It Looks Like the Death Numbers are Being Inflated

[Jrb1979]

Well, I would try to reign that “part” of you in a bit. There are plenty of ways to amplify fear without bogus numbers. You run the risk of being deemed irrelevant, just like CNN has become.

I am not running in fear of this. I take all the precautions I can but I also know what this virus does to people. Its why I don't want to rush to get places like Disney open so quick. I am fine with small businesses, restaurants, malls things on that level for now.

 

[Allison]

I heard from this guy who heard from this guy who heard from this person. Baloney.

 

[Heather07438]

Death numbers are challenging in the best circumstances.

Remember Hurricane Maria's toll in Puerto Rico being debated?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Maria_death_toll_controversy
What standardization should be devised to provide more accurate comparison?
Confirmed cases, likely cases, partial cause cases, excessive deaths, etc and that's just the beginning. As layman, most of us immediately see a few points to question. Needs more clarification.

 

[chicagoshannon]

I don’t know about inflated or if it makes much of a difference if any, but I have read that if a person has Covid-19 it’s added to those numbers even if it wasn’t the primary cause.

Yes. Dr. Birx herself said this. They are counting anyone with a + test as dying OF Covid whether or not it was the cause.

 

[ShirikiUtundu]

I heard from this guy who heard from this guy who heard from this person. Baloney.

No, I have it on good authority that the original post is true.
The two people in question were this set of twins I knew from high school, Orangejello and Lemonjello.

 

[ShirikiUtundu]

Also, Covid-19 would never be listed as the immediate cause of death on a certificate. It would be listed in the underlying conditions. The virus doesn't kill you - the complications are what kill you.

 

[YeOswaldianSociety]

I hear this 'numbers being inflated' argument being spoken about on Mark Levin every day he broadcasts and I'm sure others of his ilk are arguing the same thing to prove a point for their side of the argument. Thing is, the way it's presented is that his team is taking a beating on other fronts and he needs ammo to bring things back to his side of the fence and this is what he's chosen as ammunition to fight his battle with. Perhaps someday we'll see that the numbers are indeed being inflated but now certainly seems like the wrong time to take this argument up.

 

[kelpricer]

It seems there has become a big, fat political line that separates the belief system of this. Lying about deaths= 1 political party. Believe the death count= another political party. Not based on comments on here, based on the constant posts I’m seeing the last few days on Facebook. It’s really sad

 

[halfpintpeggy]

Yes. Dr. Birx herself said this. They are counting anyone with a + test as dying OF Covid whether or not it was the cause.

Yes she did. And now many areas are including “presumptive” cases among the COVID death rates as well.

 

[SamFaniam]

Yes. Dr. Birx herself said this. They are counting anyone with a + test as dying OF Covid whether or not it was the cause.

Yes she did. And now many areas are including “presumptive” cases among the COVID death rates as well.

Again-

She is very clear about what she means by this. When people have been hospitalized with COVID-19 and have some other underlying conditions, COVID-19 is the acute cause of their death. Their heart disease, kidney disease, cancer etc. may be the long-term cause, but the acute, immediate cause of their death is COVID-19. That’s why those are being counted.

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

I hear this 'numbers being inflated' argument being spoken about on Mark Levin every day he broadcasts and I'm sure others of his ilk are arguing the same thing to prove a point for their side of the argument. Thing is, the way it's presented is that his team is taking a beating on other fronts and he needs ammo to bring things back to his side of the fence and this is what he's chosen as ammunition to fight his battle with. Perhaps someday we'll see that the numbers are indeed being inflated but now certainly seems like the wrong time to take this argument up.

Mark Levin and his ilk are more concerned about their stocks than anything else. Sadly, they manipulate the uneducated masses into taking up their fight, hence the anti social distancing protesters across the country.

 

[DisLiss]

It seems there has become a big, fat political line that separates the belief system of this. Lying about deaths= 1 political party. Believe the death count= another political party. Not based on comments on here, based on the constant posts I’m seeing the last few days on Facebook. It’s really sad

Nearly every topic if any importance is like that in the US. It's why I hate that for all intents & purposes we are a 2 party system. We're always going to be locked in the useless fight of us vs them. The saying United We Stand, Divided We Fall has some truth to it, but we continue to opt to have this major division that puts citizens in the middle of the game board as pawns to be batted around by politicians.

 

[Hikergirl]

Some of you seem to know so much about Mark Levin, his "ilk" and his uneducated followers.
Since you know so much, which of the above category do you fit in?

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

Some of you seem to know so much about Mark Levin, his "ilk" and his uneducated followers.
Since you know so much, which of the above category do you fit in?

That would be educated, and working with the public to know that this situation is far from over. Why anyone would be a follower of anyone is beyond me.

So what is it you like about him? The whiny nasally voice?

 

[tcufrog]

I haven’t read this entire thread, but am not dismissing what the OP said. There are states that actually receive more federal aid for every COVID death. You can look it up. If there’s 1 thing I know, there are some who will always milk the system...

We do not have a lot of deaths in our county but I know of 2, that in the paper they said that their deaths were NOT related to Covid but they were included in the death toll. These 2 were both over 80

If you are going to make such claims you should cite where you found the information so we can judge the veracity of the claims and sources for ourselves.

 

[rigs32]

If you have heart disease and get into a car accident and die because your heart wasn't strong enough to withstand the trauma, you died from the car accident.

 

[cabanafrau]

If you have heart disease and get into a car accident and die because your heart wasn't strong enough to withstand the trauma, you died from the car accident.

Accepting that in your hypothesis the trauma of the car accident was indeed the triggering event for a cardiac arrest in this case it's actually still cause of death cardiac arrest and manner of death is accidental -- or possibly homicide depending on the particular circumstances of the car accident.

Just trying to keep things clear for people to have an understanding of how it works. Cause of death relates to the actual system of the body that failed resulting in death. Manner of death is the legal determination by a medical examiner (an MD who is certified in the specialty of pathology) as to the trigger that set off the cause of death. The manners of death are natural causes (i.e. cancer, hypertension), homicide, suicide, accidental (i.e. falling down stairs or car crash) and also sometimes undetermined.

 

[mnrose]

If you are going to make such claims you should cite where you found the information so we can judge the veracity of the claims and sources for ourselves.

Just a guess. Hearsay. There will be no actual newspaper article which says this, or if there is, it will be an article based on "so and so HEARD from a reliable source that...." Guaranteed. No doctor is going to admit to falsifying a death record, nor will any coroner. It's a crime. Ergo, there is no proof. But, it's a fun thing to throw around on a message board, which will get repeated, and pretty soon be treated as "proof" by a lot of gullible people or people who want to see conspiracy theories everywhere.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Dunno, I've just spent the past 4 years being shouted at from both sides that everything I see and hear is a lie so now what are we all supposed to believe? Like seriously, what am I supposed to do with any of it? When I can see the REAL death rate by age and can look to see what is indisputable (suddenly 20% more elderly passed between March and May) THEN I will have an opinion. Until then I'm not digging someone else's prechewed ideas, just nope.

Last Sept in my hometown - I saw 4 protesters on 4 corners of a busy intersection dressed up in weird village people archetype like costumes (cowboy with a hat, middle age dad, elderly lady and disgruntled millennial) Now, I have absolutely zero idea what they were protesting because I was too busy laughing at the show which I would have loved had they actually done YMCA. I think the whole world has become a weird production, trying to sway us one way or the other, some believe if it reinforces their point of view but I suspect most of us just wander around feeling like we are in the Twilight Zone. I can SEE the crazy on film but I never actually brush up against any of these people in my real world so I have come to sort of see the whole mess like an audience participation show where they are trying to get me up on stage

 

[YeOswaldianSociety]

Some of you seem to know so much about Mark Levin, his "ilk" and his uneducated followers.
Since you know so much, which of the above category do you fit in?

I don’t think they or he is uneducated at all and I enjoy his programming for what it is. I’m just a simple socialist with no understanding of the constitution, I’m sorry I offended. Good day,