice, and there is nothing wrong with that.... but you are making major compromises on your ability to choose whatever you want to eat on any given day in the future.

And trying to predict what you will want to eat one random day a week for the next 52 weeks is just silly and not possible, even if you data chart every meal you ate for the last 5 years prior and use those analytics to determine the probability of you wanting steak on particular days, who knows how that will change over the course of the year... or what unique circumstances and situation will play into the decision each time you go to use a voucher. Sure you can make an educated guess, but a man like me would obsess and constantly worry that I won't be able to get what I want any particular night and that would drive me insane... the stress of trying to rush through traffic one day because I got off late and really want a steak... that comes with your choice to buy the cheaper voucher.

Buy purchasing the first voucher, you are purchasing the convenience and the piece of mind that you know you will be able to get a steak whenever you want one. No stress, no worries... you are paying extra specifically to eliminate that. So if that is important to you, then there is nothing wrong with buying voucher number 2. Sure it costs significantly more, but you are paying for convenience and peace of mind that you just CAN NOT GET OTHERWISE. And you know what... If 3 weeks in a row you don't want to order steak then you shouldn't force yourself too as as make sure to get the maximum value from your voucher. You should order what you want... and because you paid extra and went out of your way to allow yourself to get steaks whenever you want then you are obviously going to order steaks most nights. But if every third trip you decide to order something different than streak you are not diluting your purchase in any way because 1) you are not diluting your ability to guarantee a steak on future orders when you may very well only want steak 10 weeks in a row, and 2) It is still cheaper, at least by the tiniest margin, than paying cash.

Once you have bought into DVC it is done. My point, as jersey said, is that you should not be held prisoner by your points/initial purchase. By all means, make the most educated purchase you can but who knows what will change in the future. You should use your points for what works best for you each given year. Everybody's goal with DVC is to save some money, but it isn't to get the ABSOLUTE BEST value, nor should it be. A huge part is the convenience of planning future vacations, and convenience is an actual thing and worth something. Why do you think people fly first class when they could just fly coach? Convenience. It has monetary value.

Going back to the dining plan analogy, I'm sorry but nobody orders the dining plan and gets the most expensive thing from the most expensive restaurant with every credit... while that would be most efficient financial use of credits, it is far from the best because you will not be happy or satisfied eating at the same place every night, rushing from the park to get to Victoria and Alberts, etc. I'm not saying order a chicken sandwich or burger every time, that would be dumb. And if you were going to do that you obviously wouldn't get a dining plan. But if you want chicken parmigiana and the steak is more expensive? Who cares, order the chicken parmigiana. You are only cheating yourself by being held hostage by your initial purchase and trying to attain maximum "value". If you were able to save even a penny over paying cash, plus get what you want at every meal, and get all the convenience of the dining plan (pre paying therefore spreading out payments, autonomy for kids, less stress, etc) then you got your moneys worth, regardless of the fact you didn't order the absolute most expensive thing at the most expensive restaurant every time (and therefore the maximum monetary value of your initial purchase).
 
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I understand buying DVC is more than strictly numbers. However, like Dean said, it really should be a primary focus as the underlying motivation is "saving" money on deluxe accommodations. Otherwise, one shouldn't be buying in the first place, IMHO.

I would argue that an EQUALLY important focus for many buyers is the CONVENIENCE and peace of mind of planning and paying for future vacations.... and while everybody is trying to save money, everybody's goal is not to save the absolute most money possible... especially not at the expense of being constantly inconvenienced and sometimes stressed out and disappointed in order to get the maximum financial value.

People pay for convenience every day in life... Or else you would drive to 10 stores every time you go grocery shopping to get each item as cheap as possible and save the most money. But you don't because it is stressful and inconvenient. Do you drive to the cheapest gas station you can find using gas buddy every day, or just stop by the cheapest one one on your way home because it is more convenient...even if it costs slightly more than another 5 miles away? Convenience has major monetary value and I think you are losing that in your stance.
 
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I would argue that an EQUALLY important focus for many buyers is the CONVENIENCE and peace of mind of planning and paying for future vacations.... and while everybody is trying to save money, everybody's goal is not to save the absolute most money possible... especially not at the expense of being constantly inconvenienced and sometimes stressed out and disappointed in order to get the maximum financial value.

People pay for convenience every day in life... Or else you would drive to 10 stores every time you go grocery shopping to get each item as cheap as possible and save the most money. But you don't because it is stressful and inconvenient. Do you drive to the cheapest gas station you can find using gas buddy every day, or just stop by the cheapest one one on your way home because it is more convenient...even if it costs slightly more than another 5 miles away? Convenience has major monetary value and I think you are losing that in your stance.
I would suggest they can get more convenience and piece of mind on cash. IMO it's about balance and there isn't any if one buys high end and uses a significant portion lower end. One might do as well sell and buy something lower in that situation.
 
I would suggest they can get more convenience and piece of mind on cash. IMO it's about balance and there isn't any if one buys high end and uses a significant portion lower end. One might do as well sell and buy something lower in that situation.

Are you suggesting Dean, that it would be cheaper overall to pay cash to stay at PVB DVC 22 times and every other DVC resort once (including paying cash at AUV, VGF, VGC, BLT, CCV and all the new resorts to be built... all of which are significantly more to pay cash at then use DVC points) taking into account inflation and raising rack rates? As much as I respect your immense knowledge on all things DVC that is a little hard for me to believe. Then again, I am not going to do the math to find out so I guess I will have to trust you lol.

I would argue that if it is even $1 cheaper to buy Poly DVC and stay there 20 times and everywhere else once then it is by far the better choice and more convenient. Especially if you really love Poly. Paying cash gives you last dibs on all resorts with priority booking at none, forces you to try to go when hotels are discounted or on sale to get the best price, gives you no membership perks or discounts, does not let you pre pay, etc. Lord knows I would hate to have to go through the stress and drama of trying to rent DVC points with cash every time I want to take a WDW trip.... Don't believe me, ask the tons of people pulling out their hair on the PVB waiting list now at Davids and other DVC rental agencies wondering if they will be able to book the resort they want.
 
Are you suggesting Dean, that it would be cheaper overall to pay cash to stay at PVB DVC 22 times and every other DVC resort once (including paying cash at AUV, VGF, VGC, BLT, CCV and all the new resorts to be built... all of which are significantly more to pay cash at then use DVC points) taking into account inflation and raising rack rates? As much as I respect your immense knowledge on all things DVC that is a little hard for me to believe. Then again, I am not going to do the math to find out so I guess I will have to trust you lol.

I would argue that if it is even $1 cheaper to buy Poly DVC and stay there 20 times and everywhere else once then it is by far the better choice and more convenient. Especially if you really love Poly. Paying cash gives you last dibs on all resorts with priority booking at none, forces you to try to go when hotels are discounted or on sale to get the best price, gives you no membership perks or discounts, does not let you pre pay, etc. Lord knows I would hate to have to go through the stress and drama of trying to rent DVC points with cash every time I want to take a WDW trip.... Don't believe me, ask the tons of people pulling out their hair on the PVB waiting list now at Davids and other DVC rental agencies wondering if they will be able to book the resort they want.
No, your reference was to convenience and peace of mind. The easiest, most convenient and most stress free is simply to book on cash. So if that's the main goal, one should not buy a timeshare, period. IMO owning DVC has to save real money to be reasonable. I only believe in 2 reasonable cash comparisons, private rentals and what one would have spent not owning DVC. I don't believe the direct cash price of the DVC option has any meaning unless it would be the direct cash choice not owning. And truthfully, I don't believe that Poly will be overly difficult to get into long term with planning at 7 months out but we'll see, certainly not to the level of VGF or even BCV. If one loves it, can afford it (pay cash) and feels it's worth that much more to them; then they should buy there if DVC makes sense otherwise. But the reality is that owning there and using the points a significant % of time elsewhere dilutes the value of owning there and there is a crossover point where owning there isn't reasonable. Remember other than owning a fixed week (which most should buy if buying there) there are no guarantees of a given reservation.
 
Now... time to go figure out where I can purchase that steak timeshare and get me some vouchers! Lord knows I love me some ribeye! :tongue:
You already bought the chateaubriand or at least you paid for it.
 
No, your reference was to convenience and peace of mind. The easiest, most convenient and most stress free is simply to book on cash. So if that's the main goal, one should not buy a timeshare, period. IMO owning DVC has to save real money to be reasonable. I only believe in 2 reasonable cash comparisons, private rentals and what one would have spent not owning DVC. I don't believe the direct cash price of the DVC option has any meaning unless it would be the direct cash choice not owning. And truthfully, I don't believe that Poly will be overly difficult to get into long term with planning at 7 months out but we'll see, certainly not to the level of VGF or even BCV. If one loves it, can afford it (pay cash) and feels it's worth that much more to them; then they should buy there if DVC makes sense otherwise. But the reality is that owning there and using the points a significant % of time elsewhere dilutes the value of owning there and there is a crossover point where owning there isn't reasonable. Remember other than owning a fixed week (which most should buy if buying there) there are no guarantees of a given reservation.

I'm in agreement with you here Dean, the main reason to purchase DVC is to save money and the best comparison to make to see if it does save you money is against rental rates.

If someone wanted to spend half their time at the POLY and the other half somewhere else, a good option is to split the points over two contracts. One at POLY to ensure you get in there at 11 months and one at SSR that you can use to trade at 7 months.

We bought SSR points originally and I've used them to stay at VGF, BLT, AKV, POLY and BCV. Afterwards we bought another contract at BWV to ensure I have a good chance of getting a standard view room. For example for this summer, at 11 months I booked the entire trip at BWV with BWV points. At 7 months I then used my SSR points to book time at VGF and BCV and freed up some of my BWV points.
 
I would argue that an EQUALLY important focus for many buyers is the CONVENIENCE and peace of mind of planning and paying for future vacations.... and while everybody is trying to save money, everybody's goal is not to save the absolute most money possible... especially not at the expense of being constantly inconvenienced and sometimes stressed out and disappointed in order to get the maximum financial value.

People pay for convenience every day in life... Or else you would drive to 10 stores every time you go grocery shopping to get each item as cheap as possible and save the most money. But you don't because it is stressful and inconvenient. Do you drive to the cheapest gas station you can find using gas buddy every day, or just stop by the cheapest one one on your way home because it is more convenient...even if it costs slightly more than another 5 miles away? Convenience has major monetary value and I think you are losing that in your stance.

I am not sure you realize it, but what you just described actually agrees with what I have been saying all along. Yes, convenience has its cost. When you attach convenience to whatever it is that you are buying, you are paying for a markup, which is essentially overpaying. If a bottle of water typically costs $0.50 at your local supermarket and you buy the same one at WDW for $3.00 because you don't want to carry one with you all day, that's overpaying as you are essentially paying $2.50 for that convenience.

Now going back to your steak analogy (more fitting than the grocery and gas analogies) for a moment. Let's say the steak costs $100. And if you buy in bulk, the VIP voucher (PVB) will only cost you $90 while the bargain voucher (SSR) $75. Even with the same restrictions that you have whipped up in your post, I fail to see why you can't just hold on to your VIP vouchers only for the times when you really want a steak. You certainly don't have to order a steak the next 10 times in a row that you patronize that restaurant. For the times that you don't want a steak? Just pay with a credit card (or cash if you prefer) for that chicken ($75), shrimp ($80), or whatever instead. Heck, it may not hurt to have a few of those bargain vouchers to redeem for a steak for the times when you can work around those restrictions with minimal stress and inconvenience. In other words, why buy the VIP voucher when you intend to redeem it for anything but the steak?

To me (and I suspect many DVC owners, too), burning one those VIP vouchers for anything other than a steak is the same as using your PVB points on SSR/OKW/maybe AKV. Is it a good idea? Using PVB points mostly at PVB isn't really being held prisoner to PVB. It just requires more planning on your part to make it work (to your advantage, really). Now if you start talking about how you would rather not deal with the extra work/hassle involved, then I wonder if DVC in general is right for you. In some ways, as Dean pointed out, your desire for convenience and peace of mind sort of goes against the core of timeshares/DVC.

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