Interesting-re FP new rules

[FigNewton]

Well, I got the memo. Several times. It was offered unprompted.

I have no doubts that that is true. I acknowledged the evidence of the practice in my post.

So, if the nurse says come back whenever you like, is the patient supposed to
say...well, are you telling everyone that? Because if you aren't, then that's not
fair and I can't accept your advice.

Excuse me? I don't even know where this is coming from. You are being a little bit defensive here and I certainly didn't attack anyone for using late fast passes.

But what really amazes me is that, even now, the bashers of late FP use still have to post their holier than thou rhetoric....throwing threads off topic and contributing nothing to the discourse. It's not constructive...and after enough people post, I wind up losing my ability to keep my mouth shut and then I, too, become part of the problem (as evidenced with this post).

So.. My "holier than thou rhetoric" made you post huh?

Exactly what did I say that was "holier than thou" because I'm not seeing it. I offered no value judgements to anyone here. I have issues with the way the policy was implemented, yes, but not the people who made use of the policy.

*shrug*

 

[mom2rtk]

You wouldnt think it would have been problematic if 90% of guest used FPs past their return windows? I am just wondering how in support of late FP use people would be if it was used by 9/10 park goers in a given day.

Not likely. Believe it or not, most guests actually want to ride the ride as soon as possible.

 

[mjp12831]

I would ask you this question since I cant seem to get anyone else to answer thus far.

What do you think would have happened if Disney made the FP non enforcement a widely known matter and over 90% of their guests took advantage of it?

That would have been a disaster, no doubt. As I have previously stated, I think that Disney decided, as a matter of convenience to both the guest and themselves, to allow late FP use. This way it eliminated the arguing about being stuck in a slow restaurant or a ride breaking down, etc. I believe that the reason they left the window on the FP ticket was they knew that the vast majority of people would still return within the timed window.

It is pretty much a given that Disney is rolling out X-Pass in some form and there is evidence to suggest that with it comes a greater percentage of ride capacity dedicated to it. For these reasons, I believe, they need to now enforce the windows.

UNC, your question is somewhat rhetorical and extreme, but if 100% of the park guests knew that windows were open, and 100% hoarded FP for later day use, then SB lines would fly because no FP would be mixed in.

An example of this is what happens at PMEMH - FP are gone and what looks like a long SB line actually moves very quickly because no FP people get mixed in.

Yes, I realize that this devalues the FP, however these things work themselves out without intervention (a devalued FP makes it less in demand, therefore more in supply - then you are able to get them and presumbalby if most people are hoarding and you are using then you'll have walk on FP rather than the 15 minute wait FP you have at the popular attractions now), and again your example is extreme.

I also don't think you can randomly assume the percentage of park goers that were in the know about late FP (you assign 10%). From these boards you see plenty of people that acknowledge that they knew about late use but felt like they wanted to use within the window anyways because they didn't want to be rule breakers.

 

[UNCFanatik]

You can throw out all the numbers you want, it doesn't make them realistic.

As I said, of 100% people who KNEW they could use them late, less than a quarter of them used them significantly late.

If for some bizarre reason 90% of guests used them late, well, then you still need to qualify, how late?

If everyone used them 5 minutes late, then it really doesn't matter. It's just shifted everything by 5 minutes. And the standby line gets a 5 minute bonus to boot...

If 90% of guests tried to use them at the end of the day? That's called a "self-limiting problem". They would become unusable, so then no one would use them that way, and therefore it's not a problem again.

The reason people benefited from the previous system is because a relatively few people knew about it.

If it wouldnt have been a problem then why didnt Disney widely promote this or just switch to having no end time on the return window?

 

[UNCFanatik]

Not likely. Believe it or not, most guests actually want to ride the ride as soon as possible.

Most I have heard prefer the flexibility of the old system and believe it or not they would prefer to be able to take a break with their small children and be able to return later at their convenience

 

[doconeill]

The reason people benefited from the previous system is because a relatively few people knew about it.

If it wouldnt have been a problem then why didnt Disney widely promote this or just switch to having no end time on the return window?

All arguments that have been discussed widely on this board ad nauseum and I actually don't feel like rehashing them again right now.

But there is a published study about queueless systems and Fastpass in particular out there, and it mentions why there was a window - and it's not for the reason you think - during testing without the window, too many people were sitting around waiting for their return time because they didn't understand they didn't have to be there right at that time.

 

[mom2rtk]

Most I have heard prefer the flexibility of the old system and believe it or not they would prefer to be able to take a break with their small children and be able to return later at their convenience

.... because the people who preferred to just get on as quickly as possibly weren't affected and therefore not posting here. Only the ones negatively affected actually care. Many people just aren't that great at delayed gratification.

 

[chartle]

Most I have heard prefer the flexibility of the old system and believe it or not they would prefer to be able to take a break with their small children and be able to return later at their convenience

Then why wouldn't they just get a FP later in the day that's good for later in the day.

 

[doconeill]

Most I have heard prefer the flexibility of the old system and believe it or not they would prefer to be able to take a break with their small children and be able to return later at their convenience

Sure...to have the flexibility was great. Doesn't mean they necessarily used them late.

I preferred the flexibility of the old system. Only used one intentionally ONCE, and then it was within an hour.

 

[White_Sox_Fan]

Then why wouldn't they just get a FP later in the day that's good for later in the day.

To get the time you want later in the day you have to be in the park when that time is being distributed. Depending on the attraction, not always possible.

 

[mom2rtk]

To get the time you want later in the day you have to be in the park when that time is being distributed. Depending on the attraction, not always possible.

Nor is it desirable to camp out at the FP machine waiting for an acceptable time to come up.

 

[doconeill]

To get the time you want later in the day you have to be in the park when that time is being distributed. Depending on the attraction, not always possible.

Nor is it desirable to camp out at the FP machine waiting for an acceptable time to come up.

And that's where xPASS comes in...or will come in...maybe...someday...unless it doesn't...

 

[mom2rtk]

And that's where xPASS comes in...or will come in...maybe...someday...unless it doesn't...

Well.......... maybe.

I'd pay for xPass. Not sure what my jumping off point is but I'd probably pay for it. But really more than scheduling rides, I really loved the flexibility of the old system..... the ability to decide on the spur of the moment if we wanted to wait in a long character line or see the afternoon parade again.

 

[White_Sox_Fan]

And that's where xPASS comes in...or will come in...maybe...someday...unless it doesn't...

The problem with X-pass is (or may be, or may not be) scheduling attractions in advance. How will I know X days out if I want to ride X attraction at 7:00pm? I would love to see the ability to pick your FP return time when you are at the machine but I don't think that is going to happen.

 

[aurorae]

Perhaps this will reduce lunch business at the sit down restaraunts.

Having to make a FP window (or having to plan it out well in advance) makes it difficult to have a sit down lunch when you don't know how long that will take.

I think we are already seeing a higher percentage of people do counter service for lunch.

 

[mom2rtk]

The problem with X-pass is (or may be, or may not be) scheduling attractions in advance. How will I know X days out if I want to ride X attraction at 7:00pm? I would love to see the ability to pick your FP return time when you are at the machine but I don't think that is going to happen.

I'd love that too. But I just don't want to have to wait behind other people trying to decide when their group wants to meet up to do Splash. That sounds worse to me than the current arrangement!

 

[chartle]

Perhaps this will reduce lunch business at the sit down restaraunts.

Having to make a FP window (or having to plan it out well in advance) makes it difficult to have a sit down lunch when you don't know how long that will take.

I think we are already seeing a higher percentage of people do counter service for lunch.

There are a couple of reasons why lunch CS has always been busier than lunch TS and I don't think it has to do with FP.

• A lot people want to get their money's worth out of the DDP, so since dinner is usually more expensive they pick a TS for dinner.
  
• Lunch for most people is 12:00 to 1:00 PM, dinner can be anywhere from 4:30 to 7:00 or later so the crowds spread out a bit.

 

[White_Sox_Fan]

I'd love that too. But I just don't want to have to wait behind other people trying to decide when their group wants to meet up to do Splash. That sounds worse to me than the current arrangement!

No doubt about that. Human nature I guess, don't give people too many options or they can't make a decision. Can you imagine the amount of energy it is going to take people to make X-pass reservations (assuming they are what we think they are)?

 

[juncker]

I liked the old rules, but understand that things change. I certainly can live with the new rules too. I'm interested in seeing what X-pass future changes are.

I can live with making ADRs 6 months prior, but please don't require me to use a fastpass to use the bathrooms... Having everything be so completely scheduled takes away some of the Disney magic. I think that most of us will just change our touring behaviors in reaction to the new rules.

 

[CentralFloridian99]

You serious bro? This is awesome, but then again, this is a non-peak time. If it were a peak time TSM FPs would be out at like 11:30 with people not using FP.