Is double booking different PS's impolite or good WDW strategy?

[nataliesdaddy]

nataliesdaddy-- the least of this thread is your total
lack of social conscienceness toward your fellow man
with regard to your convienence vs. everyone else's
vacation enjoyment. I have met plenty of you in my life,
and am confident there are more to come. What set's
me on fire is your condescending, arrogant, morally
corrupt attitude to our fellow dis-ers..I would copy/paste
examples, but the effort would be far too laborious to be
worth my time, and the previous posts are there for the
reading. I am too a business executive, but I would NEVER
behave in the unequivically crass, demeaning, wanna be
arristocratic manner in which you so freely do. Your coworkers,
no doubt, hold you in the highest regard (choke) You need to
join the human race, and quit thinking that your evident
vocabulary puts you above everyone else. My favorite is the
"everyone thought highly of me for the painting purchase"
post. Not here they didn't. Get over yourself. If I used too
many "Big Words" for you, grab your dictionary Bucko. Look
'em up. Do not ever talk to these people in this manner
again. Stick to the subject (BTW-I recall it being YOUR
subject) You are not superior to anyone else here..quite the
contrary!

wow this is degenerating into something ludicrous - now someone is assigning all kinds of character traits, beliefs, insinuations and derogatory remarks. Its amazing. People flipping over my vocabulary, becoming incensed because I gave an example from having bought a painting?

But you sum it up pretty well - You say' "Do not ever talk to these people in this manner again." That pretty much sums up the controlling type of idea behind when people use such epithets as "selfish" So now I am being told what I am to do. Too funny.

And the rest of this is fabulous - "I have met plenty of you in my life" When you have no idea who I am by default. "your condescending, arrogant, morally corrupt attitude to our fellow dis-ers" A mind boggling generalization when there are a bunch of disers who have thanked me for tips, advice, priority seatings, shared excursions, and downloads of WDW materials."You need to join the human race, and quit thinking that your evident
vocabulary puts you above everyone else." Which obviously presumes I think such, when I don't. Just because I have a certain vocabulary someone flips out and assigns a belief about me? Thats a leap.

 

[mill4023]

The issue isn't seperating the two. The issue is people who would impute motive - which is ignorant at best. I have numerous associates. They all have opportunities everyday. One of them taking an opportunity is most often at the expense of other members of the group. This does not mean the person taking advantage of the situation is selfish.

Actually, it would be. I'm not sure why you are having such a hard time understanding the meaning of the word. I don't know how to make it any more clear than Webster's. If you can't see that taking an opportunity at the expense of other's is essentially the definition of selfishness, than you are obviously either choosing to ignore what you know is true, or you are truly ignorant.

Well that would be YOU assigning a judgement upon the individual predicated on your beliefs. Which may or may not be based anywhere near reality. In Mexico I used the wrong conjugation of a verb not once but frequently. This was most certainly an action on my behalf. If not for the fact that the guys holding me against the wall getting ready to beat me to a pulp... if not for the fact that they realized they were judging me wrong I would likely have been beaten half to death. But they realized that my actions were not what they believed them to be and that perhaps I didn't understand the Mexican context in which I was using proper Castillian Spanish. Or the time I was building a business relationship not realizing that being what I would consider cordial and nice was considered to (in the cultural context ) to be a sign of weakness, and disrespect. When the counter parties realized that in my culture being highly cordial and relationship based is how everything is done.

Sorry, I don't see the similarity between not understanding a foreign language and culture, and choosing to protect your own interests at the expense of others. They are two completely different situations.

That statement again would be to impute motive and to be presumptuous about who or what I am ... and those presumptions would be in error. I was not concerned about negative consequences for others, hadn't even dawned on me. I was thinking about optimizing my daughters vacation, not my vacation. And placing the ressies I needed to let go of into Disboard peoples' opportunities basket. There are Disers that now have killer Chef's Table ressies because of my having my schedules changed. As well as three other posts I put up making my ressies available to Disboard people. But if you aren't up at 6:45am EST (4:45 my time)to get those killer ressies 90 days in advance then don't blame me. I was not querying because I was concerned about negative consequences for others. I am/was interested to know what others think or feel. I was not interested in being labeled or condemned with some self righteous "selfishness" nonsense. and that would be your own reality also by definition.

I think most people would agree that being concerned only with YOUR family's interests regardless of the effect it has on other people's families is still selfishness. Saying that it is for your daughter and not you doesn't change anything. And I think we can both agree that you weren't "concerned about negative consequences for others." But if you are going to try to convice us that you never thought about the fact that your overbooking might prevent others from getting the PS's they want, I don't think anyone is going to buy it.

I never condemned you. I didn't even say that being selfish is always a bad thing. But your behavior is clearly selfish and saying otherwise is denial or ignorance.
I'd suggest that if you ask for an opinion in the future, you shouldn't get upset when that is what you get.

 

[nataliesdaddy]

You know, I just couldn't help noticing that you have
completely skipped over my posts tonight

Kind of Busy responding to the one you wrote above actually and some other peoples' posts.

....makes me feel a little hurt inside...OH yeah, BTW, Nataliesdaddy, while I was waiting for a response, I made a couple of
emails to some associates...turns out we know some people in common!!!! Very disturbing, what people say when they think the door is closed.....................

You were "waiting for a response?' yikes sorry to hear that. I certainly haven't been waiting around. Watch Neverland -awesome movie. Watched Oceans 12 also - no where near as good as Neverland. "while I was waiting for a response, I made a couple of
emails to some associates." Wow, this has got you so ferklempt that you obsessed to that degree? Sorry to hear that too. "We know people in common?" Cool.

"I just couldn't help noticing that you have completely skipped over my posts tonight" ...and I am the one that has been considered selfish or egocentric? Too funny

 

[nataliesdaddy]

What's worse is when folks go from PS to PS with their resort re-fillable mug!!!

too funny - I did not even know there was such a thing

 

[nataliesdaddy]

Thanks for the much needed injection of levity, 88keys
nataliesdaddy-- did you grab your websters?????

uh no, why is there some reason for me to do so?

 

[nataliesdaddy]

Actually, it would be. I'm not sure why you are having such a hard time understanding the meaning of the word. I don't know how to make it any more clear than Webster's. If you can't see that taking an opportunity at the expense of other's is essentially the definition of selfishness, than you are obviously either choosing to ignore what you know is true, or you are truly ignorant.

You take opportunity at the expense of others everyday. You may wish to think otherwise but fact is you do. If you eat there is food that someone else could have had. If you drive there is gasoline that others could have used. If you work there is a job that someone else could have. And I understand the meaning of the word quite well. I find it irrelevant and useless. It is one of those empty self righteous phrases that people use to judge others. To say nothing of the fact I asked people in the opening query if they found it rude, or impolite. I did not ask "do you judge me as selfish?" I would not have asked for that anyway as once people are talking in those terms it is just nonsense anyway.

Sorry, I don't see the similarity between not understanding a foreign language and culture, and choosing to protect your own interests at the expense of others. They are two completely different situations.

No its quite relevant, you mentioned that character and action are both inextricably intertwined in some definitive way. The examples are evidence that your statement is not true. Actions can easily be misconstrued as something they are not. Character and motive can be assigned that are utterly false.

I think most people would agree that being concerned only with YOUR family's interests regardless of the effect it has on other people's families is still selfishness.

Well maybe in your Universe "most people" would agree with your statement above. Not in mine.

Saying that it is for your daughter and not you doesn't change anything.

The word and definition given (by I believe it was you ...perhaps someone else) focused solely on self. While you may see family as extensions of self ... I don 't

And I think we can both agree that you weren't "concerned about negative consequences for others." But if you are going to try to convice us that you never thought about the fact that your overbooking might prevent others from getting the PS's they want, I don't think anyone is going to buy it.

I don't care if anyone doesn't buy it. It never once entered my mind as I was booking this and that. Which would be one of those presuppositions that you made earlier that would be false. Literally didn't dawn on me at all. Whenever I got the time over the last 40 days or so I just honed into trying to get this itinerary down.

I never condemned you. I didn't even say that being selfish is always a bad thing. But your behavior is clearly selfish and saying otherwise is denial or ignorance. I'd suggest that if you ask for an opinion in the future, you shouldn't get upset when that is what you get.

Again, I asked - is it rude or impolite I did not ask if I am selfish or not. or if what I posed was selfish or not. As you state above "selfish is not always a bad thing" Which is another reason I would not have posed that question.

As to you not condemning - an Example - You said, "you are truly ignorant"

Once the word "YOU" enters a sentence it is by default assigning a quality or judgement upon a person. That is entirely different then saying "XYZ is unfair", or "Yes I think its rude". When you enters into the sentence it goes from generic to assigning a personal trait. Now lets look at the definition of condemn...1)To express strong disapproval of, 2) To pronounce judgment against 3) To judge or declare to be unfit for use or consumption, 4) To lend credence to or provide evidence for an adverse judgment against - Now lets look at a couple of statements of yours - "you are being selfish" "you are truly ignorant" Those statements are by default personalized, and by default are judgements. The use of the words ignorant and selfish in the context you gave certainly are not of positive connotation. Therefore the statements are by default condemning.

 

[nataliesdaddy]

LOL. There's not much intimidation in using words that you don't know the meaning of, then pretending you never used them.

Well that would be another misunderstanding - I said hahahahahahaha not as an expression of contempt for someones use of a word but because the joke "OK, ready for the next "word of the day"...carry on!" (as posted by Dopey Sharon) and the way it was phrased I found it very funny.

And I wasn't pretending that I never used the word. I probably should have used different punctuation. I should have laughed at the joke and then started another sentence. But I wouldn't pretend I never used a word. When I read the post and got done chuckling I looked to see who used it and didn't see it anywhere on first glance. I found it now. It was used properly, so I am not sure why you wopuld believ it is a word I don't knwo the meaning of as it would be obvious in the context in which it was used that I do know its meaning.

 

[bugsy]

I hope the moderators close this thread...nothing good could
possible come of all this. I just hope everyone has a wonderful
time at WDW..even you nataliesdaddy...isn't that what this
whole board is really all about??? I just feel a little saddened..
not a speck of pixie dust to be found on this thread

 

[nataliesdaddy]

You have not upset me because I don't fret myself over people I don't even know as an acquaintance, but you clearly don't seem to get that your actions have not been considerate of others. You were thinking about what *you* wanted and whether or not it was your intention, it wound up being a selfish act because you wound up taking away spots from other people, even though you knew you would not being using all those spots. You may not see it that way but arguing about it isn't going to change the fact that it winds up causing problems for other people. And when that happens, it's no longer selfless.

Selfless? Wow ....YSo you were swimming with the dpolphin for the dolphins sake? Or for you? You do realize that because you did that, someone else could not. It in effect had an adverse impact on others.

and the opposite of selfless is selfish. I don't have to know someone to know that certain acts can be selfish. But you seem to be on the thought that not being considerate of others and only being concerned about yourself is not in the slightest bit selfish (considering the fact you said it's not true that only being concerned about yourself is rude).

So then, you were being selfish while in the pool with the dolphin then? Because you were totally into that experience I am sure. I certainly don't believe you were sitting in the pool or before your swim being considerate of the millions of people who could have used that Dolphin swim money for a months worth of food and rent. And I am certain that your not having consideration for those millions of others was neither selfish, nor rude on your part. You wanted to do it, you were psyched I am sure (my daughter loves dolphin swims), and I can be pretty confident you weren't sitting there fretting over being considerate of the 100s of millions less fortunate than you or I. No, you were into it for you. And thats a good thing - not bad, not selfish, not even rude.

You wanted our opinions, there you go. If you're going to dispute an opinion, why did you even ask? If you don't want to hear what we think, then don't post the question. There's no point in you disputing and dissecting every little thing, because it's not going to change the fact that a good number of us find your actions quite rude and wrong. And I'm sure this post will be dissected as well, so I will bow out with the knowledge that people apparently just cannot be considerate. I really feel bad for all the people who've been trying to book a PS arrangement and have come across this.

Yes I asked for peoples opinion of "is it rude or impolite". IYou can feel free to read the original post... it certainly did not ask for a character assasination.

 

[nataliesdaddy]

Hahahahahahaha

You did on post no. 43.

yeah I found it later

 

[nataliesdaddy]

FYI one definition of selfish, taken from dictionary.net is:

Selfish \Self"ish\, a.

1. Caring supremely or unduly for one's self; regarding one's own comfort, advantage, etc., in disregard, or at the expense, of those of others. [1913 Webster]

If would appear that in this case, while maybe unintentional, you were primary thinking of benefiting your family wihout considering the effect on others.

correct - mainly concerning the benefit of my daughter.... which by default would mean by the very definition you posted that the behavior is/was not selfish..... because it says "supremely, unduly for one's self" when it is not myself I am doing this all for. That is why I asked if people found it rude or impolite. I can readily accept rude, and I can readily accept unfair as some people posted. Selfish though...whenever people go down that road whether with me or describing pretty much anyone I know I don't accept it. Its horse hockey. There's a bunch of other judgement calls that I just discount out of hand also as they have become meaningless or nonsensensical. Selfish is one of those words in the lexicon that I find increasingly meaningless.

 

[laurabelle]

Wow, I can't believe how this thread has grown overnight! I guess what surprises me even more is a Moderator posted to it on page 4 (and I was silently cheering - yeah, here's where this thread that's going nowhere fast gets closed) only to find it's grown by 3 more pages. I'm sticking by my reponse on page 1, ala Jiminy Cricket - let your conscience be your guide.

Moderators, somebody, let's close this thread and move on... please!?!

 

[notnothin]

I first booked my trip one way - then another way - Then I booked PS's - then I booked them another way -

Now I have PS's through the wazoo some 25 or so - I canceled duplicates that you have to pay for so there is only one Fantasmic package, one 1900 Park Fare etc, one spirit of Aloha... etc. But for others I noticed that if we should decide to go to a different park then I have PS's at different parks on the same day... So if we change plans we still have good PS's

So question is - is this just a good planning technique? or do you think it rude?

Yes this is rude to do this. Also, if you're going to get defensive every time (and there are a lot of them) someone tells you this is rude, then don't ask the question on the boards. Plain and simple this is rude and doesn't show respect towards others. You can try to argue it all you want, but it won't cease to be true. Not trying to be harsh, but you asked for opinions, and opinions you have received.

 

[SnackyStacky]

There thread has gone to page 7 of nowhere.

And it got there REALLY fast!

It's closed now.