Is Al Gore a traitor or has he simply lost his mind?

[Puffy2]

Dawn, Here is a link to an article with real traitors - the US politicans who are allowing this to happen:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2002800202_ports12.html


Arab firm may run 6 U.S. portsBy TED BRIDIS

The Associated Press

ALEX WONG / GETTY IMAGES
WASHINGTON — A company in the United Arab Emirates is poised to take over significant operations at six U.S. ports as part of a corporate sale, leaving a country with ties to the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers with influence over a maritime industry considered vulnerable to terrorism.

The Bush administration considers the UAE an important ally in the fight against terrorism since the suicide hijackings and is not objecting to Dubai Ports World's (DP World) purchase of London-based Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation.

The $6.8 billion sale is expected to be approved Monday. The British company is the fourth-largest ports company in the world and its sale would affect commercial U.S. port operations in New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami and Philadelphia.

DP World said it won approval from a secretive U.S. government panel that considers security risks of foreign companies buying or investing in U.S. industry.

The U.S. Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States "thoroughly reviewed the potential transaction and ... had no objection," the company said.

The committee earlier agreed to consider concerns about the deal as expressed by Miami-based Eller & Co., according to Eller's lawyer, Michael Kreitzer. Eller is a business partner with the British shipping giant but was not in the running to buy the ports company.

The committee includes representatives from the departments of Treasury, Defense, Justice, Commerce, State and Homeland Security.

The State Department describes the UAE as a vital partner in the fight against terrorism.

But the UAE, a loose federation of seven emirates on the Saudi peninsula, was an important operational and financial base for the hijackers who flew two 757 and two 767 jetliners into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania, killing nearly 3,000 Americans in the nation's deadliest terrorist attack, the FBI concluded.

Last month, the White House appointed a senior DP World executive, David Sanborn of Virginia, as new administrator of the Maritime Administration of the Transportation Department. Sanborn worked as DP World's director of operations for Europe and Latin America.




Critics of the proposed purchase said a port operator complicit in smuggling or terrorism could manipulate manifests and other records to frustrate Homeland Security's limited scrutiny of shipping containers and slip contraband past U.S. Customs inspectors.

"When you have a foreign government involved, you are injecting foreign national interests," Kreitzer said. "A country that may be a friend of ours today may not be on the same side tomorrow. You don't know in advance what the politics of that country will be in the future."

Shipping experts pointed to DP World's economic interest in operating ports securely and efficiently.

"Does this pose a national-security risk? I think that's pushing the envelope," said Stephen Flynn, who studies maritime security at the Council on Foreign Relations."

 

[Caradana]

We are engaged in the war against terrorism in which Iraq and Afghanistan are the battles. DH is being deployed to Iraq this week. Al Gore's rhetoric is NOT HELPFUL.

I can appreciate that your husband got deployed this week and you are thus feeling quite inflamed on the issue ...
that being said, your husband is over there fighting (in part) for our right to say whatever we want, wherever we want. Al Gore is demonstrating one of the things we find truly beautiful about this country, and that is, we don't always have to agree with its leaders. You said that kind of thing in Iraq, you got beheaded.
God bless language that is "not helpful", because it's that kind of anti-governmental rhetoric that once led a group of arch-devoted patriots to write a decree that said, and I paraphrase, "Kiss Off to Our Home Country and Their Fumbling Government." Your husband wears the flag of those "not helpful" patriots, and we've forgiven England. Certainly you can find it somewhere in your heart to forgive Al G. for disagreeing with your principles.

 

[Mickeycrazy]

Gore told the largely Saudi audience, many of them educated at U.S. universities, that Arabs in the United States had been "indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges of overstaying a visa or not having a green card in proper order, and held in conditions that were just unforgivable."

Exactly what are the conditions that are unforgiveable? He is not talking about detainees from the War on Terror, i.e. Gitmo or Abu Garab, he's talking about people pulled in during INS sweeps (we've done them for years) and held, mostly, by local authorities.

We are currently seeing mass riots, murders, arson, etc..., over cartoons. Telling a Muslim audience (including AL Jezeera broadcasts) that we are keeping Muslims in "unforgiveable conditions", is inviting problems.

I agree with the original thread author, I think Mr. Gore has come a bit unhinged. This is not the only example.

 

[dcentity2000]

Just to clarify:

"Traitor"
n 1: someone who betrays his country by committing treason [syn: treasonist] 2: a person who says one thing and does another [syn: double-crosser, double-dealer, two-timer, betrayer]

"Treason"
Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.

Treason has a long and complicated history - the obvious example is Guy Fawkes who attempted to blow up the Houses of Parliament many hundred years ago with gunpowder. He was stopped in the nick of time by Royal Guards and was, um, *punished*.

Dare we compare a critique of one's own country to an attempt to blow it to smithereens?

Remember, remember, the 5th of November,
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason that gunpowder treason
Should ever be ever forgot.



Rich::

 

[CEDmom]

It is highly inappropriate for a former U.S Senator, a former Vice President and a former presidential candidate to be on foreign soil, attacking US foreign policy, blaming it on the current administration in his hysterical tone, while we are at war!.

Herein lies the difference between opinion and fact . As an American he has the most basic right to say just about anything he wants to. It's HIS opinion.

My opinion is that he's neither a traitor or a victim of mental illness.

Your DH chose to serve his country. I commend him for that and I can only imagine the stress your family is under. However, that doesn't supercede Al Gore's right to speak as he did.

 

[Laura]

Exactly what are the conditions that are unforgiveable? He is not talking about detainees from the War on Terror, i.e. Gitmo or Abu Garab, he's talking about people pulled in during INS sweeps (we've done them for years) and held, mostly, by local authorities.

I agree with the original thread author, I think Mr. Gore has come a bit unhinged. This is not the only example.

Well, you can think whatever you like about Gore's sanity. That's a matter of opinion, of course. But is he a traitor? I don't think so.

 

[MAKmom]

I tried the other link & it just said V.P Cheney Shot man while hunting. I did not see the other story.

 

[dcentity2000]

Well, you can think whatever you like about Gore's sanity. That's a matter of opinion, of course.

Well... is it? Insanity (the infirm of mind) is an umbrella term for a batch of illnesses ranging from x to y. Most illnesses have a criteria that must be met which means that specific proof must be offered that Al Gore is indeed ill.

This area is not one to be joked on lightly.



Rich::

 

[Planogirl]

I like Al Gore. If the Florida count hadn't been so "interesting" he could have been our President and we could have avoided all of this mess. It's too bad.

As for being a traitor, ummm no. He didn't sound "hysterical" either but quite calm. He was almost always the calm type though.

 

[Mickeycrazy]

Well... is it? Insanity (the infirm of mind) is an umbrella term for a batch of illnesses ranging from x to y. Most illnesses have a criteria that must be met which means that specific proof must be offered that Al Gore is indeed ill.

This area is not one to be joked on lightly.



Rich::

For the record, I said he has become a bit unhinged, and I stand by my assertion. That said, I don't believe his comments rise to the level of treason, just very poor judgement.

 

[dcentity2000]

For the record, I said he has become a bit unhinged, and I stand by my assertion.

Oh indeed, that may well be the case. I can't possibly judge having heard nothing about him for years.



Rich::

 

[Planogirl]

Oh indeed, that may well be the case. I can't possibly judge having heard nothing about him for years.



Rich::

He is said to be unhinged since he freely criticizes the administration. At least that's all I've heard based on the other side's comments.

 

[DawnCt1]

I can appreciate that your husband got deployed this week and you are thus feeling quite inflamed on the issue ...
that being said, your husband is over there fighting (in part) for our right to say whatever we want, wherever we want. Al Gore is demonstrating one of the things we find truly beautiful about this country, and that is, we don't always have to agree with its leaders. You said that kind of thing in Iraq, you got beheaded.
.

No one is disputing that Al Gore has every right to say whatever he wants, whenever he wants. One however can question his judgement and his sanity, of which for sometime, has been very much in question. Its tantamount to throwing gasoline on the flames that have already ignited over CARTOONS! I have no doubt that Al Jazeera will be airing Al's speech. He is playing into their hands and for that, he should be ashamed.

 

[DawnCt1]

I like Al Gore. If the Florida count hadn't been so "interesting" he could have been our President and we could have avoided all of this mess. It's too bad.

As for being a traitor, ummm no. He didn't sound "hysterical" either but quite calm. He was almost always the calm type though.

Al Gore as president. Now that is a scary thought. I don't even think his own party would consider that ever again. In the last couple of years, he has sounded anything but calm. Shrill is the word that would describe him.

 

[LakeAriel]

CHENEY SHOOTS PAL; BIRD'S FINE ;D

 

[Mickeycrazy]

He is said to be unhinged since he freely criticizes the administration. At least that's all I've heard based on the other side's comments.

In my opinion, its not the criticism, its the delivery. He lately has a tendency to become a bit "passionate" during his speaking engagements, coming off a bit extreme.

Here's an article by Barbra Comstock in National Review Online, that describes a speaking engagement that illustrates my point.

Al Gore is proving to be the most irrelevant, comically absurd former vice president since Spiro Agnew. This blustering Saturday Night Live caricature is no longer a serious political figure. At a MoveOn.org event yesterday, Gore — in wild-eyed, Howard Dean-like fashion — screamed out the names of most of the Bush-administration defense and national-security leadership (including the Clinton/Gore CIA director) and demanded their resignation in the middle of the war on terror. Columnist Charles Krauthammer observed, "Looks as if Al Gore has gone off his lithium again." The speech, long on invective and short on facts, was an endorsement of a policy of appeasement, retreat, and good old blame-America-first extremism.

 

[DawnCt1]

Lets keep in mind that Al Gore is standing up in front of the Saudi's who provided 19 of the hijackers on Sept. 11,2006. He was paid thousands of dollars to give that speech. He can't back up those comments and its the height of irresponsibility.

 

[dcentity2000]

Al Gore as president. Now that is a scary thought.

That's right kids! Halloween day is every day in the Whitehouse!



Rich::

 

[DawnCt1]

Well knock me over with a feather! Lanny Davis of the Clinton Administration agrees that it was terrible judgement on Al Gore's part to make this speech as a former vice president where and when he did!

 

[dcentity2000]

its the height of irresponsibility.

Rich::