Is Brazil closed?

[DianeV]

I'm sorry but it sounds like a typical Disney Excecutive Office blow off..there are MANY posts on this thread that are current. They really just dont want to do anything about it and choose to placate anyone who contacts them

 

[a Really Bad Egg]

I'm sorry but it sounds like a typical Disney Excecutive Office blow off...

...and they know if you really want to go to WDW and July is the only month you can go, then you will, and you will put up with the BTGs.

I see no real solution because they make a ton of money off the BTGs and all of us. Money rules at Disney. The magic (that used to be there) is now just the smokescreen for you to empty your wallet into theirs.

It's magic alright...and I can't figure out how they do it.

 

[marciemi]

Just wanted to update and say that after running into a lot of groups Sat, Sun, and Mon, we haven't seen any yesterday at MGM/BB or today at MK. Either they're heading home now that it's August or we're just picking the right parks to avoid them!

 

[dawgfan]

We usually go in July and have just returned this past Saturday. We encountered these groups. This is the only time we have ever seen them. RUDE is the only common thing I can say that really charecterizes them. This is mostly due to their age I believe. I have usually gone later in July straddling the last week of July and first week of August. Crowds were lighter and not a hint of tour groups. I have never seen one in June either so it must be the two weeks after 7-4-07 that they decend on WDW. They must have handed out passes to Brazil this year.

 

[manning]

The line cutting is the worst...and when you stop them they become very rude! They think if one person is in line the other 99 can just walk to the front to meet them!!! And then they pretend they can't speak English unless they want to ask you for something...Then I pretend I forgot how to speak English too!

I saw this pulled once...to a 350 lb gorilla. He looked at the guy made a fist and asked if he understood and if not he will not be awake to see security take him away after he (gorilla) knocks him cold.

The guy took off in a flash.

 

[manning]

4) On Everest, as I was exiting, about a dozen of them had literally just sat down on the floor of the store where you exit! People were tripping and stumbling all over trying to get around them...a CM was trying to get them to get up.

If I decided to faint there would be a couple of bodies in a world of hurt after I fell on them.

I also make good use of my size 12s

Now if disney got smart and decided they needed to clean up with a water hose.........

 

[Doc CW]

I saw this pulled once...to a 350 lb gorilla. He looked at the guy made a fist and asked if he understood and if not he will not be awake to see security take him away after he (gorilla) knocks him cold.

The guy took off in a flash.

Wow some people really dont like line cutting.

 

[mgilmer]

I saw this pulled once...to a 350 lb gorilla. He looked at the guy made a fist and asked if he understood and if not he will not be awake to see security take him away after he (gorilla) knocks him cold.

The guy took off in a flash.

:

 

[disneymom8589]

Thank you, disneyaggie, for speaking to the WDW representative. Boy, I'm guessing he hasn't been walking through the parks during July otherwise he'd know what we're all talking about!! If he thinks things have improved, then I'd hate to think what it was like before!!

 

[MelanieC]

This is our 3rd trip in the summer and this is the first time the large Brazillian groups have bothered me. We were there this summer 7/13-7/29.

I was pushed by a girl so she could catch up with her friends. About 20 of them pushed and almost trampled me and my son (as well as a few other people) coming out of the pre-show for Test Track. Then they proceeded to cut in front of everyone in line to catch up with thier Tour guide. They were just loud, obnoixious, mean spirited, pushy, except for when two girls spoke perfect English to ask me to take a picture of them.


Oh yeah - almost forgot this one on POTC, there were 2 or three boats full. The CM was saying not to take flash pictures over and over to them. Once they got into the ride there were 3 boats of constant flashes the entire way including 3 girls standing up in the boat almost the entire ride taking pictures. Yep standing. I couldn't believe it. They need video's and CM's inside the rides to take them off the rides when they stand up.

 

[manning]

Let's see of this word is permitted


To WDW executives who read this.

To the point.

If they can't play by the rules "KICK THEM THE HELL OUT !!!!

Do this a couple of times, letting Brazil know what happened they will come back and behave.

WHEN PEOPLE KNOW THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH SOMETHING, THEY WILL DO IT!!!!


PS to add we stayed at a motel outside disney land. A high school group took over the hotel we stayed at. They were to stay there for 5 nights.

The place went up for grabs. I went to the manager to complain the next morning and got the name of the school and location. I asked him to make a phone call to that school now and I will pay for it. We talked to the principal.

That day the buses pulled out fully loaded. The manager said they where headed back home, the trip got called off by the school. The five night stay turned into one. He didn't even charge me for the call.

Now I'm calm

 

[Daxx]

As I promised . . .

The gentleman from WDW Executive Offices called me this morning in response to my concern over the tour groups that take over WDW, causing too much pain for those of us and others who are the more well-mannered guests. In my e-mail, I included the link to this thread, which he said he did read many of our posts.

This gentleman, who I will call “Fred”, said that some of the WDW executives do read the Dis Board, and they obtain ideas from us Dis’ers and are open to suggestions.

Regarding this BTG thread, “Fred” said that it seemed that many of the posts were experiences from the past. He said that WDW is very aware of the issues involving groups and have tried to curb as much pain for other guests as possible. He said that CM’s go into a weekly meeting where they can talk about such issues. The CM’s are also empowered to make sure the rules are obeyed, and yes, if necessary they will remove unruly guests and/or call security.

I shared with him that even though many of these issues posted on this thread were past issues, some were current. He said that he hoped that the guests have seen these issues have been curbed from previous years.

I stated that some of the groups would chant in the middle of performances, disrupting the whole experience for all. He said that whenever they see that type of behavior, CM’s are supposed to go over to the guests and inform them of their disruption, rather if they are talking, chanting, or even having flash photography. He said this is for any guest, not just those in a tour group.

He said that WDW folks have even met with the Brazilian tour leaders to let them know of the rules and regulations. I know . . . they obviously did not pay much attention to what the WDW folks had to say, but apparently “Fred” is under the impression that the BTG’s and others are a bit better than in previous years.

He added that when the WDW executives do read our posts (this thread and others), they do sit up and pay attention. I suggested that if the groups need a more responsible chaperone, how about having it mandatory that the groups pay for a CM to be their personal guide. Therefore, there would be a WDW person ready to act. However, “Fred” did make a good point to that suggestion. He said that then they would have to figure out which groups to have this “rule” and you would have to basically include every group, including magical reunions.

So again, if any of you have any brighter ideas, just e-mail them to WDW executives. At least you can say you tried.

To put it kindly, Fred is full of hot air. There are loads of complaints posted on this thread from the present day and I was one who voiced several myself.

As for the group behaviors improving ... sorry, Fred, but I've been there for 5 consecutive years and the behaviors have gotten worse b/c now larger numbers of groups are coming in. When we started taking DS in July at age 5, there were maybe 2 or 3 groups and that was it. Five years later and there are MORE groups w/more students per group and they've become increasingly obnoxious w/every year. Granted, we weren't in WDW in July last year ... but compared to WDW in July 2005 and July 2007, it has become worse.

Plain and simple, Disney will NEVER ask these groups to leave b/c they are cash cows. And, as for CM's trying to do things ... these groups will continue to play the "Don't speak English" card.

Complain to the tour agency? They're not going to care. They're to busy getting rich off of these Disney trips.

 

[Daxx]

Let's see of this word is permitted


To WDW executives who read this.

To the point.

If they can't play by the rules "KICK THEM THE HELL OUT !!!!

Do this a couple of times, letting Brazil know what happened they will come back and behave.

WHEN PEOPLE KNOW THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH SOMETHING, THEY WILL DO IT!!!!


PS to add we stayed at a motel outside disney land. A high school group took over the hotel we stayed at. They were to stay there for 5 nights.

The place went up for grabs. I went to the manager to complain the next morning and got the name of the school and location. I asked him to make a phone call to that school now and I will pay for it. We talked to the principal.

That day the buses pulled out fully loaded. The manager said they where headed back home, the trip got called off by the school. The five night stay turned into one. He didn't even charge me for the call.

Now I'm calm

The difference is that the SCHOOL yanked the kids ... the motel didn't kick them out. Also, the school isn't making money on the field trip and can yank kids if necessary. You can bet that the motel manager was happy b/c he had the money for the rooms in advance and didn't have the problems. Plus, it was one group of kids. Not 10 to 15 groups of 100 plus people that the BTG's have. And there is no way on earth that the BTG's are going to send their entire group home. Not going to happen!!!! It's not like they can get on a bus and turn around to head home! The motel's not going to get their name smeared across the news b/c they didn't kick the group out. If WDW kicked out the BTG's, that's going to make the news and it'll be huge. The BTG's will cry discrimination and it'll be a bigger mess than Disney wants to deal with.

Disney's not about to kick out a BTG b/c they bring loads of cash into the park. Disney's going to make them as happy as possible b/c they want the return $$ for years to come. Would they pull their park pass? Maybe -- but that only leads to the kid(s) wreaking havoc on the resort or DTD. Do others have to suffer in the long run for the BTG's? Probably. And, as usual, our complaints aren't going to matter when far more money is invested in WDW by these BTG's compared to the average family. Also, the BTG's help out the "down time" at WDW when they come in the winter.

I know that the moderates were loaded w/BTG's. If the BTG's didn't come, there's no way Disney would fill those moderate resorts and would lose out on a lot of revenue. They TOTALLY rely on BTG's.

As another poster said, if July is the only time you can go, you're gonna go and have to put up w/the BTG's. Disney doesn't care ... just as long as they're getting the money!!!!

Needless to say, BTG's = $$$ for Disney. Bottom line is how much money Disney can bring in.

 

[mickaholic4077]

Unfortunately,what's going to have to happen is for one of the BTG's to actually severly injure or kill someone for them to clean up their acts.

 

[gottaluvdisney]

I have been there when the tour groups from Brazil have been there and when large US school groups are there. Most of them teenagers in both groups and I think they are equal. There are a few states that I have narrowed down to be the worst, however, I will not bring that into this discriminatory discussion on Brazil.

So, remember if anyone sends their teenagers to Disney with their dance group or cheerleading group - I think they act pretty similar.

In regards to waiting in line, it happened this summer when a group tried to cut in line - It must have been the group leader was trying to cut - my 70yr old dad said NO. The man said..."no speak English." My dad replied "no speak Spanish - NO!". The man went to the end of the line. We are used to people trying to cut in line - My mom has always said - "act BIG". We spread out and take up all the room across the line - especially for a ride like Pirates of the Caribbean that is so wide of an area. You just have to take it upon yourself and "police" your own space/time.

 

[bigtinkfun]

japajsm: Well, my DH and I were at Disney from 07/23-07/28 and the Brazilians were everywhere. This was the first and last time that we will go at this time of the year! I do have to say that there were a couple of groups that were better behaved than others. The worse groups were the ones from Tia Iara (sp) tour group.

I first encountered them Friday night at Walmart and they were down right awful. They blocked the aisles and would not move for anyone, they were loud, and several of them were running with the carriages and jumping onto them and riding across the store.

On Sunday night, there was a group (or groups) of them at Downtown Disney - you couldn't move in the store. They were rude pushing, shoving, yelling, etc. They were buying like crazy, so I doubt that Disney will do anything about them.

Everywhere that we went from Blizzard Beach, MGM, Epcot, to Animal Kingdom -they were there too. I know that they have a right to be there too, but I think that the chaperones need to have better control over them. Then again, maybe the chaperones need to be told how their group should act - no chanting, pushing, cutting lines, etc. Can you imagine if we all decided to start chanting while waiting in line, walking down the street, etc?
Maybe that would work! Maybe if everytime there was an obnoxious BTG making everyone miserable, all the other guests just started chanting, "Brazilians Go Home!" over and over, everywhere they went, they'd learn some manners. Even if there was a large number of them, they wouldn't be able to drown out the rest of the guests. And if it happened everywhere they went and misbehaved, they'd have a miserable time.

 

[disneyaggie]

It must have been the group leader was trying to cut - my 70yr old dad said NO. The man said..."no speak English." My dad replied "no speak Spanish - NO!".

Priceless!

 

[johnnyr]

So here we are in August. Are they gone?

 

[livndisney]

I was in Sea World Thursday,MK yesterday and Epcot today and did not see them.

 

[NeverEnufWDW]

You all sound like a bunch of typical whining American xenophobes. You think groups of American kids at theme parks act any differently ? Time to get off your collective high horses and deal with it. Is it any wonder people in the rest of the world hate Americans with a passion ?