Is the Magic Over??

I actually priced out a stay at all star movies standard room for 8 days early/mid December, no theme park tickets, was over $1,500, my DVC points dues are around $1,200 which gave me 10 days in my DVC studio (actually not using a full years points). Folks who are now staying at a value, aren't paying less than me. My purchase in 2007 was a prepayment on vacation rooms and a hedge against inflation.

I’m a long time member (1999) and if you haven’t looked at cash rates in awhile, you are in for a shock. I have a Riviera preferred studio for early April, I almost fell over when I saw the cash rate was over $900 a night.
 
I’m a long time member (1999) and if you haven’t looked at cash rates in awhile, you are in for a shock. I have a Riviera preferred studio for early April, I almost fell over when I saw the cash rate was over $900 a night.
I just got curious and priced a room on a weekday in February on Travelocity. The Poly is $1,193 a night. :scared1:
 
Ok I was curious as well. Our trip to Aulani this summer for 8 nights 1 bdrm island view comes to a whopping $12,519 taxes in. $1179 per night.... That is the cost of my 1st 200 point contract at SSR.
My points cost for the 400 points it is costing us to stay is $3000.
That is the magic for us.
Still love the feel of WDW and cant wait to go back and relax at the resorts there.
 

Ok I was curious as well. Our trip to Aulani this summer for 8 nights 1 bdrm island view comes to a whopping $12,519 taxes in. $1179 per night.... That is the cost of my 1st 200 point contract at SSR.
My points cost for the 400 points it is costing us to stay is $3000.
That is the magic for us.
Still love the feel of WDW and cant wait to go back and relax at the resorts there.
Yeah, but folks all over this forum swear you never have to pay rack rate. Ever... :rolleyes:
 
I’m a long time member (1999) and if you haven’t looked at cash rates in awhile, you are in for a shock. I have a Riviera preferred studio for early April, I almost fell over when I saw the cash rate was over $900 a night.
I just got curious and priced a room on a weekday in February on Travelocity. The Poly is $1,193 a night. :scared1:

Interesting. I've looked at some cash rates for January recently in case I wanted to add an extra night or two last minute and DVC didn't have any availability. I wasn't seeing prices anywhere like that. Those were for studios? I think I saw Riviera in the $550-$600 range (still crazy but not $900 crazy!) and Poly similar.
 
Interesting. I've looked at some cash rates for January recently in case I wanted to add an extra night or two last minute and DVC didn't have any availability. I wasn't seeing prices anywhere like that. Those were for studios? I think I saw Riviera in the $550-$600 range (still crazy but not $900 crazy!) and Poly similar.

Going by Mousesavers charts (includes tax):

https://www.mousesavers.com/2022-disney-world-room-rates-season-dates/
The $900+ for Riviera was a preferred studio, April 2 to 8.
 
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Tough question...as others have articulately stated, much of one's personal response depends on how much compromising one is willing to make. If the costs of the new Genie+ and LLs don't bother you; if the crowd levels don't upset you; if the reduction of services haven't reached the level of annoyance to make you cringe a little; if the overwhelming expense (DVC or not) of a trip to Disney still doesn't make you blink too much...then absolutely it can still be a magical place.

For me, however, after 35 years of Disney trips--both CA and FL--Corporate Disney reminds me of the old apologue about slowly turning up the heat on a pot of water as a frog sits in the pot--do it slowly enough and the frog will never jump out and be cooked. Again, that's just my personal journey. ;)
 
What keeps us coming back is all the other stuff outside the parks. We have been going to the parks less and less. Doing more resort hopping and relaxing! Crazy to actually go to WDW and relax! My coworkers are always confused when I come back relaxed and well rested. Sometimes taking a slower Disney trip gives you a new appreciation for all the stuff you're too busy to notice. That's why we actually love SSR! Plus the golf doesn't hurt either.
 
You know what kills us, having to use your phone for most everything. I literally turn my phone on every two weeks or so to delete spam calls then shut it off and put it back on the counter. My wife keeps hers on most of the time but honestly doesn't know how to download apps, use it for directions or pretty much anything else other than making calls. We went to Disney three weeks over this past year and were at a disadvantage, but we weren't one of the hundreds of people that bump into you while walking around looking down at their phones. Over the last 15years we loved going down for a week or two and just winging it and having a blast, now you have to lock in your itinerary months ahead of your visit or your locked out of alot of things. Going down to the islands this winter for three weeks and looking forward to leaving our phones in the room safe.
 
You know what kills us, having to use your phone for most everything. I literally turn my phone on every two weeks or so to delete spam calls then shut it off and put it back on the counter. My wife keeps hers on most of the time but honestly doesn't know how to download apps, use it for directions or pretty much anything else other than making calls. We went to Disney three weeks over this past year and were at a disadvantage, but we weren't one of the hundreds of people that bump into you while walking around looking down at their phones. Over the last 15years we loved going down for a week or two and just winging it and having a blast, now you have to lock in your itinerary months ahead of your visit or your locked out of alot of things. Going down to the islands this winter for three weeks and looking forward to leaving our phones in the room safe.
Yeah, I use my phone a lot for business...it was nice not to be tied to it at Disney. Not too wild about that, either. But, as they say, it is what it is. I carry a charger pack.
 
Tough question...as others have articulately stated, much of one's personal response depends on how much compromising one is willing to make. If the costs of the new Genie+ and LLs don't bother you; if the crowd levels don't upset you; if the reduction of services haven't reached the level of annoyance to make you cringe a little; if the overwhelming expense (DVC or not) of a trip to Disney still doesn't make you blink too much...then absolutely it can still be a magical place.

For me, however, after 35 years of Disney trips--both CA and FL--Corporate Disney reminds me of the old apologue about slowly turning up the heat on a pot of water as a frog sits in the pot--do it slowly enough and the frog will never jump out and be cooked. Again, that's just my personal journey. ;)

Haha.....

My first Disney visit was in 1988, so I'm a bit behind you at 33 years!

It appears to me the frog is suddenly feeling the heat, or should I say a lot more frogs are feeling the heat faster and jumping out. So, if enough frogs get hot too fast and escape without spending the ridiculous amount of money required, Disney may have to readjust the heat setting.

Doubtful that will happen. But for me, I could care less. I've gotten my value out of my DVC and have learned how to manage the costs associated with any vacations, not just Disney.

One of my early Disney, specifically Magic Kingdom, memories was Main Street Bakery and getting a cookie ice cream sandwich. Then coming out and sitting on a bench on Main Street, USA to enjoy it. That was if you could find a seat, because all the old timers were lined up to people watch and offer their advice and opinions to us 'young, new' visitors.

Disney took that seating away from Main Street, and gradually most seats throughout the park. In other words pushing the people who were there to relax and spend less out of the way of the newer and ready to pay folks. The methods have changed but the main objective is the same, which is to continue to maximize value for the company.

We rarely see 'new' parkgoers coming on here and complaining in advance. They have yet to decide whether there is value for them, until they've visited, and their experience will depend on whether it measures up to what value they've obtained elsewhere. Almost everybody who is unhappy with changes usually states they will take their vacation dollars elsewhere.

That's absolutely what they should do! Some perspective may be gained and also, new experiences, even if they cost less or more will be good for the soul. Everything should not be about theme park rides and characters.

Somehow, I think what people are mostly objecting to is that their safe haven is gradually being torn away. Some are adventurous and will stray to other adventures and some will sit home and cry about the changes.
 
I am still going (just got back) and still enjoying it, though perhaps not as much. I am starting to add more non-park days where I just wander the resorts and Disney Springs.
Yes, we have been doing the same for the past 3-4 years now, and I suppose that's part of my issue. As much as I enjoy relaxing poolside and strolling the grounds at VWL, RIV, CCV, SSR, et.al., there's a finite limit to how many times I will continue to find doing so enjoyable. After all, a pool is a pool is a pool (SAB perhaps the exception). Hanging out at a resort and exploring only takes a few hours stretched out over a few days. While it is relaxing, I can do the same at any halfway decent hotel. I'm not a shopper, so while Disney Springs is fun to explore, it is also a venue that loses appeal after a day or two there.

Going back to VWL (I'm old school and generally refuse to call it by the current BRV moniker), it's my home resort, and while beautiful and still enchanting, it's lost luster over the past few years. It's a deluxe with no signature restaurant, no actual sit down, a la carte restaurant whatsoever. Artist Point was a highlight for years--now it's a pricey character meal. WCC has always been about masses of people eating all-you-care-to-eat skillets which is great if you enjoy that sort of thing. Roaring Fork used to be an above average QS until the refurb during the construction of CCV. Since re-opening, it's taken a huge hit in quality. Geyser Point is a very nice QS, and is usually our go-to place when staying there, but the menu is limited and has dropped some favored items the past couple of years (looking at you, waffle fries). The old sandy nature trail was shut down when the cabins were built, never to return, and the lovely, paved walking/biking path was subsequently closed when Disney started to build the now defunct Reflections...and it is still closed, overgrown, and torn up meaning there is no way to walk through any sort of wilderness to get to FW...nor bike...nor take a boat. All that to say, while I do enjoy a resort stay, even that experience has changed leaving guests less to do and explore.

And should I wish to go into a park just to hit a couple of mainstay rides or soak up the ambiance or catch a parade? Megabucks. Too sweet of a price for me going forward to justify APs or even regular ticket pricing for, say, three days. Again, this is just my version of events, but in the end, that's all I have to go on.
 
I'm extremely lucky in that I have an unrestricted annual pass and a nice bunch of non expiring park hoppers in my cache. Not sure when I'll choose to use my annual pass as I'll probably not buy another unless I've got plans for multiple visits. Haven't been since February 2020 and haven't missed anything that much. Used my dvc points at Hilton Head in 2021 and will be there later this month plus in March.

My park hoppers can be passed on to family easily. They are not listed on the account. Same with my unassigned annual pass.

Add to that if I decide to go to Florida this month, in addition to HH. I have some free nights that can be used at Ritz Carleton. Or JW Marriott. If I start that, I may not even want to stay at Disney. Lots of choices out there for a resort vacation with maybe a dalliance at a park......
 
I'm extremely lucky in that I have an unrestricted annual pass and a nice bunch of non expiring park hoppers in my cache. Not sure when I'll choose to use my annual pass as I'll probably not buy another unless I've got plans for multiple visits. Haven't been since February 2020 and haven't missed anything that much. Used my dvc points at Hilton Head in 2021 and will be there later this month plus in March.

My park hoppers can be passed on to family easily. They are not listed on the account. Same with my unassigned annual pass.

Add to that if I decide to go to Florida this month, in addition to HH. I have some free nights that can be used at Ritz Carleton. Or JW Marriott. If I start that, I may not even want to stay at Disney. Lots of choices out there for a resort vacation with maybe a dalliance at a park......
I will be in HHI for a Gals getaway March 20-25…do we overlap?
 
Eliminating the airline baggage check in has opened a whole new world for us. We now rent a car and end up spending time outside the Disney Bubble. We have found some great restaurants off property at less than 1/2 the cost and who knew how much else there is to do around Orlando, even had Halloween supper and employee costume competition down at the port watching the cruise ships head out. Probably not what Disney hoped would happen when discontinuing airline check in.
 
We met friends from up state NY during our December trip. Really, the magic was seeing them, spending time with them. Disney’s was just the backdrop. The weather was perfect, and we had a great boardwalk room. The parks were an also ran to seeing our friends, enjoying the view and the weather.
 
You know what kills us, having to use your phone for most everything. I literally turn my phone on every two weeks or so to delete spam calls then shut it off and put it back on the counter. My wife keeps hers on most of the time but honestly doesn't know how to download apps, use it for directions or pretty much anything else other than making calls. We went to Disney three weeks over this past year and were at a disadvantage, but we weren't one of the hundreds of people that bump into you while walking around looking down at their phones. Over the last 15years we loved going down for a week or two and just winging it and having a blast, now you have to lock in your itinerary months ahead of your visit or your locked out of alot of things. Going down to the islands this winter for three weeks and looking forward to leaving our phones in the room safe.
This is part of the reason why I'm planning my next stay as resort only (the other part waiting on covid numbers). I want to get away from my phone while I'm on vacation, not double down.
 















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