Iran develops nuclear weapons. What, me worry?

[Charade]

Oh Steve....
I don't even know where to begin, so I won't even try.

Good move. Some of us have less self control.

 

[SteveInBrooklyn]

This "hope" and "change" way of viewing the barbarians who want to kill us......it is a subtle thing......

Smells like rainbows and unicorns to me.......

/s

I don't think Iran wants to attack us, do you?

 

[Humphrey Bear]

What is important is not just what we believe, but what Ahmadinejad believes. There are many quotes from him about hastening the return of the the Māhdī, the ultimate savior of humankind. The 12th Imam. This is about hastening the end of the world.

Here is one article that describes this:

Will the 12th Imam cause war with Iran?


By Con Coughlin
Last Updated: 5:27AM GMT 08 Jan 2009

Comments 83 | Comment on this article



Not since the prime minister of the tiny Caribbean island of Grenada presented an address claiming that UFOs posed a mortal threat to the future of mankind has the United Nations been treated to such a bizarre spectacle.

Many people believe the greatest threat to world peace concerns Iran's nuclear programme, so there was understandably great interest at this week's general assembly in New York when the country's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, took the platform.

But instead of seeking to reassure delegates that Iran's nuclear intentions were purely benign, Mr Ahmadinejad took advantage of his official visit to a country deemed – in the lexicon of the Iranian Revolution – "the Great Satan" to embark on a discourse about the wonders of the 12th Imam.

For those unacquainted with the more obscure tenets of Islamic theology, the 12th Imam is held by devout Shi'ite Muslims to be a direct descendant of the Prophet Mohammed who went into "occlusion" in the ninth century at the age of five and hasn't been seen since.

The Hidden Imam, as he is also known by his followers, will only return after a period of cosmic chaos, war and bloodshed – what Christians call the Apocalypse – and then lead the world into an era of universal peace.

Rumours abound of Mr Ahmadinejad's devotion to the 12th Imam, and last year it was reported that he had persuaded his cabinet to sign a "contract" pledging themselves to work for his return.

Another example of his messianic tendencies surfaced after 108 people were killed in an aircraft crash in Teheran. Mr Ahmadinejad praised the victims, saying: "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow."

For many of the hundreds of delegates who attended Mr Ahmadinejad's speech to the UN this week, his discourse on the merits of the 12th Imam finally brought home the reality of the danger his regime poses to world peace.

Rather than allaying concerns about Iran's nuclear ambitions, Mr Ahmadinejad spoke at length about how a Muslim saviour would relieve the world's suffering.

The era of Western predominance was drawing to a close, he said, and would soon be replaced by a "bright future" ushered in by the 12th Imam's return. "Without any doubt, the Promised One, who is the ultimate Saviour, will come. The pleasing aroma of justice will permeate the whole world."

The really alarming aspect is that – if the world's leading intelligence agencies are to be believed – he is seriously attempting to acquire a nuclear weapons arsenal.

Only yesterday, the opposition group that first revealed the existence of Iran's uranium enrichment facility at Natanz claimed that Iran was building a new bomb-proof underground site for developing nuclear weapons.

The National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI) said the regime was near to completing a vast underground chamber that was linked by two tunnels to the existing complex at Natanz, and was protected against aerial attack.

As with so many of the allegations relating to Iran's nuclear activities, the NCRI's claims are impossible to verify, not least because Iran continues to impede UN nuclear inspectors.

And even if, as Mr Ahmadinejad claimed in New York, Iran has no interest in developing nuclear weapons, there is every indication that Teheran is preparing itself for war, not least because the clash with Western civilisation that the Iranian president so obviously desires will hasten, or so he believes, the arrival of the 12th Imam.

Before flying to the US, Mr Ahmadinejad addressed a military parade in Teheran at which he said Iran would retaliate with missile strikes against Western targets in the event of the West launching air strikes to neutralise Iran's nuclear aspirations.

Recent changes to the regime's hierarchy also suggest that the country is now being put on a war footing in anticipation of Western military action. The most significant appointment is that of Mohammed Ali Jaafari as the new head of the Revolutionary Guards.

Mr Ahmadinejad – a former Revolutionary Guards commander – regards the 200,000-strong organisation as the storm troops of the Islamic Revolution and, by appointing Mr Jaafari its new commander this month, he is giving the guards primary responsibility for protecting the country against attack.

Major-General Rahim Safavi, the previous commander, was hardly a soft touch, having masterminded the capture and subsequent release of 15 British service personnel this year.

Mr Safavi, who commanded the guards for 10 years, is understood to have fallen out with Mr Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the country's spiritual leader, after he argued that the guards were too weak to repel an attack from abroad.

Mr Safavi was also criticised within the regime for failing to establish effective supply lines between Teheran and Hizbollah, the Iranian-funded militia in southern Lebanon. A train carrying vital military supplies for Hizbollah from Iran to Syria blew up in mysterious circumstances last May in northern Turkey, severely disrupting Iran's attempts to re-arm Hizbollah following last year's war with Israel.

Mr Jaafari, by contrast, has a proven track record as an effective Revolutionary Guards commander. Regarded in Iranian circles as an ultra-conservative, Mr Jaafari was, until recently, in charge of Iran's anti-American activities in Iraq, and narrowly escaped capture by US forces in January when the Americans seized five guards belonging to the secretive Quds force.

And, unlike his predecessor, Mr Jaafari is bullish about the Revolutionary Guards' capacity to defend Iran from attack. He attracted international attention this year when he boasted that more than 50,000 volunteers were being trained in Iran to carry out "martyrdom-seeking operations" against the West.

Just the kind of carnage Mr Ahmadinejad believes will hasten the arrival of the 12th Imam.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3642984/Will-the-12th-Imam-cause-war-with-Iran.html

 

[Cool-Beans]

What'll happen if Iran develops nuclear weapons? I think nothing will happen. They will never be launched. Iran has nothing to gain and EVERYTHING to lose. Let 'em have nukes. No big deal.

Thank you.

I got some very bad news recently and needed that. I've been working so hard on being gracious and NOT being snippy with family and friends that I've become a little tense and am not appreciating humor the last few days.

Then I read that. Broke my tense, pissed-off, sullen mood.

You are possibly the funniest person on the DIS these days.

 

[WhereOWhere]

Some people take this forum way too seriously (and not you OP).

Although, there is a reason that people that have nukes, don't use them. Also, where are all the nukes the terrorists stole from Russia? How many years have they been trying to scare us that any day a bomb is going to go off from stolen Russian nukes. This isn't Hollywood, people aren't just handing out nukes in suitcases on the corners. How long are people going to live in fear?

Our enemies aren't always who the government tells us they are.

 

[yeartolate]

What is important is not just what we believe, but what Ahmadinejad believes. There are many quotes from him about hastening the return of the the Māhdī, the ultimate savior of humankind. The 12th Imam. This is about hastening the end of the world.

Here is one article that describes this:

Imams scare me. Apparently when they ask for a seatbelt extender it is a terrorist threat.

 

[Humphrey Bear]

Imams scare me. Apparently when they ask for a seatbelt extender it is a terrorist threat.

Just a wee bit of a difference between an Imam and the 12th Imam.

I'm just sayin'.

 

[CowboyCO]

You're OK with a far right-wing, terrorist state who has publicly announced that they want to wipe Israel off the map, who has kidnapped innocent Americans, who hates diversity, who hates gays, who demeans women with having nuclear weapons.

But, if I remember from other posts, you have issues with law abiding Americans owning a firearm?

Wow.

Not only are some people drinking the Koolade, but they're spiking it with some pretty strong stuff.

This is the post of the day. TOOO FUNNY!

 

[need_a_Disney_fix]

Mr. Stevie in Brooklyn, what planet do you live on? Holy crap on a cracker what exactly makes you tick? If you are serious (I have my doubts) you need professional help.

 

[yeartolate]

Just a wee bit of a difference between an Imam and the 12th Imam.

I'm just sayin'.

Awww come on....I have it from striaght from the DISers keyboards that an Imam asking for a seatbelt xtender is a major terrorist threat.....

 

[Humphrey Bear]

Awww come on....I have it from striaght from the DISers keyboards that an Imam asking for a seatbelt xtender is a major terrorist threat.....

I get the point about people saying all Muslims are terrorists. It is just that the Māhdī is a biblical person, not a live Imam. He is the the promised Mahdi, a messianic figure who will return with Christ. He will reestablish the rightful governance of Islam and replete the earth with justice and peace. that will return at the end of the world.


This is end of the world stuff that may seem far fetched to us, but is very real if you read the actual words of Ahmadinejad.

 

[yeartolate]

I get the point about people saying all Muslims are terrorists. It is just that the Māhdī is a biblical person, not a live Imam. He is the the promised Mahdi, a messianic figure who will return with Christ. He will reestablish the rightful governance of Islam and replete the earth with justice and peace. that will return at the end of the world.


This is end of the world stuff that may seem far fetched to us, but is very real if you read the actual words of Ahmadinejad.

Far fetched, naw.....we have Christians that seem more than satisfied to do their part for end times....

 

[wonderlanne]

What'll happen if Iran develops nuclear weapons? I think nothing will happen. They will never be launched. Iran has nothing to gain and EVERYTHING to lose. Let 'em have nukes. No big deal.

why develop them if there isn't an intent to use them? school science project?

 

[Humphrey Bear]

Far fetched, naw.....we have Christians that seem more than satisfied to do their part for end times....

Agreed. There are nuts on both sides. The problem is he is as nutty as a fruitcake and will have nuclear weapons at his disposal.

Of course just because he believes in all this does not mean everyone in his government believes it. I hope the sane ones will prevail.

 

[DisneyMomOK]

I worry about the use of a nuke to create an EMP (electromagnetic pulse). Iran seems to be expending a lot of effort in that direction. I know some people discount the possibility of that as a credible threat, but I have read a lot of information which makes it a disconcerting possibility with our grids so inter-laced.

 

[challer]

We have seen suicide bombers & suicide terrorists come in the forms of men, women, children, groups, airplanes, construction vehicles... would is be such a stretch to have a suicide nation? Especially since Iran funds the families of suicide bombers in Gaza better than they care for their own people, and Iran's right and left arms - Hizbullah & Hamas - have clearly shown they'd sacrifice themselves and every Arab around them for the sake of killing Israelis.

"Suicide bomber nation." Hmm, somewhere is hell Arafat is saying, "Brilliant!"

 

[RNMOM]

I find it kinda amazing that we as a nation get up in arms about other countries doing the very same thing we do. I agree it makes me uncomfortable that Iran has done this but when the USA decides to lead the world and step down all our nuclear weapons, I will feel we can ask other nations to do the same.

 

[rie'smom]

I find it kinda amazing that we as a nation get up in arms about other countries doing the very same thing we do. I agree it makes me uncomfortable that Iran has done this but when the USA decides to lead the world and step down all our nuclear weapons, I will feel we can ask other nations to do the same.

The difference is that in our country, the potus isn't usually a maniac. We might not all like the guys who've held the office but they have a level head.
In Iran, it's the craziest, most hate spewing, anti everyone who isn't an Iranian Shi'a who leads the country. You, me, and all people who don't believe as they do are fair game.

 

[NYDisGuy]

The difference is that in our country, the potus isn't usually a maniac. We might not all like the guys who've held the office but they have a level head.
In Iran, it's the craziest, most hate spewing, anti everyone who isn't an Iranian Shi'a who leads the country. You, me, and all people who don't believe as they do are fair game.

One person's crazy is another person's normal. What gives us the right to justify "normal" anyway?

 

[rie'smom]

One person's crazy is another person's normal. What gives us the right to justify "normal" anyway?

You're right. I just don't think it's normal to discriminate against women and treat them like second class citizens. I also don't think it's normal to think gay and lesbian people are an abomination. In fact, I think both of those stances are crazy.