Is it OK to save a spot in line?

[sbell111]

Actually, I refuse to let them "go around" me, every time they try to move I move in front of them and my mom does it as well so there is absolutely no way they can get through. Trust me, people have tried and failed.

I can't imagine your method actually working in a real scenario and it certainly wouldn't work with me if I was returning to my family, but feel free to post whatever you want.

 

[torinsmom]

If you accost someone by pushing past them, you will be the one thrown out of the line and possibly the park, if the CMs get involved. My friend and I stood with our arms out plenty of times last week, because the tour groups would actively try to cut in line. One guy did manage to sneak past us to be with his friend and we just went in front of both of them, since they wanted to be together so much. I mean, if they think cutting is okay, it stands to reason that us cutting is fine as well.

Now, if you ask me politely and are joining your family, I will most likely let you past, but if you're a butt about it.....

 

[crashbb]

Is there a separate line for ECV? Or will she be able to still ride with us?

Most lines are mainstreamed (the ECV can drive through them). In some, she'll go through special route (either right from the start or at some midpoint). In these cases, you can go with her (up to 6 of you - plus her). In a few cases, she'll have to transfer from the ECV into a wheelchair (which they'll provide).

 

[mattsdragon]

Here's my question to all the people who "don't let it bother them" or think "it's just one or two people". . .

At what point would you draw the line? I mean, if granny and grampa couldn't stand in line, and little Timmy had to go potty, isn't it also alright if little Susie wanted a dole whip, and Johnny wanted that Buzz Lightyear spinney toy, and Jenn had to call her BFF about seeing a boy who looked like Justin Timberlake, and Uncle Phil wanted to go look at some blonde who was walking by, and, well, Mary just couldn't be bothered with standing in line.

Do you get my point? The lines serve a function, they aren't merely there to frustrate the people who stand in them. Take away the lines, and you've got a Who concert in Cinncinnati (google what happened there).

I understand the thing about one or two people, in the long run not being worth the stress, but it's the 40 people behind them that stretch that "couple of extra seconds" into several minutes.

Multiply that on every ride, and suddenly, YOU miss seeing something that you really wanted to see, or an ADR, and then suddenly there's ANOTHER thread on here complaining about how the magic is ruined.

 

[iamthehiccup]

Most lines are mainstreamed (the ECV can drive through them). In some, she'll go through special route (either right from the start or at some midpoint). In these cases, you can go with her (up to 6 of you - plus her). In a few cases, she'll have to transfer from the ECV into a wheelchair (which they'll provide).

Ah, thanks for answering my question.

 

[crashbb]

Ah, thanks for answering my question.

No problem. You should head over to the DISabilities board if you have more questions - they are a great group.

 

[goofyernmost]

Here's my question to all the people who "don't let it bother them" or think "it's just one or two people". . .

At what point would you draw the line? I mean, if granny and grampa couldn't stand in line, and little Timmy had to go potty, isn't it also alright if little Susie wanted a dole whip, and Johnny wanted that Buzz Lightyear spinney toy, and Jenn had to call her BFF about seeing a boy who looked like Justin Timberlake, and Uncle Phil wanted to go look at some blonde who was walking by, and, well, Mary just couldn't be bothered with standing in line.

Do you get my point? The lines serve a function, they aren't merely there to frustrate the people who stand in them. Take away the lines, and you've got a Who concert in Cinncinnati (google what happened there).

I understand the thing about one or two people, in the long run not being worth the stress, but it's the 40 people behind them that stretch that "couple of extra seconds" into several minutes.

Multiply that on every ride, and suddenly, YOU miss seeing something that you really wanted to see, or an ADR, and then suddenly there's ANOTHER thread on here complaining about how the magic is ruined.

Well, I think that we were given brains to be able to differentiate between reasonable things and unreasonable things. If one cannot see the difference between the elderly needing a rest or a child needing to go to the bathroom from someone needing a toy or a Dole Whip (although, that could be considered legitimate), then what judgments can one make. Do you also believe that the girl that got expelled from school because she took an Advil for a headache because the school had strict rules on drug use, should have? Isn't that why we are called adults because we are supposed to be able to tell the difference?

The one size fits all logic loses something in real life. It comes under the concept of common sense, something that is sadly lacking in the world today. Everything is not just black and white.

 

[sbell111]

Here's my question to all the people who "don't let it bother them" or think "it's just one or two people". . .

At what point would you draw the line? I mean, if granny and grampa couldn't stand in line, and little Timmy had to go potty, isn't it also alright if little Susie wanted a dole whip, and Johnny wanted that Buzz Lightyear spinney toy, and Jenn had to call her BFF about seeing a boy who looked like Justin Timberlake, and Uncle Phil wanted to go look at some blonde who was walking by, and, well, Mary just couldn't be bothered with standing in line.

Do you get my point?

I guess that I don't get your point. You see, I could care less why these people became separated from their parties. They need to get by and my family isn't being inconvenienced in any real way. There is simply no reason for me to care about the issue further.

I understand the thing about one or two people, in the long run not being worth the stress, but it's the 40 people behind them that stretch that "couple of extra seconds" into several minutes.

Multiply that on every ride, and suddenly, YOU miss seeing something that you really wanted to see, or an ADR, and then suddenly there's ANOTHER thread on here complaining about how the magic is ruined.

The thing is, you are intentionally breaking the hypothetical to make your point work. It's not forty people and it certainly isn't forty people on every ride. Further, when it is one or two people, even if it were one or two people times several parties, it truly doesn't matter. These few people often simply fill up the ride cars that their parties would be using anyway. Further, if leaving the line and returning wasn't at least unofficially allowed, these people would be in front of you anyway. Frequently, the only thing that requiring these people to stay in line would have actually accomplished is to have more whiny people with you in the line.

 

[Hannathy]

I can't imagine your method actually working in a real scenario and it certainly wouldn't work with me if I was returning to my family, but feel free to post whatever you want.

Oh it works! You can ask the group at BTMRR that tried to get past us to meet up with 1 person about 30 people up. They didn't get thru! we told them he could come back but they weren't getting thru. Eventually they gave up and he just waited on them up ahead. So yeah you can block a line very well if you want to.

 

[crashbb]

Further, when it is one or two people, even if it were one or two people times several parties, it truly doesn't matter. These few people often simply fill up the ride cars that their parties would be using anyway. Further, if leaving the line and returning wasn't at least unofficially allowed, these people would be in front of you anyway. Frequently, the only thing that requiring these people to stay in line would have actually accomplished is to have more whiny people with you in the line.

See, I don't think it is a big deal, but I don't agree that it doesn't change things for me. Now, some leaving and coming back - sure that changes nothing. However, if the party all had to be together before entering the line, instead of someone joining later (after using the washroom, getting a drink/snack, getting FPs, whatever), then I would have gotten in line before that party. Therefore, their ability to split up and rejoin did end up with me having to wait longer.

Really, I haven't noticed it enough to make it a big deal to me, but I do see how it can lead to longer wait times for me.

 

[goofyernmost]

Oh it works! You can ask the group at BTMRR that tried to get past us to meet up with 1 person about 30 people up. They didn't get thru! we told them he could come back but they weren't getting thru. Eventually they gave up and he just waited on them up ahead. So yeah you can block a line very well if you want to.

I'm sure that there is a way to make it work, but I'm not sure that it would be worth it. There are a lot of twisted people out there and there is no twisted people scan when they enter Disney. Many, many people out there are traveling dangerously on the edge and I sure as hell am not going to test their mental health over a theme park ride.

In the thirty years I have been going to WDW this scenario has happened so few times that mostly it has never bothered me even to the point of speaking to someone else about it. (yes, I had that one time) but I was not going to confront a stranger about it.

I suppose that adds fuel to the fire and people do on occasion need to make a stand but I will choose a more important reason then BTMR to risk it.

 

[bdoyledimou]

This made me mad one time: 2 kids ducked under all of the ropes and cut through to run ahead of my family (literally bypassing the whole que) and then the parents walked leisurely through the whole line to catch up and when they got to us said excuse me and squeezed right by my family! This was line cutting for sure!
I would not care about small children coming through with a parent though while another one waited.

Ugh -- guilty to this one, but it was an honest mistake --

DD was 4, we were in line for the Speedyway, and when we got to the turn under the covered area she just kept walking to the front right under the chains!!

I chased her and grabbed her at the turnstile and the folks who watched me do the mad scramble/dash trip fall shuffle trying to reach her said to stay where I was and the cast member called DW and DS over to join us.

I felt really bad about it but the folks who let us in said watching me was so comical I had earned it.

 

[Albytaps]

Reading another post about holding a place in line reminded me of some line cutting that drove me nuts (ok not really but it did bother me.)

I remember this woman saying she was trying to catch up to her family on the Splash Mountain line a couple of years ago. I'm a pretty big guy so she had to ask excuse me to get by me and mentioned she was trying to get up to her family. The funny thing was, she didn't rush it... it was almost as if she was looking but didn't know if her family was there or not. She made it all the way to the loading area and just got on the ride. What a sneaky sneaky woman...

Another time, the line for Pirates was long and outside of the building. A family just straight up pushed their way through the line and disappeared into the building. I tried to block them when I noticed they were trying to get by us, but they were persistent and I didn't want to throw any punches so they got by. I said something loud enough for them to hear me and I noticed one of their adults got a little nervous but they were soon out of sight.

I can't believe people sometimes LOL

So how would you have handled those situations? Speecially the one with the family? Would you have pushed back? Got a CM's attention? What would you have done?

 

[owl0306]

ugh people. Think they are so entitled. From what I heard CM's do nothing for line cutters. They barely enforce rules.

 

[mattsdragon]

I guess that I don't get your point. You see, I could care less why these people became separated from their parties. They need to get by and my family isn't being inconvenienced in any real way. There is simply no reason for me to care about the issue further.
The thing is, you are intentionally breaking the hypothetical to make your point work. It's not forty people and it certainly isn't forty people on every ride. Further, when it is one or two people, even if it were one or two people times several parties, it truly doesn't matter. These few people often simply fill up the ride cars that their parties would be using anyway. Further, if leaving the line and returning wasn't at least unofficially allowed, these people would be in front of you anyway. Frequently, the only thing that requiring these people to stay in line would have actually accomplished is to have more whiny people with you in the line.

I use hyperbole to get my point across. What is the breaking point is my question. If granny and grampa are ok, and the potty break is ok, then why aren't the other scenarios I mentioned ok? They only just add one or two more people.

Where do you draw the line? What if the teenage kids just didn't feel like standing in line? It's just a couple more people, just one more train.

If 2 people are ok, are 5? How about 7? 10? 20? That's what I want to know. I'm not trying to refute or argue about anything, I just want a better understanding of your mindset other than "they're just filling up the car that I wouldn't have been in". Two people on POTC is one thing, 2 on Astro Orbitor is different. Eventually, if you let enough people get by, it does start to inconvenience you, especially when that 30 minute Standby time turns into an hour, and you missed your ADR that you have to pay $10 per person for now.

Well, I think that we were given brains to be able to differentiate between reasonable things and unreasonable things. If one cannot see the difference between the elderly needing a rest or a child needing to go to the bathroom from someone needing a toy or a Dole Whip (although, that could be considered legitimate), then what judgments can one make. Do you also believe that the girl that got expelled from school because she took an Advil for a headache because the school had strict rules on drug use, should have? Isn't that why we are called adults because we are supposed to be able to tell the difference?

The one size fits all logic loses something in real life. It comes under the concept of common sense, something that is sadly lacking in the world today. Everything is not just black and white

Ok, so what is considered a legitimate excuse to not stand in line? I understand that logic plays into it, but if working with government contractors has taught me anything, common sense is anything but common. Can Jenn go call her BFF? OMG, it is SO loud in here. And what of Dirty Ol' Uncle Phil? Why is granny with her vericose veins alright, but Uncle Phil's pursuit of wife #7 isn't? I mean, we're talking about LOVE here. Is there ever a better reason?

And for the record, I NEVER SAID POTTY BREAKS ARE TANTAMOUNT TO LINE CUTTING. . .I have a 3 year old who is just potty trained, and she ALWAYS has to go at the wrong time. It is understandable.

 

[HWY20RIDE4MYSON]

Allthough it really didn't happen that often. I look at saving a spot in line like saving a spot in traffic on the freeway, if it's that important for you to be together... Then ride together.....

 

[Kudrah]

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Originally Posted by Kudrah
I do think it's rude for rides....however, I will say that the last two times we were in MK right at rope drop during EMH, either me or my husband high-tailed it to the Rapunzel meet and greet line and stood there while the rest of our party ran around and got fast passes (this was before the back end of the time window was enforced). I'd do it again, too. The CMs acted like it was pretty much par for that attraction...they asked each person in line how many were in their party. I guess I look at it differently in that case because the attraction wasn't open yet. Pretty tough to get a 5 year old to stand in line for an hour when the line isn't moving at all and all of Fantasyland is beckoning . No one had a problem with it, and most parents were operating the same way...one parent had the kid and the other parent was texting them to come back as soon as it was time to start. I told the CM my husband would be bringing my daughter back when it was time to let the first group in, he went on counting until he reached 30 kids (or however many they actually let in) and put the rope down. That particular meet and greet is unique, I think, just because of how long it takes to get in if you aren't in that first group...and they only count children but adults are allowed in on the sidelines.

Not really true ... everyone else was just more polite than you, and didn't say anything...

Actually, it really is true. As others have said, the CMs that work this particular meet and greet actually encourage this practice in order to not have a bunch of squirrely kids lined up along the wall outside the meet and greet. They count off the number of people and divide them into sections. It is already determined at that point where the dividing line between the next group on deck and the second/third/fourth groups, etc. The entire point of my post was to say that there are a few select attractions where it is not a typical situation.

Moreover, since there is a 30 minute (or sometimes longer) between the meet and greet sessions, if you are not in the first group you potentially can be waiting in a non-moving line for 90 minutes or longer. It is a straight, open queue that does not snake, etc. and there is no need for everyone to be standing in line once the divider between groups has been established. They are only concerned with how many kids are in your party...they don't have to be there in line the entire time. We are talking almost entirely about 4 /5/6 year olds, many of them in full princess dress standing still. On both our recent trips, 90% of the children were not in line until 5 minutes or so before the meet and greet was set to start. They were all in the general vicinity, like little anxious balls of energy, lol.

I'm sorry that you feel that me following the directive of the CM and also echoing the behavior of almost every other family there makes me impolite, but you are entitled to your opinion . You seem to have missed the main point of my previous post, which was unless it is a special attraction like a timed meet and greet, etc, like the one I described, I do NOT think it's ok.

 

[Corrine 1973]

Living by a theme park I have delt with my fair share of line jumpers. For the most part I move to the side to let them through. You can tell that they were not intentionally being mean and just wanted to get to the rest of there family. Do I think it OK, no and I would never do it. But I am not going to ruin my day by getting into an argument with someone else. There was one time when I knew this was not the case. A group of about 10 people tried to get past us while we waited in line for Roaring Rapids (like Kali River Rapids) and the peole behind us would not let them on. The group was very mean and insulted them until they finally were let through. I let them through because I saw what they were capable of. I would have let it go there, but as we saw there raft depart the ride they pointed up at us and started laughing. This was not OK. As soon as I was able to get a workers attention I told them what happened and pointed them out (subtly) when they arrived back in the loading area. When we returned back to the loading area after the ride I watched as security was escorting the entire party from the ride (and probably out of the park).

That being said I have never had someone try to line jump me at WDW.

 

[kaligal]

Living by a theme park I have delt with my fair share of line jumpers. For the most part I move to the side to let them through. You can tell that they were not intentionally being mean and just wanted to get to the rest of there family. Do I think it OK, no and I would never do it. But I am not going to ruin my day by getting into an argument with someone else. There was one time when I knew this was not the case. A group of about 10 people tried to get past us while we waited in line for Roaring Rapids (like Kali River Rapids) and the peole behind us would not let them on. The group was very mean and insulted them until they finally were let through. I let them through because I saw what they were capable of. I would have let it go there, but as we saw there raft depart the ride they pointed up at us and started laughing. This was not OK. As soon as I was able to get a workers attention I told them what happened and pointed them out (subtly) when they arrived back in the loading area. When we returned back to the loading area after the ride I watched as security was escorting the entire party from the ride (and probably out of the park).

That being said I have never had someone try to line jump me at WDW.

Most parks will toss you out for line jumping.

Not Disney. Not even if you knock people around, pushing and shoving.

If you told the Disney staff, they might apologize to you, but that would be it.

They encourage this behavior.

 

[larryz]

I'm just shocked at the number of people out there who apparently flunked "standing in line" in kindergarten...