It is a shame!!!

[DeeP]

I do not normally visit this board much even though I am a DVC owner because I do not care for all the DVC bashing that goes on here against DVC home resorts that are not that posters home resort. BWV seems to get the brunt of the bashing for whatever reason, I can not even imagine. As a DVC owner with my home resort at BWV, I have and have always found since I first discovered DIS in 1999, this continuous bashing of BWV very tiresome, offending, and stupid. That is why I have avoided this board for the vast majority of the many hours and posts I spend/or have made on DIS in the past almost 3 years. However, within the past couple of days, I checked this board for any new DVC news and then while I usually go to another board, because as previously stated the atmosphere here is too much conflict for me, this time I responded to yet again, another BWV bashing, defending my DVC home. Consequently, I have spent some time on this board in the past 2 days.

I just recently read a post titled: "OKW vs BWV vs VWL vs BCV any one stay at all 4"

What is such a shame is that this post is from a DVC owner with her home resort at BWV and because of all the stupid, petty BWV bashing that takes place on this board, this DVC owner is starting to second guess staying in her home resort for the FIRST time!
This is really a shame! To make a new DVC owner not be excited about their first stay in their home resort and to doubt their choice is so sad! This should be a happy, can't wait to get there time, not a did I make the right choice, what should I do time. It is really very sad and a shame that what should be a joyous occasion has turned into a anxiety ridden occasion. How dare anyone take the joy and excitement of a new DVC owner's FIRST stay at their home resort away from them?

Every post that I have read bashing another DVC property always seems to be started by a OKW owner and this is going back in the almost 3 years I have been reading DIS. This is not friendly rivarly, this is a disgrace!!!!

Now go ahead, bash me, flame me all you want. But it is still a shame and very sad and not what DVC is supposed to be all about!

 

[CaptainMidnight]

I agree, it's absurd, and very tiresome. And it seems to point back to the same people, posting the same bias garbage, that is only designed to provoke an aurgument, or some other twisted purpose. But, the more these problems are pointed out, the more some posters seem wrongly encouraged. My understanding is that moderators have made some efforts to contact and ask for behavioral change. I applaud them on those efforts.

I hate to hear that it has caused you the level of disslike to the point where you don't visit these boards. I am also concerned and disappointed by this continuing trend.

Another unpleasant trend I see by some posters is to include rude comments and innappropriate language in thier signature lines. It is unnecessary, and inconsiderate.

I would like to see both practices stopped and a new level of common courtesy and mutal respect adopted, (and I apply those standards to myself, I have slipped on occasion).

My hats off to you for standing up and making your dissatisfaction with the recent practices known. You are certainly not alone in your view.

I hope you'll return to visiting more often, and not let the innappropriate conduct by a couple of posters keep you from enjoying the wonderful advice and sense of DVC community offerred by the majority. Perhaps if more people speak up, the message will finally get through.

 

[wdwendyd]

I do not like the bashing either. I think it is meant to be funny but it isn't.
Let's all take a pledge to be kind and courteous and NO BASHING! (This will be easy for me because I love ALL the DVC resorts!)

 

[nydizfan]

me thinks that you are taking all this STUFF way too seriously.(sp) . Why bother defending your resort. You say its Stupid and if it is ... dont respond....And if you want to respond .. well get ready for the answer. thats just the way it is here. Some love OKW... me too... Some love BW. Sure you may not love my resort and I may not love yours .... but to call some of us STUPID well that is a DISGRACE... sorry dave

 

[CaptainMidnight]

nydizfan,
I think your missing the point. It's not about the resorts as much as it is about the trend of a lack of common courtesy, mutual respect. This is a call for a higher standard. Agreed that you don't have to get down in the gutter with those in it through thier inappropriate language in signatures and constantly aurgumentative posts, but the constant presentation of those is not needed here either.

We have every right to raise the concern and collectively let those offenders know it is not appreciated and we would like it stopped. Wait, I'll change that to "I" and just speak for myself.

The use of the word "stupid" as I read it clearly referred to the behavior, not the persons. And, my opinion is that the behavior is stupid. Persons displaying that behavior can easily stop, now that they are aware that there is a call to do so. If not, there is obviously a bigger problem beyond the scope of these boards to address.

 

[DebbieB]

I'm all for a lively discussion of likes and dislikes of different resorts. But cut the sarcasm and exaggerations and stick to the facts. Sarcastic remarks are frequently posted strictly to enflame others. For example, someone posted that BCV was built to correct all the mistakes of BWV. Then the next poster agreed. Then I said what mistakes are you referring to? The next 2 posts were "we weren't serious". Putting a doesn't excuse the original intent.

I know we shouldn't take this all so seriously, we know there are certain people who love to start arguments and keep them going. But sometimes it's hard to ignore. I wish I had a $1 for everytime I started to post something in response (on this board and others) and then changed my mind thinking I'm not go to give them what they want (which is to get people riled up).

 

[JonHM]

Nydizfan, I agree, I think you're missing the point. It is NOT about BWV vs. OKW and saying that someone likes one better than the other. I know what bothers me is when it starts to sound like little kids on a playground screaming at each other that their Dad can beat up the other kid's Dad.

Now, to be honest, it's not all THAT much of the time that it degrades to that level. To DeeP, I would urge you to try spending more time over here and speak out when you see something that you don't like. The same thing bothers me, but really, it hasn't been happening much at all recently until the past couple of days. The old resort wars somehow got launched again in the past 5 days or so, in a thread that wasn't even intended to be a resort vs. resort thread. I believe it was a thread asking about the points for a Grand Villa at Boardwalk vs. the points for a Grand Villa at OKW, a simple question that degraded into the old schoolyard scrum.

To be honest, I used to think that those types of arguments were always started by the diehard OKW contingent, but I have seen various occasions (including the most recent one, I believe) now where the reverse was true. I think that the 'BWV defenders' who start such arguments, however, are just playing into the hands of those who want the resort wars to come back. Then the old resort war veterans play innocent, because they didn't start it, but at that point they jump in full force, and can often get nasty.

I think we have to eliminate the blame portion of this : I don't think it's relevant or accurate to say that people on one side or the other are more or less guilty in the mudslinging: The mudslinging itself should stop no matter who it is that's throwing it.

Now, when these threads arise, clearly, there ARE some posters who are extremely lighthearted and funny in their 'attacks' on the other resorts. But for every poster that's lighthearted and funny, there are *at least* one that are meanspirited and nasty in their approach. If we can't be civil to each other having these kinds of discussions, then maybe we shouldn't have them at all.

 

[nydizfan]

Capt and jonHM: I stand corrected. After reading Deep's post, I have seen where I misunderstood some points. thanks dave

 

[CaptainMidnight]

nydizfan,
Nice post, thanks for sharing.

JonHM,

But for every poster that's lighthearted and funny, there are *at least* one that are meanspirited and nasty in their approach. If we can't be civil to each other having these kinds of discussions, then maybe we shouldn't have them at all.

Agreed.

Excellent point, thank you for sharing it.

 

[crisi]

I'm a newbie here, but I want to share my experience.

There are a lot of people who drive by this board (like me) while trying to decide whether to buy DVC or not. This is a huge decision and - as I've posted before - this is not the place to come if you want to be talked out of it! Which is fine, I think being a DVC booster is great.

But when people spend time sniping at resorts, newbies don't get the in jokes. They don't understand Richyams facination with OKW is just him. They may feel that they need to get into OKW through a resale - when they are really VWL type people, or (oh, my) BWV people. They may end up in a resort they aren't happy with, or spend their time regretting not getting into a resort they have never stayed at because it is so much better.

I'll disagree with the OP - if you hang around for a while you learn that there are plenty of BWV admirerers (The recent "trade resorts" thread had a lot of BWV fans), but you have to be persistant, and you have to learn the personalities. And someone anxious to buy their contract may not figure that out before they spend $10k or more.

One of the pieces of advice that is often given is go down and look before you buy. This is decent advice - but not everyone has the time or money to get to Orlando to look at real estate. They trust (like I do) that all the Disney resorts are going to be done with Disney quality, and then evaluate them from paper based on the atmosphere described by people on boards like this.

Do the newbies a favor and read your posts before you hit submit asking yourself "if this were the first thread I'd read about DVC, what am I thinking"

 

[Muushka]

The sad thing is that all of these comments made in "fun"
may in fact, devalue a resort ($). I look at the rent/trade board and notice people who are not even DVC owners or ever stayed at any DVC have an opinin as to where and why they want to rent points at a certain DVC location.

As an owner at the red-headed stepchild VWL (which, according to these boards, has a lousy location AND teeny-tiny rooms), well it is getting very tiresome.

Now when I read the comments, I just say

I HEAR CLICKING NOISES

and hope that they will stop.

Just wondering why people are so insecure about their purchases that they need to put other DVC locations down?

 

[Joeblack]

DeeP:

I totally agree with you. I have posted a couple of times complaining about this...especially when I read the same boring posts about the "tiny" rooms at BWV or WLV, or the marathon to get to your room, or the spooky clown waterslide, etc. I don't see the point in bringing BWV down unless a poster has a bad case of "sour grapes."

Some may say that those factors are objective......but actually..they aren't. Size is a bit smaller than OKW, but it is more than adequate and way larger than any deluxe hotel in the world....I have stayed at the farthest wing in the BWV and actually enjoyed the 1 minute marathon...... The clown slide...I find it to be the best slide in a resort pool and love the themeing.

I stayed at OKW and loved it there. There were pros and cons compared to any other DVC resort, but I felt a member of OKW all the same.


To the poster who was having doubts about staying at the BW...well, all I can say is..you will be blown away once you stay there.

 

[fireplug]

I can see telling everyone if you had an issue on your stay. That is why I visit here , to get different views and or ideas. But while each person is entitled to their opinion no one should find fault with the things other people like or dislike. If we all liked the same sort of things all the DVC resort would be identical. I think we all could be understanding of others and try to be more cordial if someone has a different viewpoint.

Steve

 

[Tinker Bell]

I think this is a good discussion to have as I think is important for people to see how different people have different reactions to the tone and style of posters. FOR ME, BWV is the unequivocal best choice. I am always happy to tell people why it’s a good fit for me. At the same time, the boosters for other resorts have never offended me. If I see a one sided discussion, I may chime in but I don't see the need to rebut every comment all the time.

I don't share the view that people that aggressively opine about the relative merits of their favorite DVC resort need to be reined in or otherwise sanctioned. At the same time, we are a community and I think it is entirely appropriate for people to speak up when they think someone has crossed the line.

 

[CaptDave]

(first post from a lurker who finally decided it was time to get involved)

I own in BWV, VWL and now BCV, and I prefer BWV because of the location. I like being able to walk to MGM and Epcot, which are the two parks we frequent. I find the buses reasonably reliable for the ocassioanl MK and AK visits, and the magic on demand system has made them even more effective. On the other hand, I will not stay at OKW again. After 2 stays, I have decided that the transportation system there is unacceptable.

I'm not saying this to start up the "OKW vs BWV" or the "Why don't you drive if you have a car?" debates. I'm saying it because that's the way it is. I have canceled spur of the moment trips to WDW rather than stay at OKW again.

I've given up trying to defend my position on this issue, just like I've stopped apologizing for being a Florida resident with all the resident discounts that all DVC members think they should get.

I'm glad we're passionate about our home resorts and our memberships, but we're past flogging a dead horse - we've flogged through the horse, into the ground and will be hitting China any time.

It's time to concentrate on how to best utilize the resorts and the parks, and to show a unified front, not only for new/potential DVC members, but for our own sake. If we don't like something at DVC, we can't convince anyone at DVC hq to act - we're balkanized over this sort of minor thing.

 

[^^^ SnowBunny ^^^]

If you want to see some REAL bashing? Just hop over to the Resorts Board and look up some posts on AS v. Mod's etc., ....... this is small potatoes compared to some of the heated arguments over there!

 

[ripleysmom]

Great post DeeP!! I rarely post anything regarding the resort wars because I can't speak to them. I have only stayed at BWV and loved it. Hopefully I will get to try all of the resorts at one time or another.

Capt. Midnight if you don't like the signatures you are looking at then perhaps you should shut them off. That can be done.

 

[HeatherPage]

Dee,
the post you are referring to is mine, but this will be my second time staying at BWV (the first time was in 1999 with my mom for 4 days) but this will be my husband's and baby's first time. I loved it but it was such a short stay that I didn't get to experience enough of it to make a decision re: the other resorts. To me I think you need a good week to really get a feel for the place. I do enjoy the BW but for me there seems to be so many choices to stay that my head is/was spinning. Your post to my reply though convinced me to stay at BW again - thank you! I hope I haven't been the cause for you being upset. I really don't think any "bashing" goes on here, I think that some people are just really passionate about where they own. But I do plan on trying all the DVC resorts at WDW before 2042

 

[akghutton]

I agree that all of the resort bashing is very tiresome. In the wake of 9/11, doesn't this bickering over something so "meaningless" in the scheme of things seem petty and pathetic? We should all consider overselves lucky and try to find more productive things to do with our time than try to incite arguements.

 

[Jen D]

I lurk and occasionally post because I am considering buying into DVC. I've read all these threads, including the most recent grand villa thread, and to be honest, I do find the "resort wars" very funny and don't take them particularly seriously. I think most posters-- and prospective buyers-- are capable of determining the serious remarks (you may not like OKW because there is no pool slide) from the not-so-serious (you may not like OKW because it is full of folks so feeble they can't handle a walk to the car ). I guess I might feel differently if I were an owner, but I doubt it. I take the rivalry about as seriously as I would take a rivalry between two college fraternities; which is to say, not very seriously. Especially since the arguments are about resorts that are, face it, pretty similar in a lot of ways.