Is this worth pursuing further? (Probably not) Incident on a Southwest Flight

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As I am writing this, I think I have come to the conclusion that there is really nothing more that can be done. But I will continue as a vent anyway...

On a recent flight - my one and only experience with Southwest - I witnessed what I believed to be a couple of concerning safety violations - an open overhead bin and an unbelted flight attendant during take-off. Here's what happened:

I was seated within the first few rows of the cabin. The crew was hurrying everyone along to get seated because we needed to "get out ahead of the storm" - or at least that's what they kept announcing over the speakers. Once everyone was finally seated, we taxied rather quickly to the runway and within a few short minutes we were barreling down the runway for takeoff. However, in the rush, the flight attendants neglected to close the very front overhead bin. As we are seconds from take-off, I couldn't take my eyes off of the open bin. I kept thinking that if we banked hard, the suitcases could fall out and injure one of the passengers seated below. I wasn't the only one eyeing this open bin.

Just as we are lifting off, one of the flight attendants in the front of the plane finally noticed the open bin. She unbuckled herself and managed to close the bin as the plane was taking off. (More power to her for not falling during this...I appreciate her putting her own safety aside for the benefit of the passengers). But happened next that made me wonder. She returned to her seat and didn't bother to buckle back in - she just sat there with her arms folded across her lap, bracing herself with her feet until we were no longer climbing at a sharp angle. Now, I will admit that I have no idea what the rules and regulations are for flight attendants. So it is entirely possible that there was no reason for her to buckle back in. But it struck me as strange. I always figured that the flight attendants had all the extra harnessing to wear during take off and landing so that if something bad happened, they would be least likely to get hurt and therefore be available to assist others. By not buckling in during takeoff, I would think that if the plane had to bank sharply or make another sudden maneuver that she would become a projectile - injuring herself and possibly others.

I voiced my concern about the bin being left ajar and the unbuckled flight attendant via Southwest's website. The first email I received said that they were investigating the situation further and that they would be contacting me for more information regarding the incident. But then I heard nothing else until today. The email they sent me read, in part:

"Based upon information provided by the Flight Attendants serving Flight #2390, an overhead bin did indeed pop open shortly after takeoff from HOU. In the best interest of Passenger Safety, one of the Flight Attendants stood up to close the bin, and then returned to her jumpseat in the forward galley.

The Flight Attendants further reported that all safety protocols were followed throughout this event, and for the remainder of the flight as well. Nonetheless, please accept our apologies if you witnessed any activity onboard Flight #2390 that made you feel unsafe, or apprehensive about the Safety of others. Your comments have been taken to heart, and will be included in our monthly summary, which is distributed to Senior Leadership."

I am now incredibly annoyed because they lied. The bin didn't pop open; they never bothered to close it in the first place. I realize at this point that there is nothing to be gained by pursuing this. I don't plan to fly Southwest again (this incident has pretty much nothing to do with that decision) and I don't expect the crew to suddenly change their story. I would have liked the opportunity to speak directly with someone from Southwest about the incident. Or it would have been nice if the email they sent me was something I could reply to. But no - it was a "no-reply" email address and the email was signed with a first name only.

Thanks for letting me vent.
 
Thanks for bringing this to the boards. Personally, I think it was just human error, and the FA reacted as soon as the bin closure error was noticed. They likely felt they checked everything, but sometimes it gets missed. If this happens again, just hit the call button, get the FA's attention, and point to the open bin (since you were in front). If it is a safety or medical issue, they will respond.

In regards to rebuckling herself, I would trust the FA's judgement as to whether the more dangerous part of the flight has passed. No harm, no foul, and the only one to be injured should the FA get tossed was her.

Overall within the grand scheme of flying, this is important to notice and address in the moment, but I don't think warrants more follow-up than you've provided.

Good job notifying the airline, as that was the best thing you could do.
 
What is your goal? Do you want an employee fired or suspended? I guess you can file a complaint with the DOT (FAA?)

A flight attendant noticed the open bin. She assumed it must have popped open. She got up and closed it before take off. I suspect the flight attendant who was responsible for checking the bin didn't realize it was open. If she knew it was open she would have closed it. Do you really think a FA walked past an open bin and made a conscious decision to leave it open during take off?

A mistake was made. You brought it to the attention of WN. Hopefully the FA will be more observant in the future.

I agree with the PP. In that circumstance I would have either gotten up and closed the bin, used the call button or just spoken up.

I know you're venting but your email served its purpose. WN investigated. OK the FAs memory doesn't match yours...I think you're right but that doesn't mean anyone is lying.
 
I think it's good that you wrote them, too.

And you KNOW that it's been brought to the attention of the flight crew, and that at least one discussion has been had about it. You aren't entitled to know the full detail of what happened during that discussion, and honestly I think they gave you a ton more than they ought to have done! I know when I worked CS, if someone complained about something, they were going to get a thank you and would never know a single detail of the conversations that ensued; it just wasn't their business. So I'd take what they gave you and be happy about it.

And I'm sure you know that sometimes what one person knows to be the truth is different from what another person knows to be the truth. You know what you saw, but the FAs on that plane might feel that they saw/experienced something different. Doesn't mean they were lying, doesn't mean they think you were lying.

Now they know that people are watching, and this probably won't happen again with that group of FAs.
 

What is your goal? Do you want an employee fired or suspended? I guess you can file a complaint with the DOT (FAA?)

A flight attendant noticed the open bin. She assumed it must have popped open. She got up and closed it before take off. I suspect the flight attendant who was responsible for checking the bin didn't realize it was open. If she knew it was open she would have closed it. Do you really think a FA walked past an open bin and made a conscious decision to leave it open during take off?

A mistake was made. You brought it to the attention of WN. Hopefully the FA will be more observant in the future.

I agree with the PP. In that circumstance I would have either gotten up and closed the bin, used the call button or just spoken up.

I know you're venting but your email served its purpose. WN investigated. OK the FAs memory doesn't match yours...I think you're right but that doesn't mean anyone is lying.

My goal with the initial email was to bring an important safety concern to Southwest's attention. My goal as I started to write this post was to seek advice regarding what, if anything, else could be done with the situation. However, as I was writing, I realized that there was really not anything else that likely could be done. So, ultimately, my goal ended up being to vent...which I disclosed clearly, I think.

I appreciate the gentle pat on the head that Greysword gave me reinforcing that I did the right thing by reporting it, but validating that there is nothing further to be done.
 
To the OP, I work for an airline, not SW and I am not going to disclose which one, but with that said I can assure you that you indeed did do the right thing.

Take it for what it is worth but I would be willing to bet that things have happened behind the scenes that SW didn't disclose and that they did in fact take your email very seriously. I can't speculate what type of outcome happened but just by knowing how we would react to a similar notification much more was said and done than SW has indicated.

Take their reply as a 'thank you' for doing the right thing, and be proud that you may have prevented something similar from happening in the future with much more drastic or serious outcomes. Based on your account it really is remarkable that nobody was injured.

And as far as the FA needing to be belted in, without knowing how far into the flight you were I can't say if she violated safety regulations or not, generally FAs need to be belted in below 10,000 ft on take off. Again by pointing this out and SW following up the FA will most definately think twice about his/her actions in the future.
 
Hi, I work for said airline and as a FA. You did the right thing by reporting what you perceived as a safety violation. All letters are forwarded to the FAA. FA's are required to be in their jumps seats and fastened when the aircraft is taxiing except for safety related duties. Once the plane is airborne that doesn't apply. SW fA's often get up early to serve beverages on short flights.

I do understand your frustration for believing they lied. But your concern was for safety, not to determine who lies and who doesn't. So I'd say let it go....
 
Thank you to everyone who replied - especially those of you who work (or have worked) for the airlines. I needed a bit of perspective - and you have all kindly offered that. At this point I have no intention of following up any further. As I was writing the OP, I realized that what I really needed was to vent. So my goal has been accomplished.
 
Not to be mean but wow that sounds like such a petty complaint. Sounds like in a rush to get up in the air a flight attendant missed closing a bin. She then saw it and closed it and then sat back down. Who cares if she chose not to buckle for the rest of the ascent. I am sure she has a lot more experience in determining when she can or cannot buckle. I fly enough to see there are plenty of times that the passengers need to be buckled but the flight attendants are allowed to start the beverage service. What was the point of writing SWA? I'm sure no one will agree with me but thats ok too. :)
 
Personally would just be glad the flight was "rushed" to get up ahead of the storm. I'm sure the flight attendant had done that multiple times before. Very small issue, not like the door was ajar!
 
I'm surprised no one brought this to the FA's attention. You mentioned it was in front of the plane so I'm assuming most on the plane saw it open. I would have brought it to their attention somehow once we started heading for the runway.

This is not an attack on the op, but we are all human and all make mistakes. I for one work in an enviorment where if mistakes are made some one can get killed in a blink of an eye. I think this was just a mistake, which as soon as it was realized was corrected. Luckly the out come was good. I don't think I would have even reported this to SouthWest.
 
Not to be mean but wow that sounds like such a petty complaint. Sounds like in a rush to get up in the air a flight attendant missed closing a bin. She then saw it and closed it and then sat back down. Who cares if she chose not to buckle for the rest of the ascent. I am sure she has a lot more experience in determining when she can or cannot buckle. I fly enough to see there are plenty of times that the passengers need to be buckled but the flight attendants are allowed to start the beverage service. What was the point of writing SWA? I'm sure no one will agree with me but thats ok too. :)

Oh I agree- I can't believe someone would actually write a letter and compain about this- seems very petty and like the OP wanted to get the flight attendant in trouble.
 
Not to be mean but wow that sounds like such a petty complaint. Sounds like in a rush to get up in the air a flight attendant missed closing a bin. She then saw it and closed it and then sat back down. Who cares if she chose not to buckle for the rest of the ascent. I am sure she has a lot more experience in determining when she can or cannot buckle. I fly enough to see there are plenty of times that the passengers need to be buckled but the flight attendants are allowed to start the beverage service. What was the point of writing SWA? I'm sure no one will agree with me but thats ok too. :)

It is not petty to someone who has witnessed an overhead bin pop open during turbulence and two people getting bashed in the head with luggage. Thank you OP for writing the email but next time, please don't hesitate to bring the open bin to their attention. I am a frequent business flyer and unfortunately, flight attendants do not always follow all safety protocols (infrequently:)).
 
It is not petty to someone who has witnessed an overhead bin pop open during turbulence and two people getting bashed in the head with luggage. Thank you OP for writing the email but next time, please don't hesitate to bring the open bin to their attention. I am a frequent business flyer and unfortunately, flight attendants do not always follow all safety protocols (infrequently:)).
But the FA got up and closed it so there was no longer a safety issue. So the OP goes and tattles on the FA for closing it. Petty!
 
Granted, the FAs forgot to close the overhead bin door. The devils advocate asks, "Now that you noticed the door open and the plane is taxiing down the runway, what should the FAs do next?" This is an essay question to be answered using the same detail as a radio play by play announcer or a play/ballet choreographer would use, and not necessarily answered in the next 60 seconds.

OT: Airlines and FAs have a double check procedure to help ensure that the inflatable slide does not deploy during normal arrival at the gate. At least two FAs are supposed to verify that the "armed/disarmed" dial on the door is set to "disarmed" before the door is opened.
 
Not to be mean but wow that sounds like such a petty complaint. Sounds like in a rush to get up in the air a flight attendant missed closing a bin. She then saw it and closed it and then sat back down. Who cares if she chose not to buckle for the rest of the ascent. I am sure she has a lot more experience in determining when she can or cannot buckle. I fly enough to see there are plenty of times that the passengers need to be buckled but the flight attendants are allowed to start the beverage service. What was the point of writing SWA? I'm sure no one will agree with me but thats ok too. :)

Believe it or not, people use these incidents to try and get something from the airlines, like milage or free flights or something like that. Im not saying the OP is doing that. I had a friend (who is no longer a friend) who used to report stuff like this and the airline would offer him things just to go away.
 
One thing the OP didn't mention is that she knew the FA knew the bin was open. It is very possible, that the FA didn't see it was open in the rush to get up in the air. Once in the air, she realized it was open and assumed it popped open, which can happen. She got up and closed it to eliminate the safety hazard. She then sat down in her seat, but isn't required to buckle once in the air. Another possibility is that she noticed it open as they were taking off and unbuckled to take care of the safety issue as soon as possible.

It is fine that it was sent to SW, but I think it was handled correctly on both ends. It is now time to move on. I certainly wouldn't let something like this affect my decision on whether to fly SW again, which OP said isn't a factor in her their decision, but personally, I know I would fly them again. Things can happen. Luckily no one was hurt. End of story.

Duds
 
But the FA got up and closed it so there was no longer a safety issue. So the OP goes and tattles on the FA for closing it. Petty!

Yes, fortunately, the flight attendant observed it before it caused any harm but my point is that she is paid to follow safety protocols which include making sure that all overhead bins are closed before takeoff. The OP observed that the protocol was not followed and reported it to the airline. These things happen (again, infrequently) on all the airlines I've flown and reporting these issues help the airlines not only to keep track of similar complaints involving the same flight team to see if there is a personnel issue but also for training purposes. The unsolicated feedback my company receives from our customers is used for very similar purposes ( although our product has no safety ramifications to the public). The OP received a response so like another poster stated, I agree it was handled correctly on both ends.
 
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