It was a miracle!

ITA, except I don't even need God in the equation. All you need when searching for something is a break - when you start searching again it is with much fresher eyes. Sometimes when you've looked and looked in all the same places for something, your brain just stops registering everything it sees - that's when you miss stuff. That prayer was just a break from the search. IMO, anyway.

And I have an interesting non-religious story about finding things through delayed intuition. My mother washed a set of bedsheets at our house once, b/c her washing machine wasn't working (she lives next door). She hung them on our garage line to dry. They stayed there all night. The next morning one was missing. We searched all over the place; no-one could figure out where this one bedsheet had gone! Mum was upset because she liked those sheets! About a week later she got this pressing need to go into the semi-roofed and enclosed orchard of one of our neighbours. She didn't know why, but she went anyway. You have to go through a gate to get in, and there's a fence all the way around. It's somewhere you have to choose to go into - it isn't somewhere where you can just "pass by". Well, Mum went through the gate, and there on the ground was her sheet!

Mum is NOT religious in the least bit, she doesn't believe in the traditional God (though she does think there's something bigger than us out there), and she does not pray. Her brain just worked on the problem for a week, and after it had made all the connections, it realized that there was only one place she hadn't looked. Most people who had prayed about that would have been convinced that it was an answered prayer. Don't discount the ability of our own brains to figure things out subconsciously.

So the brain can cure cancer and other diseases. Things that have nothing to do at all with us until after the fact are related us thinking about it? (something that we can't manipulate) There are some things that happen that can't be attributed to "brain power".
 
I guess it you don't believe in God, if you don't believe God answers prayers, it would be hard to swallow, but if you do, it's useless to think this way.

Bad things happen. There is evil in the world. When I pray, I'm not saying magic words that cast a spell - I just ask God for help. I think all prayers are answered, but they don't always get answered the way we want them to.

Like, if I want a new job, I can't say, "God,get me the new job" so much as I can say"Help me God, show me what I need to do."

I guess I hear ministers say that you can pray for money and stuff these days, but I disagree with them.

I don't know why there is evil in the world - but I do believe God answers prayers. And I really can't tell you the details, but if these papers had been lost, it would have been disaster for someone.
I don't agree with you on too much AP, but with this we see eye to eye. The best I can answer is, along with God, I also believe in Satan. There is most definitely evil in the world. As humans, we don't always see the sense in life and agreed, prayers aren't always answered, and certainly aren't answered in the way we think they should be. To me, it all boils down to faith. Without it, I would be lost.
 
I believe that God has enough grace to help you find your papers AND take care of starving children.

Except he doesn't. There are millions of starving children in the world, but at least the papers have been found.
 
Nobody said it was the stupidest post ever. That is reserved for the guy from Canada who was so pissed off at American smokers that he (and he was serious) threatened to come down here and fart on us. I have yet to see a more stupid post than that.

:lmao:

Stupid yes, but it was as funny then as it is now. :lmao:
 

Except he doesn't. There are millions of starving children in the world, but at least the papers have been found.
This is my point. I DO believe in God. I just don't believe in a God that intervenes for Aunt Polly to find her papers, but lets a little girl be raped and buried alive.

If God thought Aunt Polly's papers were more important than that little girl, I wouldn't want any part of him, his heaven, or any church. IMO, it would be evil to allow that girl to lay in the ground scared and dying, but help out Aunt Polly with her papers. The very idea is warped and disgusting to me.

But, I guess we all have our own idea of God. And we are all free to believe (or not) as we choose.
 
I think it is rude to suggest that God is working on your behalf, but not for others. God is helping you find papers, but not bothering with the mom who prayed while her daughter lay in the ground dying.

I really do not understand why people think that God is helping them, but not others. And I really would like one of these people, just once, to explain WHY they think God helped them out, but doesn't help other people.

I think that if God were going to step in, it wouldn't be to find papers. It would be to stop a child from being raped and buried alive. Or to end the suffering of very sick people, people in pain, being tortured, starving to death, etc.

It is a slap in the face to people who had to suffer through so much worse to say, "God helps me. He performs miracles for me." Especially when people say it is because of their great relationship with God. Like God loves them more. :faint:

But, nobody ever answers the question of why they think God steps in for them, and leaves children to be buried alive. Nor do they ever answer the question of why they would want to love a God who finds paperwork, but lets children be raped and murdered.

Aunt Polly, I'm sorry if you were offended. I wasn't trying to say you aren't special. Of course you are. I have asked a million times on the DIS why people believe that God singles them out to receive miracles and lets others suffer much more horrid fates. You've been on some of those threads.

And I promise that when someone gives me an answer that makes sense (not the old "I have a great relationship with Him"), I'll stop asking.

HAs anyone here ever really answered "because of the great relationship I have with Him"? Not that I have ever read. I don't know of one single Christian who would answer with such an inappropriate answer. I think most Christians realize God loves us all whether we believe in Him or not. (John 3:16) I may have a relationship with Him and my sister (for instance) does not, but that would never make me think or say such a weird thing.

And, like others have said, we don't know why God may sometimes choose to intervene and sometimes not. But I can tell you this, He has intervened for me in big and small things and He has also chosen not to intervene in some big and small things in my life. I'm guessing that God intervenes in everyone's life at different times. May or may not be when they wanted him to. I disagree with you when you tell people that you wonder "why they are special to God and others are not". We're all special to Him. Christ's death and resurrection are how we know it.

Usually, I have been recently taught this, there are 3 scenerios with trials. One, we are threatened with troubles and we are spared and our faith is built. Two, we are not spared but go through the hardship, and can have God with us every step of the way, and our faith is refined. Or three, we are threatened with trouble, go through the trouble and are not spared and die. Then, our faith is made complete because as Christians, we are then with God.
Death eventually comes to all of us. Bad things happen to everyone--whether you are a Christian, a Jew, a Buddist or atheist. (etc.) It is life. We have little contol over many things. We could feed the hungry,if we cared enough. We could help our neighbor,if we cared enough. We can' make the bad guys do the right thing and I wish we could. I wish God would intervene in many situations I read and hear about today. I wonder why He doesn't. I have no answers for you or myself in those cases.
 
Usually, I have been recently taught this, there are 3 scenerios with trials. One, we are threatened with troubles and we are spared and our faith is built. Two, we are not spared but go through the hardship, and can have God with us every step of the way, and our faith is refined. Or three, we are threatened with trouble, go through the trouble and are not spared and die. Then, our faith is made complete because as Christians, we are then with God.

Really covered all the bases there, huh? Can't lose anyway you look at it. Isn't that conveeeenient?

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Oh and as for the 3 scenerios. I realize someone will say, "How convenient. Another win, win, win situation no matter what happens." And yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe, that, as a matter of fact, is how God works. Allowing us to have victory in whatever the situation is. :)
 
Really covered all the bases there, huh? Can't lose anyway you look at it. Isn't that conveeeenient?

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:rotfl: Well, you were quicker than I thought! I think you'll have to think what you want about Chrisitians and God and the life of faith. It really is something you have to experience to "get". No number of posts will make you see what it is to have that relationship with Him. No words, nothing unless you actually encounter Him for yourself. This would just go back and forth, on and on. Think me a fool. I am fine with it. :)
 
I'm very glad you found your missing important papers.

When things go missing in my house, we simply say "Grandma, Put them back!" within a few minutes of saying that, we'll go back to where we think they should be, and look again. Most of the time, they're right there, under something... Did my mischevious grandma put them back? (she's been dead since 1984, and she's been cantankerous ever since :laughing: ) Or did my guardian angel intervene? I'm not sure, but whatever helps... helps.

This goes down as one of my favorite DIS posts ever. :) What a cute story.

I talk to my dead mom and dad constantly, and usually have the same results as you do when you talk to your grandma. Haven't a clue as to how it works, but I most certainly believe in guardian angels. Sometimes I think they are able to intervene - they can be the go-between between me and God. :p Then again, I'm a Catholic girl raised to pray to saints to intervene, so I guess it goes with the territory.

Oh, and for the person who is going to come along and tlel me I'm stupid, have at it. I think its funny when strangers on internet boards call each other stupid...no skin off my back whatseover. I believe what I believe and what you believe has no impact whatsoever on me.
 
:rotfl: No number of posts will make you see what it is to have that relationship with Him. No words, nothing unless you actually encounter Him for yourself.

and no number of posts will make me believe that you are talking about anything but time unfurling as it would, with or without your belief in anything.
 
and no number of posts will make me believe that you are talking about anything but time unfurling as it would, with or without your belief in anything.

Right. I agree. There isn't anything except God who could make you believe anything I or anyone else here says about our experiences with Him. Sure life happens either way, not asying it doesn't. It is just a whole lot different when life happens when you have a relationship with God. I've done it both ways. And done it with a closer walk with Him and one that wasn't so close and that is different too.
Different strokes for different folks. :cool1: I'm just glad we all get a chance to choose for ourselves!
 
HAs anyone here ever really answered "because of the great relationship I have with Him"?
Yup. And not just here, in real life, too. My very bestest friend for 28 years told me about 17 years ago (when DH and I were struggling hard and she and her Navy DH weren't so much) that her life was better than mine because she had a better relationship with God. Now she says she's sorry and How did I put up with her, lol.
Not that I have ever read. I don't know of one single Christian who would answer with such an inappropriate answer. I think most Christians realize God loves us all whether we believe in Him or not. (John 3:16)
I hope so. I believe that, anyway. God loves us all. Which is why I think if he were going to intervene, he'd do it for little girls who were buried alive, too. Since he doesn't, I have to figure he isn't intervening. That's my understanding anyway.
I may have a relationship with Him and my sister (for instance) does not, but that would never make me think or say such a weird thing.

And, like others have said, we don't know why God may sometimes choose to intervene and sometimes not. But I can tell you this, He has intervened for me in big and small things and He has also chosen not to intervene in some big and small things in my life. I'm guessing that God intervenes in everyone's life at different times. May or may not be when they wanted him to. I disagree with you when you tell people that you wonder "why they are special to God and others are not". We're all special to Him.
If we're all special, why does he find Aunt Polly's papers, but not help the girl who was buried alive?! That's the part I cannot reconcile. That's the part where I go, "No way. No way he'd favor Aunt Polly like that."
Christ's death and resurrection are how we know it.

Usually, I have been recently taught this, there are 3 scenerios with trials. One, we are threatened with troubles and we are spared and our faith is built. Two, we are not spared but go through the hardship, and can have God with us every step of the way, and our faith is refined. Or three, we are threatened with trouble, go through the trouble and are not spared and die. Then, our faith is made complete because as Christians, we are then with God.
Death eventually comes to all of us. Bad things happen to everyone--whether you are a Christian, a Jew, a Buddist or atheist. (etc.) It is life. We have little contol over many things. We could feed the hungry,if we cared enough. We could help our neighbor,if we cared enough. We can' make the bad guys do the right thing and I wish we could. I wish God would intervene in many situations I read and hear about today. I wonder why He doesn't. I have no answers for you or myself in those cases.
I don't think people are stupid for believing what they believe. Maybe someday I'll change my mind (lol, it has happened before), but I doubt it.

If God were going around finding papers, but letting children be raped, I'd think he was pretty wicked. That's my take. But (and I've said this about a gazillion times on the DIS), I wholeheartedly support other people's rights to believe what they believe. Everyone has to find their own way. I just think I'm right! ;) :)
 
Nice post, OP.

I do believe God answers prayers. Not the way we may want or expect, but he answers prayers.

My biggest prayer story happened about five years ago. DH had had a vasectomy 2 years previous in 2000, and I had regretted it and prayed that God would allow me to have another baby (with my DH ;) ). I found out that I was, indeed, expecting in April of 2002. We were both overjoyed.

In July we discovered that we were having another little girl. She was "waving" at us in the ultrasound.:goodvibes Then on August 14th, at a routine 20 week checkup, we discovered that our little prayed for baby had died. I had labor induced and she was delivered on August 16, 2002.

I cannot begin even to describe the anguish of losing her. It literally was, and still is, a physical pain. But, my DH and I also had to deal with the very real mental/emotional pain of feeling,at first, that God had betrayed us. After some time and soul searching, we accepted that even though we lost her, her short time with us, both before and after she was born, had touched our lives. Now, I'm not saying that we were blessed to have lost her, but we were blessed in different ways for having had her, even as briefly as we did.

So God did answer my prayer in that He allowed me to have another baby, but He didn't allow me to keep her. Now, I know critics will say that sounds like a cruel joke on the part of God. I don't see it that way. I see it as God answering my prayer as He saw He needed to rather than the way I wanted him to.

Naturally, I would have preferred that God let me keep her here for awhile. But, that was not in His plans. I believe that He did that for both reasons that I believe and ones that I don't yet even know.

Seven months after I lost Gabrielle, I became pregnant with Olivia, and despite a few scares, she was born healthy on Nov 25, 2003. So ultimately, in His own time, He did answer my prayer the way I had hoped.

Sorry so long and I obviously know that it won't be considered a miracle, an answered prayer, or anything related to God by some.

If you read this far, I congratulate you on your persistence!! :rotfl:
 
This goes down as one of my favorite DIS posts ever. :) What a cute story.

I talk to my dead mom and dad constantly, and usually have the same results as you do when you talk to your grandma. Haven't a clue as to how it works, but I most certainly believe in guardian angels. Sometimes I think they are able to intervene - they can be the go-between between me and God. :p Then again, I'm a Catholic girl raised to pray to saints to intervene, so I guess it goes with the territory.

Oh, and for the person who is going to come along and tlel me I'm stupid, have at it. I think its funny when strangers on internet boards call each other stupid...no skin off my back whatseover. I believe what I believe and what you believe has no impact whatsoever on me.

Thanks. Same goes for any time I find a penny. I pick it up and thank my dad. It was his sign for me that he would be thinking about me from beyond. And any time I see a butterfly I say hello because I know that's him. *shrug* I believe in Angels, not necessarily the saints, as I wasn't raised Catholic, but I've seen somce VERY interesting things in my life that I can't begin to explain. I do believe that we have emmisarys between us and the heavens... who are they? What are they? I don't know, and I don't attempt to guess.. I'm just happy they're there. :):love:
 
My sister died when she was 7 years old. She was my parents first born, and died 4 years before I came along, so I never had the pleasure of meeting her. That was over 50 years ago and to this day, my Dad cannot talk about my sister without welling up and while my Mom is better about it, she will tell you that there is nothing in this world worse than losing a child, particularly one so young.

I can pretty much bet that Mom and Dad spent a considerable amount of time wondering what kind of God would take their little girl away, but I'll also say that they have a tremenous amount of faith and have taught us to have the same.

Mom prays for those little lost things ALL the time, and when they turn up, she believes that my sister intervened to help her. That's how Mom explained it to me when I was a little girl, and I still believe it now. Our family needed a guardian angel, and God picked my sister. She's seen us through many medical issues - the big one being my brother's Muscular Dystrophy, which strangely just disappeared one day when he was 6 or so (even the doctors called it a miracle). But there's also been Dad's two quadruple bypass surgeries, Mom's heart disease - discovered two years ago, not curable through bypass - where she was given months to live, and many personal situations including the random lost item.

Suffering children is not in the same ballpark as losing papers, no doubt about it. I'd trade the zillion things I've "found" to have met and known my sister. I'd do the same to take away the pain and suffering she endured in her short life while they were testing "cures" on her (no chemotherapy back then). But knowing she's up there pulling for us when the chips are down - that's priceless. I believe THAT was God's plan for us.
 
This thread reminds me of an old joke:

Whenever an athlete wins, he thanks God. But just once, I'd like to hear the losing team get up there and say "Well we would have won, but God hates our team."
 
Right. I agree. There isn't anything except God who could make you believe anything I or anyone else here says about our experiences with Him. Sure life happens either way, not asying it doesn't. It is just a whole lot different when life happens when you have a relationship with God. I've done it both ways. And done it with a closer walk with Him and one that wasn't so close and that is different too.
Different strokes for different folks. :cool1: I'm just glad we all get a chance to choose for ourselves!

God can make people believe stuff?:confused3

As an atheist, i'd be checking myself into a hospital...
 


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