Is this board pins only...I am looking for sericels and lithographs

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I am just starting to collect lithographs. I am curious about sericels (not sure of sp). I'd like to find out the differences. I am also interested in the crystal pieces I saw last month while I was in Disney and the pewter. I have been seeing them on eBay.

Thanks,
Cheryl:p
 
HI -

This board isn't just about collecting pins, it isn't even always just about collecting! :D

Many of the people on the board collect all sorts of things, it just seems sometimes there is more to talk about on pins because they are coming out with so many all the time.

But post your questions or your comments. Myself I have a small collection of sericels (yes, you spelled in correctly) and production cels, there are many other people on here who woud put my collection to shame.
 
Hi Cheryl,

Welcome to the DIS Collector's Board!

The difference between Lithographs and Serigraphs/Sericels:

Lithograghs are printed on paper using a process called lithograghy that uses a metal plate specially treated so the image areas retain ink and the no-image areas don't.

Serigraphs and Sericels are printed by sqeezing the ink through pieces of silk or other similar synthetic materials. Serigraphs are on paper (graph) and Sericels are printed on acetate (cels). The term cel comes from celluloid which is the substance that was originally used in animation. Celluloid is highly flamable so when acetate became available they switched to that.

Fell free to ask away if you have any more questions.
 
Thanks so much but I am still a little confused. On eBay they have film cels that they say is printed from the film negative. Is this different?

And secondly, which are more valuable and why? How would you suggest that I learn more about how to estimate values?

The art in the art store in Downtown Disney, are those sericels?

I know I have a lot of questions. Thanks for taking the time to help out.
:p
 

I believe a film cel is a single frame from a movie. These are the ones that run through a projector and appear on the screen of a movie theater. These are small, abou 1.5 " if it is cut from 35mm film or 3" if cut from 70mm Sstock.

As for value.....this is a gray area. Certain characters and/or films are more collectable than others. Movies like Beauty & The Beast and The Lion King are more popular than The Black Cauldron and Oliver & Co. Even in the same film the main characters, Belle, Simba, are more sought after than the supporting characters like Cogsworth and Zazu.

I personally feel a sericel is more collectable than film cel. Just my opinion.
 
There are several ways that value can be determined, eye of the beholder being almost first and foremost.

But there are, in terms of cels, several different types.

First of all, there are production cels. These are the cels which are one-of-a-kind, actually used in the making of the original productions, whether it's for a movie, a tv show or for some other special purpose, for example, to add animation to a commercial or an awards program. These are hand-drawn, hand-inked and hand-painted. The last full-length Disney movie to use exclusively production cels was The Little Mermaid.

Since that time, all Disney movies have used mostly computer animation, which means that for all computer generated animation, no original one-of-a-kind production cel exists. Production Cels from movies, depending on the content, usually claim the highest prices. (On the other hand, some scenes just don't lend themselves to much value as art by themselves, or of minor characters, will not command a high price. A friend of mine has a cel of "miscellaneous fish" from Bedknobs and Broomsticks - really cute, but people aren't beating down the doors to get it.) Original producation cels from older movies can reach very high, like Snow White, one of which got over $300,000 at auction a few years back.

TV production cels are farily widely available, still are one-of-a-kind, and the prices are much more affordable. You can get some of these at Art of Disney for about the same price as a sericel.

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Then there are cels which were never used directly for a movie or show, which Disney has produced strictly for the collectors. the sericels and other limited edition cels. Disney even releases one-of-a-kind cels from the computer generated movies. Usually once or twice a year they have an auction of these type of cels from their most recent movies.

The value of these depend on the edition sizes, the subject, the background (a 'created' cel may still have a 'production' background, which is a valuable work of art in and of itself.)

Generally, the sericels have the largest editions, and as a result are the more affordable. These cels are not hand done, they are printed on the cel through a serigraph process. Other limited edition cels may have the lines printed but the actual paint hand-done, or may have the entire cel hand done. Again, depending on the edition size and the subject, the each of these types of cels can sell out and then the secondary market would determine the value. Sericels usually retail between $250-$750, the 'limited edtion' cels usually run higher. (There is a stated edition size for the sericels so they are actually 'limited editions, too)

Each of these cels, whether a sericel or a production cel, is usually a true copy of a particular scene in the show.

Lithographs, on the other hand, which are generally on paper, tend to be artisti interpretations in and of themsleves, and are not usually a particiular scene in a show.

I hope this helps. If I got any part of this wrong, please correct me.
 
To learn how to estimate value would involve watching auctions and auction sites like ebay.

There are many galleries on the internet that will have material for sale. You can check out those sites andget an idea of what the retail values might be.

I do warn you that there is fake material out there. Things like lithographs and sericels are by their very nature are reproductions and others can try to fake the reproductions as well.

I have collected this kind of material for over 10 years. I do try to follow the primary rule of buy what you like. If it appreciates in value great, if not, I still love the piece.

If you do choose to collect for resale opportunities, I think I would recommend sticking to original production material rather than limited edition and sericels. Original production material is more likely to hold it's value due to the uniqueness of the piece. The same usually does not hold true for reproductions.
 
Hi Cheryl

If you have any pins and are looking to trade, I have loads of lithos and am trying to get together some pins to surprise my husband for his birthday in August. Send me an email if you're interested.

Kathy

LuvClarice@aol.com
 














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