Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

[Boardwalk Jedi]

I haven't seen any mention here of Harry and Meghan leaving Archie in Canada* again (with a nanny and Jessica Mulroney) when they visit England this month to finish up their royal business.

Yes, it's their business to do as they please (and they seem to be becoming very adept at that! ) but a) security costs have become a very sore point (and this doubles them for the period) and b) Archie has hardly gotten to know any of his family besides Meghan's mom. Now, ok, Meghan's family is "toxic" and yada, yada, yada. But is Harry's family toxic too? All of them? Will Archie ever get a chance to know his cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc.? If not, how might he feel someday about that? He's been in Canada since November. He will be a year old in May. Discuss.

* And before anyone brings up coronavirus, this has been planned for weeks.

Given the hate she gets, maybe she’s worried about her child. Or maybe she doesn’t want to be criticized for the way she holds her child. Kate and William have left the kids to do their “royal duties” several times and no one complained about security costs then. So why all the cackling about Archie staying home too?

 

[DisneyKoyote]

Given the hate she gets, maybe she’s worried about her child. Or maybe she doesn’t want to be criticized for the way she holds her child. Kate and William gave left the kids to do their “royal duties” several times and no one complained about security costs then. So why all the cackling about Archie staying home too?

I think it's because the Queen hasn't seen Archie much to begin with, and with M&H moving overseas, the chance of her seeing Archie is even less than K&W's kids. So one of the few times they have a gathering that M&H attends, it is kind of unusual (and maybe almost petty) to not bring him. If I had a grandmother that old, I'd bring my kid to see them as much as I can.

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

I think it's because the Queen hasn't seen Archie much to begin with, and with M&H moving overseas, the chance of her seeing Archie is even less than K&W's kids. So one of the few times they have a gathering that M&H attends, it is kind of unusual (and maybe almost petty) to not bring him. If I had a grandmother that old, I'd bring my kid to see them as much as I can.

Easier said than done.. I brought my kids to see my grandparents when I could but they weren’t that far. My husbands were though so....I hope I’m that’s not seen as petty

 

[Pea-n-Me]

It's not just about grandparents. It's about being given the chance to be part of one's own FAMILY.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

What, does the Queen not have access to FaceTime? How do we know she’s not interacting with Archie three times a day? How do we know she really even cares to be all that involved with him anyway? What is the “right” amount and kind of interaction for a baby to have with a great-grandparent? And with an uncle? Cousin? Are these yearly quotas available in spreadsheet form somewhere? Why are we assuming this child is being “kept” from anyone? Maybe the relationships are working just fine for everyone involved, as is. Good gracious, people live states, countries, and continents apart from relatives every single day and still manage to know who they are.

 

[TLSnell1981]

What, does the Queen not have access to FaceTime? How do we know she’s not interacting with Archie three times a day? How do we know she really even cares to be all that involved with him anyway? What is the “right” amount and kind of interaction for a baby to have with a great-grandparent? And with an uncle? Cousin? Are these yearly quotas available in spreadsheet form somewhere? Why are we assuming this child is being “kept” from anyone? Maybe the relationships are working just fine for everyone involved, as is. Good gracious, people live states, countries, and continents apart from relatives every single day and still manage to know who they are.

It's been reported..the RF wasn't allowed to visit Archie even before the Markles went on vacay. So I guess not much has changed.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

 

[TipsyTraveler]

It's been reported..the RF wasn't allowed to visit Archie even before the Markles went on vacay. So I guess not much has changed.

Well, the good news is that Charles will have custody of Archie soon enough, so if the current situation isn’t working he’ll be able to kidnap that child away from his parents in the name of “family.”

 

[gwynne]

Well, the good news is that Charles will have custody of Archie soon enough, so if the current situation isn’t working he’ll be able to kidnap that child away from his parents in the name of “family.”

Good grief.

 

[gwynne]

It's not just about grandparents. It's about being given the chance to be part of one's own FAMILY.

Indeed.

 

[DisneyKoyote]

Easier said than done.. I brought my kids to see my grandparents when I could but they weren’t that far. My husbands were though so....I hope I’m that’s not seen as petty

Yes that's the difference- you brought them when you could.

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

Yes that's the difference- you brought them when you could.

Why do you think it's so easy for them to do so, especially since they will be working? I really wish people would stop this fantasy that the royals were this perfectly in-sync family until Meghan came alone. Listening to the last few comments (and many more on this thread), I'm picturing it's 1978 and women are sitting on their kitchen phones babbling about how awful this other person is.

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

It's not just about grandparents. It's about being given the chance to be part of one's own FAMILY.

Girlfriend, you give this family too much credit. The queen famously shook her son's hand greeting him after returning from a long trip.

 

[Searc]

Girlfriend, you give this family too much credit. The queen famously shook her son's hand greeting him after returning from a long trip.

One of her MANY trips abroad where her children were left with nannies at home, often for weeks. Let's also not forget her 6 month trip away from her children, either.

 

[DisneyKoyote]

Why do you think it's so easy for them to do so, especially since they will be working? I really wish people would stop this fantasy that the royals were this perfectly in-sync family until Meghan came alone. Listening to the last few comments (and many more on this thread), I'm picturing it's 1978 and women are sitting on their kitchen phones babbling about how awful this other person is.

...because they have the money to do so...they could hire ten nannies to watch Archie when they are working? Money and status doesn't solve everything but it clearly makes a big difference. It is MUCH easier for them to bring Archie if they wanted to compared to the average person.... why do you think it's hard for them? I don't care about the royals previously (never thought they were perfectly in sync anyways like you suggested), but for this specific situation, it is not that hard for them to bring Archie. MM and Archie flew to NYC for a day to watch a tennis match then flew home the next day. If she can do that for a tennis match I'm not sure why she can't bring him to see the Queen...

Edit:// I'm not saying she has to go out of her way and bring Archie every week just to see the Queen. She and Harry already has to go to England- you might as well just bring the kid along considering how he hasn't seen his great-grandma in a while.

 

[Eeyore daily]

According to the news, the Queen doesn't even like babies

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

...because they have the money to do so...they could hire ten nannies to watch Archie when they are working? Money and status doesn't solve everything but it clearly makes a big difference. It is MUCH easier for them to bring Archie if they wanted to compared to the average person.... why do you think it's hard for them? I don't care about the royals previously (never thought they were perfectly in sync anyways like you suggested), but for this specific situation, it is not that hard for them to bring Archie. MM and Archie flew to NYC for a day to watch a tennis match then flew home the next day. If she can do that for a tennis match I'm not sure why she can't bring him to see the Queen...

Edit:// I'm not saying she has to go out of her way and bring Archie every week just to see the Queen. She and Harry already has to go to England- you might as well just bring the kid along considering how he hasn't seen his great-grandma in a while.

Even if it's not hard, it's not something they should do because other people think they "should". If I did everything my in-laws thought I easily could do, I'd be miserable. And again, you make it sound like they need to visit the lonely lady in a nursing home when the royals version of seeing grandma is making an appointment with her secretary and waiting for a formal meeting.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Girlfriend, you give this family too much credit. The queen famously shook her son's hand greeting him after returning from a long trip.

According to the news, the Queen doesn't even like babies

Silly. Of course the Queen likes babies, she had four of them! Two additional babies ten years after the first two. Pretty sure she had two under 3 years old when she, at just age 25 herself, ascended the throne after her father's unexpected death, learning the news while she was on an official visit to Kenya. She was a very busy lady then, as one could only imagine! Later, when things had calmed down a bit in her life, she decided to have two more when she had more time to spend with said babies.

I have seen a lot of footage of the Queen with her family and she is anything but cold. TV shows and news reports may want to show something different, but best to go to the actual source. Her daughter, Princess Anne, has said so, as well. Also what the RF displays in public may be quite different from their private lives, as she is always cognizant of how they appear to the public.

Video at end

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a29686896/royal-family-1969-bbc-documentary/

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

Silly. Of course the Queen likes babies, she had four of them! Two additional babies ten years after the first two. Pretty sure she had two under 3 years old when she, at just age 25 herself, ascended the throne after her father's unexpected death, learning the news while she was on an official visit to Kenya. She was a very busy lady then, as one could only imagine! Later, when things had calmed down a bit in her life, she decided to have two more when she had more time to spend with said babies.

I have seen a lot of footage of the Queen with her family and she is anything but cold. TV shows and news reports may want to show something different, but best to go to the actual source. Her daughter, Princess Anne, has said so, as well. Also what the RF displays in public may be quite different from their private lives, as she is always cognizant of how they appear to the public.

Video at end

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a29686896/royal-family-1969-bbc-documentary/

Oh barf...

 

[NotUrsula]

Wow. That’s one of the more insane comments I’ve read. Not sure if you remember the years leading up to her death - but the woman couldn’t walk her kids to school, work out at the gym, or go on vacation without photographers in her face.

I remember it quite clearly. I also have some knowledge of the way that access to that family works. Most of the time it's a give-and-take situation that works to the advantage of both parties. Of course, I've always thought that she in particular always seemed bound and determined to make her own life more difficult than it had to be.