Is anyone following the Karen Read trial?

[Simba's Mom]

Thanks so much for bringing this up! I hadn't even heard about this, probably because I don't live in Massachusetts currently. However, I lived there for the first 40 years of my life and always like to follow the news. We don't subscribe to Max, but maybe I can find it somewhere else.

 

[HeatherC]

I don’t know everything about the case, but I’ve been watching a good part of this trial and have seen some info on the previous trial…. And I realize I’m in the minority on this one, but I would lean guilty of a lesser charge than M2 -she’ll never be charged for that and not sure why the state would have ever pursued that but they do it for a living not me. I look at it this way, much of the reasonable doubt fantasy being built by the defense isn’t fact based …I mean, if you’re(general) a person that believes all police are crooked than you’ve got all you need. Do you live in a cold climate? It’s very reasonable to understand that after a blizzard, shards of glass from an accident will be discovered after snow melts. They got rid of the dog…. yes, they got rid of the dog 3-months later because it attacked a neighbors dog and had no choice but rehome it. She broke the taillight backing into John’s car… that’s pretty far fetched if you ask me. First of all the bump was at such low impact that her bumper would would have hit his car -NOT the taillight, but then you have to believe that the cops went and picked up the pieces and transported them to the scene of the hit and run. The likelihood of that scenario is less than that of her just actually ramming the guy and leaving him in the snow to die. Her attorney is obviously building a great case of avoiding the reality that sits right in front of us. OJ didn’t kill Nicole either…..this defense is in the same league!

I guess I just can’t see how the prosecution has proven anything to even convict her of a lesser charge. Just this past Friday, they pulled out a shoe from a ripped evidence bag that wasn’t even the right shoe. This time they also showed his jeans which in last years trial did not have a huge rip by the pocket. The ones they showed this time did.
How do we even know they are the right shoes and jeans? To me, this creates doubt about the chain of custody with the evidence.

There have been so many screwups that I honestly don’t think the prosecution has “proven” anything at all. That doesn’t mean she didn’t do something. I just feel like there is literally no proof of anything convict her on. I fully, realize, however, I am not in the court room and jurors may be seeing things a lot of us aren’t. It is certainly a crazy case for sure.

 

[GAN]

I guess I just can’t see how the prosecution has proven anything to even convict her of a lesser charge. Just this past Friday, they pulled out a shoe from a ripped evidence bag that wasn’t even the right shoe. This time they also showed his jeans which in last years trial did not have a huge rip by the pocket. The ones they showed this time did.
How do we even know they are the right shoes and jeans? To me, this creates doubt about the chain of custody with the evidence.

There have been so many screwups that I honestly don’t think the prosecution has “proven” anything at all. That doesn’t mean she didn’t do something. I just feel like there is literally no proof of anything convict her on. I fully, realize, however, I am not in the court room and jurors may be seeing things a lot of us aren’t. It is certainly a crazy case for sure.

Well… there is that dead guy on the lawn laying close by to where she would have turned her car around not to mention damage to her vehicle. So whose jeans and shoes would they be? I must have missed that part -I would think the prosecution could easily rebut that claim…. They didn’t?

 

[HeatherC]

Well… there is that dead guy on the lawn laying close by to where she would have turned her car around not to mention damage to her vehicle. So whose jeans and shoes would they be? I must have missed that part -I would think the prosecution could easily rebut that claim…. They didn’t?

I agree there was a dead body on the lawn. They just haven’t proved she was the one responsible for it. The shoe incident just happened on May 8. When it did the judge jumped up out of her seat and stopped the proceedings right away. It was a huge mess up for the prosecution. It also leaves you wondering how evidence was handled. Who presents the wrong evidence at a high profile murder trial? And why were the jeans ripped by the pocket this year and not at the last trial? It is like a bad tv movie.

The whole thing is very sad because the family of a John O’Keefe will probably never know what truly happened. At this point, with all the reasonable doubt, even is she is convicted of a lesser charge it still doesn’t give them concrete answers.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I agree there was a dead body on the lawn. They just haven’t proved she was the one responsible for it. The shoe incident just happened on May 8. When it did the judge jumped up out of her seat and stopped the proceedings right away. It was a huge mess up for the prosecution. It also leaves you wondering how evidence was handled. Who presents the wrong evidence at a high profile murder trial? And why were the jeans ripped by the pocket this year and not at the last trial? It is like a bad tv movie.

The whole thing is very sad because the family of a John O’Keefe will probably never know what truly happened. At this point, with all the reasonable doubt, even is she is convicted of a lesser charge it still doesn’t give them concrete answers.

Well, I think that the O'Keefe family believes that they know what happened. I think they've probably convinced themselves that she not only hit and killed him, but did so knowingly....with intent. That last part is really ridiculous to me. However, I think they believe she hit him, and I'm not entirely convinced that she didn't. I'm just not sure I could vote to convict her on anything other than DUI at this point....based on all of the rest of the nonsense with the Alberts, Higgins and the police investigation. The defense is doing a good job thus far of throwing a lot of reasonable doubt into the mix.

 

[GAN]

Well, I think that the O'Keefe family believes that they know what happened. I think they've probably convinced themselves that she not only hit and killed him, but did so knowingly....with intent. That last part is really ridiculous to me. However, I think they believe she hit him, and I'm not entirely convinced that she didn't. I'm just not sure I could vote to convict her on anything other than DUI at this point....based on all of the rest of the nonsense with the Alberts, Higgins and the police investigation. The defense is doing a good job thus far of throwing a lot of reasonable doubt into the mix.

I agree. The family absolutely knows her better than the jury -unfortunately, as far as I can tell the state hasn’t attempted to paint what might be a more accurate portrait of her.

 

[Weedy]

So many things:
The house where John O’Keefe was killed belonged to a fellow police officer.
John was injured/dead on the front lawn and not one police officer went into the house to check to see if everyone was ok. Even after Jennifer McCaib (sister was the homeowner)called twice and didn’t get an answer.
The police collected the blood evidence in red solo cups and put in it a stop and shop paper bag.
Ring doorbell footage from John’s house went missing after the police collected it. Police say Karen deleted it.
There is video evidence missing from a city camera (library) that would show Karen’s taillights that went missing.
They never checked neighbors ring doorbells of John’s neighbors.
When the police impounded Karen’s car and took it to be checked out they went past two other impound lots to take it to the one they had connections with.
When they showed this video in the first trial it came out the video was a mirrored image of the car.
Brian Higgins (the guy Karen was texting) got a new phone a few days ago before his was subpoenaed and took the old one, took out the sim card took the phone and threw it away at a military base. Threw the phone out in one place and the sim card in another.

 

[GAN]

So many things:
The house where John O’Keefe was killed belonged to a fellow police officer.
John was injured/dead on the front lawn and not one police officer went into the house to check to see if everyone was ok. Even after Jennifer McCaib (sister was the homeowner)called twice and didn’t get an answer.
The police collected the blood evidence in red solo cups and put in it a stop and shop paper bag.
Ring doorbell footage from John’s house went missing after the police collected it. Police say Karen deleted it.
There is video evidence missing from a city camera (library) that would show Karen’s taillights that went missing.
They never checked neighbors ring doorbells of John’s neighbors.
When the police impounded Karen’s car and took it to be checked out they went past two other impound lots to take it to the one they had connections with.
When they showed this video in the first trial it came out the video was a mirrored image of the car.
Brian Higgins (the guy Karen was texting) got a new phone a few days ago before his was subpoenaed and took the old one, took out the sim card took the phone and threw it away at a military base. Threw the phone out in one place and the sim card in another.

There are more holes in your comment than in the State’s case . Keep watching… Karen’s defense is disintegrating as I type

 

[dvcgirl67]

So many things:
The house where John O’Keefe was killed belonged to a fellow police officer.
John was injured/dead on the front lawn and not one police officer went into the house to check to see if everyone was ok. Even after Jennifer McCaib (sister was the homeowner)called twice and didn’t get an answer.
The police collected the blood evidence in red solo cups and put in it a stop and shop paper bag.
Ring doorbell footage from John’s house went missing after the police collected it. Police say Karen deleted it.
There is video evidence missing from a city camera (library) that would show Karen’s taillights that went missing.
They never checked neighbors ring doorbells of John’s neighbors.
When the police impounded Karen’s car and took it to be checked out they went past two other impound lots to take it to the one they had connections with.
When they showed this video in the first trial it came out the video was a mirrored image of the car.
Brian Higgins (the guy Karen was texting) got a new phone a few days ago before his was subpoenaed and took the old one, took out the sim card took the phone and threw it away at a military base. Threw the phone out in one place and the sim card in another.

The home right across the street from where this happened had a camera....also owned by cop, a Canton police officer was not checked. The Canton cop who testified, Gallagher was his name, said he didn't bother looking at any video from that house as he knew that it wouldn't have picked anything up....because he said he'd picked up packages off the front porch for this guy when he was away. That's super fishy to me too.

Agree that it's just super "off" that nobody from inside that house came out to help when there was such a commotion on that front lawn. Unless the entire household was blackout drunk....and the dog slept through it too? Very strange.