Is it possible for someone to tell me (WITHOUT DEBATE!)...

[AnaheimGirl]

Remember, I said the decision we would make is ours, not necessarily anyone else's. People are free to make their own decisions.

Right now we are. Unfortunately, there are people out there who want to take that freedom away. There are people out there who want to force women to risk their lives for their embryo or fetus. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'd have thought you were one of those people.

 

[eclectics]

Seems to me that the undercurrent here is make Hokie admit his views are wrong. Obviously his religious convictions are quite well rooted and unshakeable. Minds are not going to be changed here. Even though he corrected my spelling I say leave the man alone!

 

[sodaseller]

There are certain posters that fulfill some internal need by creating maximum ******* on any thread that poster enters, not to advance truth, but to feed off that *******. Those seeking negative attention are gratified by its receipt.

 

[WIcruizer]

It tells me that lables like Pro-Choice or Pro-Life are meaningless, because we all have different views. I always considered myself as Pro-Life, but that's based more on rational thinking than religion. I don't see how saving a woman's life when the baby/fetus will almost certainly die can be considered immoral, (or worse illegal) in any way.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

There are certain posters that fulfill some internal need by creating maximum ******* on any thread that poster enters, not to advance truth, but to feed off that *******. Those seeking negative attention are gratified by its receipt.

In defense of myself--I was leaving well enough alone--and one particular item caught my eye. I wasn't getting my jabs in at Hokie. Not my style on serious subject matter as I do seek to understand.

 

[AnaheimGirl]

It tells me that lables like Pro-Choice or Pro-Life are meaningless, because we all have different views.

True, and this reminds me of an interesting discussion on another board. Someone asked whether a person who opposes abortion for any reason other than the health or life of the mother is considered pro-life or pro-choice. There were many responses, and about half said pro-choice and half said pro-life.

(Just an aside I thought others might find as interesting as I did.)

 

[sodaseller]

In defense of myself--I was leaving well enough alone--and one particular item caught my eye. I wasn't getting my jabs in at Hokie. Not my style on serious subject matter as I do seek to understand.

Not referring to you. Hope that was plain.

 

[cardaway]

Seems to me that the undercurrent here is make Hokie admit his views are wrong.

Are you forgetting that is his MO the majority of the time?

 

[AnaheimGirl]

Not referring to you. Hope that was plain.

OK, I wasn't going to say anything, but my hands have a mind of their own!

I know I'm new on this board and don't understand the history between different posters. But I don't understand why anyone would accuse another person(s) of well... basically trolling, without actually identifying the person(s) in order to give them a chance to defend themselves. Sure there were some differences of opinion here, but that's to be expected when discussing such an emotional issue about which many people feel very passionately. I thought it was all pretty tame, actually.

 

[eclectics]

Are you forgetting that is his MO the majority of the time?

Can't really judge I guess. I don't ever recall ever having a Q & A with him before. All I can say is that I have had many "foaming at the mouth" religious discussions with some of the other people (who shall remain nameless) on the CB that turned a lot more nasty than this one did.

 

[cardaway]

Can't really judge I guess. I don't ever recall ever having a Q & A with him before. All I can say is that I have had many "foaming at the mouth" religious discussions with some of the other people (who shall remain nameless) on the CB that turned a lot more nasty than this one did.

Guess you'll just have to truth others then. Definately a getting back what you dish out situation.

 

[chobie]

We CAN say what we would do in that situation, b/c we know what we would do and have talked about it. That doesn't demean or discount your decision in any way, just makes it different than the one we would make.

You can talk about what you "would" do until the cows come home, but untill that gun is pointed at your head you really don't know what you would do. It's just fine and dandy to talk about hypothetical situations were there is no actual threat to your life, but it is speicious to claim that you know for a fact how you would react when given a death sentence. No one knows that until they have been there.

 

[JennyMominRI]

You can talk about what you "would" do until the cows come home, but untill that gun is pointed at your head you really don't know what you would do. It's just fine and dandy to talk about hypothetical situations were there is no actual threat to your life, but it is speicious to claim that you know for a fact how you would react when given a death sentence. No one knows that until they have been there.

I used to think I would NEVER abort under any circumstances.. When I had my oldest 2 I was told my health was at risk and chose not to abort. It was never even question then. This time it was different.The consequences were far more serious and my health much less than it was then... I've learned to never say never

 

[justhat]

I used to think I would NEVER abort under any circumstances.. When I had my oldest 2 I was told my health was at risk and chose not to abort. It was never even question then. This time it was different.The consequences were far more serious and my health much less than it was then... I've learned to never say never

I completely agree with you and Chobie. I too am one who says I would never get an abortion (though I'm totally pro-choice because I don't feel my feelings should be forced upon others), but I know that if a dr told me I would be die if I continued with a pregnancy it would not be a cut and dry "I said I never want an abortion." In fact I am 99.9% positive that I would choose to save my own life. And I think that would be the case for anyone, regardless of how much you say "No, never" because it's hard to commit suicide like that. I think it would be really selfish of me too if I held onto the attitude of dying over getting an abortion as it would leave my 1yo without her mommy, and after having lost my own father at 17 I wouldn't wish losing a parent on anyone. Her life would be a major factor in my decision.

 

[swilphil]

I agree with you whole-heartedly. Remember, I said the decision we would make is ours, not necessarily anyone else's. People are free to make their own decisions.

The decision is actually your wife's decision, at least as the law stands right now. I would totally support your wife to choose to end or proceed with any pregnancy because it is her body and her choice. Many wives have ended such pregnancies without their husband's knowledge because they know they would end up dying. I am thankful that I am in a situation where I could discuss the problem with my husband and he would support my decision, no matter what. I think it's sad that so many women have to go behind their husbands' backs, but at least the law allows them to do so.

 

[VSL]

You can talk about what you "would" do until the cows come home, but untill that gun is pointed at your head you really don't know what you would do. It's just fine and dandy to talk about hypothetical situations were there is no actual threat to your life, but it is speicious to claim that you know for a fact how you would react when given a death sentence. No one knows that until they have been there.

Well said.

And swilphil is right about it being the woman's decision.

I can't remember who said it but the idea of going through a pregnancy knowing that the baby will kill you as committing suicide was also an interesting point.

 

[hokiefan33]

OK, I wasn't going to say anything, but my hands have a mind of their own!

I know I'm new on this board and don't understand the history between different posters. But I don't understand why anyone would accuse another person(s) of well... basically trolling, without actually identifying the person(s) in order to give them a chance to defend themselves. Sure there were some differences of opinion here, but that's to be expected when discussing such an emotional issue about which many people feel very passionately. I thought it was all pretty tame, actually.

Not everyone understands that, though, AG. I believe my opinions to be true, others believe their opinions (which are different than mine) to also be true. By definition, one of us is wrong. Proving it will be impossible, however. But some folks, when they have their opinions challenged, get their feelings hurt. I just like to talk about it, but others feel personally threatened, for whatever reason.

 

[hokiefan33]

Can't really judge I guess. I don't ever recall ever having a Q & A with him before. All I can say is that I have had many "foaming at the mouth" religious discussions with some of the other people (who shall remain nameless) on the CB that turned a lot more nasty than this one did.

For all the jabs that cardaway likes to get in on me, he does as much pot-stirring as anyone else on here. But he always likes to point the finger elsewhere.

 

[hokiefan33]

You can talk about what you "would" do until the cows come home, but untill that gun is pointed at your head you really don't know what you would do. It's just fine and dandy to talk about hypothetical situations were there is no actual threat to your life, but it is speicious to claim that you know for a fact how you would react when given a death sentence. No one knows that until they have been there.

You're dealing in absolutes, chobie. You can't say "no one knows" unless you have some sort of fact to back that up with. How do you "know" for certain that I would do any different if a situation presented itself? Tell me how you know for sure, b/c I'd sure like to get ahold of that crystal ball you must be using.

 

[Bob Slydell]

I believe my opinions to be true, others believe their opinions (which are different than mine) to also be true. By definition, one of us is wrong.

No, by definition, opinions are just that, opinions.

o·pin·ion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-pnyn)
n.
A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof