Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

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The hate watchers did not disappoint! I really appreciate the commitment to the hate. Pages and pages of fun.

That's really the worst of it, isn't it -- the effort to divide and sow dissension -- during a time when the world really needs more love. I like constructive people, not destructive. The Sussexes could have gone a long way toward building a stronger, healthier, more modern monarchy and U.K., had they stayed to do the work.
 
Can somebody explain why she had to kneel when she first met the Queen. I believe it was before they were married correct? From my understanding only subjects ( which she at that time was not) need to kneel. In royal receiving lines only those who are citizens of the commonwealth kneel? As an American not required?
 
This is a pretty scathing article but it sums up what some of us are seeing. Here is a quote from it:


But there’s something else going on, too, something that goes far beyond Harry falling out with his dad or Meghan vs Kate. More fundamentally we’re witnessing a culture clash. A conflict between the contemporary cults of victimhood and identity politics, as now keenly represented by Harry and Meghan, and the older ideals of duty, self-sacrifice, stoicism and keeping your (insert bad word) together, as embodied by the queen, and as aspired to by most Brits in recent decades.


https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/...rtQ4SSaJoprkYjkHXUpBMuQ#.YEYbXKeaIok.facebook
Loved this from the article:

"The problem isn’t us, the grubby, tabloid-reading public, pestering Harry and Meghan for info about their lives; the problem is them forever foisting their most intimate experiences down our throats. How about you leave us alone? "

:rotfl:
 

I listened to the interview pretty carefully, and I give Meghan and Harry the benefit of the doubt here. The tabloids have, in fact, been dog-whistle racist in their attacks leveled at Meghan, and I saw no reason to disbelieve her or Harry when they say that they felt unprotected by the Palace when it came to their physical safety. Harry had every reason to believe that Meghan's bi-racial heritage and their children's inheritance of that should have been considered a real asset to the Commonwealth, and being told when Meghan was first pregnant (without a reasonable explanation) that she and Archie would not be given the same status, and much more importantly, security protection every Royal of their station would normally receive must have been deeply painful.

I think Harry is his mother's son. Diana tried to explain to the world how life inside of the "Firm" is not the fairy tale people would like it to be. The only ones who really know what their lives are like are the members of the Royal Family themselves. Harry pulled back the curtain a little, and it's understandable that people might not want to hear that life within the gilded cage can be even life-threateningly stressful.

It would be nice to think that the members of the Royal Family consistently have each others' back when one member is non-stop attacked in the tabloids. But Harry's explanation of the kind of unhealthy symbiotic relationship between the Palace and the Press rang true to me. The Royals are responsible for ensuring that the Monarchy continues, and out of fear, to do that they apparently have to be willing to allow a family member to be thrown under the bus now and then. I don't blame Harry and Meghan for wanting to tell their side of the story.

As this thread illustrates, people like us will look from the outside and make our own minds up of who to believe. We're going to filter those assumptions through our own life experiences, and we're going to disagree with each other and none of us really know. I certainly don't know any more than anyone else does. I just tend to believe Harry and Meghan when they say that their physical and emotional safety was something they needed to protect, and they couldn't do that within a structure that is designed to value the life of the institution far above the health of the individuals who make it up.

I would say that you have a good handle on the reality of the spectacle that the monarchy is. What I'm not sure of is whether you absorbed all of that from the interview. Seems like you've been a 'watcher' for quite some time.

There was a reason for the American Revolution. Back then there was no 10 Downing Street.

What puzzles me is the many repetitive hateful posts coming from one board member. Too much time on their hands, jealousy or maybe something more sinister.

There is a reason why so many people from ALL countries want to come to the supposed freedom and sanctuary that is the United States of America.
 
OMG I am dying. Just started watching and I just knew they would be raising chickens. Archie’s waffles ARE locally sourced

Like I said a few days ago, cookbook incoming!

I was just reading another Daily Mail article with the outakes mentioned.

So it wasn't the Queen or Prince Phillip who allegedly spoke about how dark Archie's skin would be. Still doesn't mean it was meant in a malicious or racist way.

Meghan mentioned waitey Katie - thought she didn't know diddly squat about the royal family or read the tabloids?
 
Can somebody explain why she had to kneel when she first met the Queen. I believe it was before they were married correct? From my understanding only subjects ( which she at that time was not) need to kneel. In royal receiving lines only those who are citizens of the commonwealth kneel? As an American not required?

Everyone has to curtsy (or bow in the case of males) to the queen, even in the private setting. Technically MM would not have to curtsy at all in any setting as she is not a British subject, but as a girlfriend who wants to be married into the family, she would be expected to follow protocol and curtsy.
 
Everyone has to curtsy (or bow in the case of males) to the queen, even in the private setting. Technically MM would not have to curtsy at all in any setting as she is not a British subject, but as a girlfriend who wants to be married into the family, she would be expected to follow protocol and curtsy.
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”Meghan Markle had no idea she had to curtsy to the Queen and was taught by Sarah Ferguson outside Royal Lodge moments before meeting Her Majesty for the first time.” (From article linked above!)
 
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have today insisted that their Oprah interview would be the 'last word' on their rift with the Royal Family. The couple, who will have their second child later this year, said they felt they 'needed to have their say' but now want to 'move on'. 😳

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ead-backlash-against-Prince-Harry-Meghan.html

Off they pop then!

But really I don't know what this will do to the monarchy, or the public perception of it.

I think its a case of damned if they do and damned if they don't with regards to issuing a statement as a reply.

I truly don't think the monarchy and the majority of the British public are racist. I'm white British though, so maybe I just don't see it? I like another poster said didn't even realise Meghan was mixed race. And even if I had it wouldn't have been an issue for me and millions of others. Seeing Diana's youngest boy happy and settled is all the public could wish for him. Many still have the image in their minds of that child walking behind his mother's coffin. With Charles re married, William married and then Harry it would have seen the royal family were secure, riding high on the public's good wishes (generally speaking) for them all.
 
Off they pop then!

But really I don't know what this will do to the monarchy, or the public perception of it.

I think its a case of damned if they do and damned if they don't with regards to issuing a statement as a reply.

I truly don't think the monarchy and the majority of the British public are racist. I'm white British though, so maybe I just don't see it? I like another poster said didn't even realise Meghan was mixed race. And even if I had it wouldn't have been an issue for me and millions of others. Seeing Diana's youngest boy happy and settled is all the public could wish for him. Many still have the image in their minds of that child walking behind his mother's coffin. With Charles re married, William married and then Harry it would have seen the royal family were secure, riding high on the public's good wishes (generally speaking) for them all.

I think the palace wasted a opportunity to come into the future. People want to blame a single woman, but I blame an instiutution. The first woman of color to marry into the family and this is the result. They have always been resistant to change.

Meghan is an American woman of color... this was bound to end badly. Shw was raised with American values and outlook about how your life is yours to make what of it what you will. And then she married into a family that is all about keeping with tradition and not changing.
 
I think the palace wasted a opportunity to come into the future. People want to blame a single woman, but I blame an instiutution. The first woman of color to marry into the family and this is the result. They have always been resistant to change.

Resistant maybe, but they have moved with the times.
Just a few things off the top of my head - Charles and Diana, Anne and Mark and Sarah and Andrew all divorced. Oh and Margaret and Tony Armstrong Jones.
Anne and Charles re married, were allowed to keep their titles and their place in line to the throne.
William and Catherine lived together before they got married - This would have been unheard of in previous years.
More recently, Beatrice, Andrew and Sarah's daughter married a man who has a child from a previous relationship. I'm not sure if he had been married. So he wasn't squeaky clean!
 
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have today insisted that their Oprah interview would be the 'last word' on their rift with the Royal Family. The couple, who will have their second child later this year, said they felt they 'needed to have their say' but now want to 'move on'. 😳

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ead-backlash-against-Prince-Harry-Meghan.html
Oh no, that's not how this works. You cannot throw a bomb into the world and then turn around and walk away from the fire. That happens in action movies, not in real life.
This is going to be dragged out for months, years, decades. Before this whole thing, Diana's interview came up ever few years in the tabloids.

With every step they take they will be reminded of this interview. In new interviews, in new talks, this will be referenced one way or the other.
 
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